RE: Yamaha YZF-R1: PH2 Review

RE: Yamaha YZF-R1: PH2 Review

Monday 23rd February 2015

Yamaha YZF-R1: PH2 Review

First track test for the most eagerly awaited bike of 2015 ... it's good too!



Riding any new bike can be an intimidating experience. However, taking to an unknown damp track with a former GP rider to keep up with, on a Yamaha R1, ranks as one of my most terrifying two-wheeled experiences so far.

When we arrived at Eastern Creek the rain was falling, but after it dried out enough to be deemed safe by the Yamaha staff to unleash us on 200hp bikes we formed up. The instructions were simple enough - follow the lead rider. But here was the problem, I was second in the queue and ahead was Kevin Magee. Yeah, he has a bit of form. Rainey's team mate, serial GP winner and so on. I've not won a GP and what followed was two laps of attempting to man up and keeping Kevin in sight while not binning the bike or holding up the rest of the riders too much. The fact I survived the incident is a hell of a testament to the new R1...

Sophisticated electronics work superbly
Sophisticated electronics work superbly
A MotoGP bike for the (wet) road
Yamaha claim a lot of YZR-M1 influence in the new R1 and it shows. The old R1 felt a bit big and bulbous when you sat on it where this new one immediately feels like a racer. The bars are narrow, the screen tall and sharply angled and aside from the very cool LCD dash, there is a hell of a lot of air and not much else inside that nose cowl - just like a racer. Fire it up and the engine's note has changed; there is still the off-beat crossplane sound, but it now has a slight whine of urgency and a faster pick-up when you blip the throttle. Also, before I rode the bike, a Japanese technician reset a million and one variables and I have to say, he made it look very simple. Shame the track was wet - or was it?

There is a lot to be said for doing your first few laps of a new circuit in the damp as it helps you learn the way while getting a feel for the bike. Despite the R1's power, it also has an extremely impressive electronics package and I was certainly leaning on this due to the conditions. Dropping into downhill wet corners the ABS gave me confidence in the front end to brake hard in a straight line and exiting corners the traction control was also certainly effective. And when the front came up under power the wheelie control (it's not anti-wheelie, it simply controls the rate of the front wheel's acceleration upwards) was also doing its job, albeit with a bit too much keenness. The throttle response was a bit abrupt, but the Japanese chap had it set in quite an aggressive power mode (one of maximum responsiveness) and I didn't want to change anything. Session survived, a bit of dry track was now required to push the pace up. Come on Aussie sun, do your stuff...

200hp and 199kg wet. Feeling brave?
200hp and 199kg wet. Feeling brave?
A MotoGP bike for the (half dry) track
After staring at the clouds and praying for sun, the first afternoon session started with the Yamaha test rider declaring the track now dry and it was game on. Tyre warmers off, we lined up once again and this time the lead rider took off like scalded cat. Another stern talking to inside my helmet and it was knee down at the first corner and riding the R1 far harder than before. Now, where in the wet the chassis felt stiff and a bit uncompromising, it made sense. I'm no racer, but I understand when a chassis wants you to force the bike into bends, compressing the suspension and driving the rubber into the tarmac. The older R1 was a good handling track bike, but ultimately a bit heavy; this new bike could hardly be more different. After the first few tight bends, Eastern Creek opens up into a long uphill fast right that is approached on the brakes down a slope. Here it was a case of throwing the R1 in and trusting the front end, something that Magee ahead did and I just copied. Probably at a slightly slower speed.

On the power again, the traction control giving me the confidence to simply crack it fully open and after a few more bends we were entering a new section of track comprising a series of left/right flicks. Kneedown to kneedown, the R1 felt awesome and required very little effort at all to haul it from side to side. To me it feels more compact than the BMW S1000RR, something that can often get in the way for a gangly person like myself when climbing around the bike. It's been a while since I rode one, but I'd say it feels similar in size to an R6. In fact Yamaha slotted the new R1 motor into an R6 chassis as a test bed so they really must be quite close. Then, just as I was starting to feel like I was riding the bike, Magee's foot was down and he was running wide. I worked out what was happening almost the same instant my visor was hit with a sheet of rain. Back to waiting in the pits then...

R1m tested also - more to follow!
R1m tested also - more to follow!
A MotoGP bike for a dry track
Finally, with the day nearing the end, we got two dry full sessions on the R1. What a bike! A warm track and the R1 allows you to ride to a level that you would never have thought possible. The electronic assists are quite simply amazing and although at first the suspension felt a little stiff, once you increase the pace it all makes sense. This is a bike built to be right at home on track and I honestly don't think I've pushed a bike as hard before. The

crossplane engine doesn't give you the initial rush of acceleration that you get with a conventional in-line four, but its relaxed character makes it very easy to exploit all its power without being intimidated. Do this and it's still bloody fast! The quickshifter works seamlessly and even the dash is crisp and clear. One thing I did notice was that the light that warns you an electronic assist has just saved your bacon is a bit dim, where on the S1000RR it is nice and bright. I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. Good it is less distracting, bad I wasn't 100 per cent sure if any of the assists were assisting! To be honest, while the R1's chassis is outstanding, the main story is the electronics package as it is so effective it encourages you to lean on it. Hit the apex, nail the throttle and hang on.

A new generation of superbike?
Having only ridden about four sessions hard on the R1 (and a further two on the R1M) I feel like I've hardly scratched the surface of what this bike is capable of. The bottom line, however, is that this is a proper effort by Yamaha not some half-arsed response to the S1000RR. It would take a national level racer to accurately split them on track and at the end of the day it would be a fairly pointless exercise for most riders. For a fast group track day rider such as myself, or even a slow group novice, the level of electronic assists on the R1 will make you faster, safer and feel like Rossi. At the end of the day, isn't that what it's all about? Those who have pre-ordered one will be very happy indeed. And yes, the R1M is also pretty special, but more on that later.


YAMAHA YZF-R1
Engine:
998cc inline 4-cyl
Power (hp): 200hp@13,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 82@11,500rpm
Top speed: 186mph (est)
Weight: 199kg (wet)
MPG: 35 (est)
Price: £14,999 (R1M £18,499)

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MarJay

Original Poster:

2,173 posts

176 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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People always used to say that 100bhp was all you need on the road. Having ridden various bikes up to 150bhp, I can't see how it is possible to use the full 200bhp on the road ever. Surely you'd just feel like you couldn't touch the performance of a bike like this if you owned one? I fancy one as a track bike, but I can't see myself enjoying it on the road as much as my Street Triple R.

pennswoodsed

48 posts

207 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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In our infinite wisdom,the USA has no graduated license so , 18yo 130lb with no sense can leave a dealership with this and any other pointless bike. Keeps our ER and undertakers busy so long as money changes hands ,its all good?
Ed

hwajones

775 posts

182 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Can't get excited about this bike...
Not that the figures aren't amazing! It just looks like it's trying too hard...

I'd have my dream fireblade, a speed triple and a Honda 450 enduro in the garage for the price of it...

KTF

9,823 posts

151 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Why is this in General Gassing and not Biker Banter?

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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KTF said:
Why is this in General Gassing and not Biker Banter?
So that non-bikers can make pointless and derogatory comments?

iloveboost

1,531 posts

163 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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pennswoodsed said:
In our infinite wisdom,the USA has no graduated license so , 18yo 130lb with no sense can leave a dealership with this and any other pointless bike. Keeps our ER and undertakers busy so long as money changes hands ,its all good?
Ed
Well it is 'The land of the free, and the home of the brave'. If Obama restricted the licence you'd have the right wing media saying 'it's another stupid left wing plot to MASSIVELY restrict the FREEDOM the founding fathers fought for, and your RIGHT to LIBERTY as an AMERICAN citizen'. biggrin

KTF

9,823 posts

151 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Schnellmann said:
So that non-bikers can make pointless and derogatory comments?
Good job I don't fall into the non-biker camp then wink

J4CKO

41,676 posts

201 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Does seem like total overkill, 200 bhp in a tiny thing like that, having been on a couple of sportsbikes and come back having my perception of performance re-aligned, not sure who needs 200 bhp and where on the road you could open it up fully ?

Are people still gravitating to the fastest bike they can buy ?

Gecko1978

9,757 posts

158 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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I suspect you can't exploit 200 bhp on the road (legally) but you can enjoy the mid range thrust improved handeling and gerneral technology gains etc. Really its not different to BMW M3's in 99 you had 320bhp 5.5 to 60 and 155mph now you have what over 400bhp low 4 second to 60 and well still 155 top end can you use all that on the road no but I bet its a nicer better car than the e39.

Good on Yamaha taking it to BMW and lets hope Suzuki Kawasaki etc do the same in coming years also. While bike are faster electronics have in a sense made them safer so while in 1990 when first firebalde was 114bhp (IIRC) if it had had 200bhp with thoes brakes ties etc no I doubt it would have been ridable but today 200bhp is useable as the author noted the bike helped him on the track.

Leicester Loyal

4,554 posts

123 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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hwajones said:
Can't get excited about this bike...
Not that the figures aren't amazing! It just looks like it's trying too hard...

I'd have my dream fireblade, a speed triple and a Honda 450 enduro in the garage for the price of it...
I agree with this, I could have 3 lovely bikes for the same price of this R1 (not that I could ride it on my restricted 47hp license)

However, saying that, this R1 is a ridiculous piece of kit.

Superhoop

4,680 posts

194 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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J4CKO said:
Does seem like total overkill, 200 bhp in a tiny thing like that, having been on a couple of sportsbikes and come back having my perception of performance re-aligned, not sure who needs 200 bhp and where on the road you could open it up fully ?

Are people still gravitating to the fastest bike they can buy ?
Couldn't exactly the same be said of cars, after all, who needs more than say 75hp? it's adequate for 70mph on the motorway.....

bogie

16,400 posts

273 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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J4CKO said:
Does seem like total overkill, 200 bhp in a tiny thing like that, having been on a couple of sportsbikes and come back having my perception of performance re-aligned, not sure who needs 200 bhp and where on the road you could open it up fully ?

Are people still gravitating to the fastest bike they can buy ?
You could say the same about any supercar too, or pretty much any car with more than a few hundred bhp that does 150mph +

power/speed/performance sells bikes and cars to many so the battle continues to have the fastest....

wtdoom

3,742 posts

209 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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I love the fact that yamaha are back with such a bang ! I love them , I love this bike .
You can keep your 918 , la ferrari and p3 . This is where it's at !

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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bogie said:
You could say the same about any supercar too, or pretty much any car with more than a few hundred bhp that does 150mph +

power/speed/performance sells bikes and cars to many so the battle continues to have the fastest....
Big difference is that supercars are only within the financial reach of a very select few (and even if you have the money you still aren't guaranteed to chance to buy one if you haven't sucked up enough to them in the past). The R1 has most of the performance but is a standard model and costs about the same as a service on a supercar.

wtdoom

3,742 posts

209 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Schnellmann said:
bogie said:
You could say the same about any supercar too, or pretty much any car with more than a few hundred bhp that does 150mph +

power/speed/performance sells bikes and cars to many so the battle continues to have the fastest....
Big difference is that supercars are only within the financial reach of a very select few (and even if you have the money you still aren't guaranteed to chance to buy one if you haven't sucked up enough to them in the past). The R1 has most of the performance but is a standard model and costs about the same as a service on a supercar.
Thats what I love about super bikes . Everyone's equal , there's no tufty
club , no secret handshake or fingers in each other's anus . Just raw , pure , visceral excitement .

wtdoom

3,742 posts

209 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Also there's no slack jawed top gear style nonsense with bike manufacturers . They are all up for a scrap and love comparison tests , they don't go all legal at the first sign of a stop watch .

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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too much power is just about enough. There is no way I could even scratch at the surfaces of what this bike can do, but I'm glad that I could go out and buy it.

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

166 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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wtdoom said:
Also there's no slack jawed top gear style nonsense with bike manufacturers . They are all up for a scrap and love comparison tests , they don't go all legal at the first sign of a stop watch .
That's because bikes are built with the intention they'll use the performance available to them.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

225 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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I really want one of these, or one of the updated RSV4s, this is probably the most interesting Superbike out this year though in fairness.

pigeonskirt

506 posts

140 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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1000 bhp per ton!!! That's insane.