RE: Circle them wagons: PH Blog

RE: Circle them wagons: PH Blog

Sunday 1st March 2015

Circle them wagons: PH Blog

Why C63 wagon beats saloon but still isn't the best AMG hold-all around



Copy filed for the C63 AMG roadtest I set off on day two of the launch event in the C450 AMG Sport estate playing, according to AMG's presentation, Robin to the C63's Batman. No, nor me.

Batman and Robin thing possibly lost in translation
Batman and Robin thing possibly lost in translation
More on the C450 in due course but, as arranged, half way round the route I met up with Henry from Evo and swapped back into the rather lovely C63 S wagon I'd had the previous day. Reflecting on my review I began wondering if I'd downplayed the C63's monstrous pace somewhat. Even coming straight from the 367hp C450 it felt borderline unhinged, the fact I had the car to myself permitting a more, ah, enthusiastic pace.

No secret I love an AMG wagon, my heart very much with the Edition 507 long-termer I handed back with tear stained cheeks. And rear tyres down to the canvas. And to these eyes the new-age '63 works a lot better as an estate. It may be carrying a few extra pounds over the saloon but, frankly, with 510hp and 516lb ft in S trim, who's counting. And I'd swear the open estate cabin acts as a resonator for the exhaust noise, which can only be a good thing.

A chat with AMG's V8 engine man was interesting too. I asked him if his background was oily hands or computer keyboard. He was proud to say it was the former. And what of his colleagues; AMG boasts that around 700 of its circa 1,100 workforce are engineers. But what's the split between mechanical and software experts these days? "Very good question," he winced, before explaining it requires different skills but he enjoys the fact his job involves building physical components the computer whizzes can then configure to their needs.

Dan's family wagon on a slight track diversion
Dan's family wagon on a slight track diversion
A theme picked up by AMG boss Tobias Moers over dinner. Given the variables of adjustable cam timing, boost and fuelling they could make this new M177 engine behave any way they wanted, be a low-end diesel-like slugger or laggy high-rev screamer. Tap-tap-tap on the keyboard - done. But thumping his fist on the table to emphasise the point Moers makes it clear all this tuneability is geared to one result - making the turbo engine feel and sound like the normally aspirated 6.2 of old.

Back to that wagon. Driven harder the engine revealed more about its character. Third gear really covers most bases on a twisty road, the low end punch night and day potent compared to the old V8 yet carrying enough top end to the next corner to make a shift up to fourth redundant. At the very extremes there is just a hint of rather exciting sounding turbo whistle, providing a nice accompaniment to the bass-heavy exhaust note. And the thing just flies.

Wagon is definitely the cooler option
Wagon is definitely the cooler option
An RS4 Avant would be the obvious alternative and, at £56,545, usefully cheaper than the £60,995 asked for the non-S C63 estate. Arguably more stylish and with that screaming 8K-plus top-end it's appealing up until you look at the 317lb ft torque figure. Yes, 199lb ft less than the '63 S! Skins of rice puddings have, relatively, little to fear from the Audi.

All of which adds up to the 63 S wagon being my pick of the bunch of V8 uber estates. But with the keys to this or my old 507 I'm afraid I'd still take the latter. Why? Here it gets personal. I realise the new car has a more mainstream audience to play to and does it incredibly well. But I miss the undiluted aggression of the old one, aesthetically as well as on the road. Its steering was burly, the passively damped chassis unapologetic but brilliantly judged and the diff super assertive in lock-up and willingness to dictate the angle of attack. If such things intimidate mainstream customers it didn't seem to bother the near-40,000 buyers who made the W204 C63 AMG's biggest seller ever.

I understand completely why technology has been embraced to let the new car play to a bigger audience. But I still know where my money would go.

Dan

C63 wagon - the new school

C63 wagon - the old school


Author
Discussion

pardonmyenglish

Original Poster:

107 posts

111 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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Am the only one hating those artifical exhaust explosions?
I found them vulgar and chavvy.
Beautiful sounds are about harmonics not randomized sound artifacts.

WokkaWokka

698 posts

139 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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I would definitely have to test a C450 wagon when it comes to the UK. Hopefully it will be as interesting as people are saying.

Vee12V

1,332 posts

160 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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pardonmyenglish said:
Am the only one hating those artifical exhaust explosions?
I found them vulgar and chavvy.
Beautiful sounds are about harmonics not randomized sound artifacts.
+1

Oz83

688 posts

139 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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The sound during the lap of Brands had the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end. Nice pedaling at the end too :-)

I definitely agree with the previous comments about the backfires. I can imagine them being exciting at first then getting tiresome very quickly. Are they artificial? If so, there should be an option to disable them in the onboard computer.

Also, I'm not sure I like the idea that an engine is so capable that it only requires one gear. Revving out that W204 looks like great fun and sounds glorious.

Edited by Oz83 on Sunday 1st March 11:38

markwm

144 posts

220 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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The RS4 comparison is a little unfair, you compare the price of the RS4 to the Non S C63, but compare the Torque to the near 12k more expensive S version.

I think anyone in the market for the new C63 S Wagon accepts they'll be spending over 70k, so the obvious comparison in the audi ranks is the RS6 which can be had for less than the cost of the C63 S wagon.

philmots

4,631 posts

260 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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Far out of my budget but a 63s is my perfect car, suitable replacment for my 550 Tourer anyway!

Maybe one day..

RobinBanks

17,540 posts

179 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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What a useless article. You explained at the start that the purpose of it was to explain why you prefer the estate to the saloon and mostly wrote about the engine (the same item in both saloon and estate).

Apart from that there was the use of the word 'super' to mean 'very', which just sounds unprofessional.

mrclav

1,294 posts

223 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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pardonmyenglish said:
Beautiful sounds are about harmonics not randomized sound artifacts.
As a musician and sound designer I'd have to strongly disagree with this statement. Indeed, whilst 'even' (as opposed to 'odd') harmonics are fundamental to humans perception of what sounds "nice", randomisation very much has a place too.

only1ian

688 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Im with dan on the old 507 edition being better than the new i drive both back to back on the yas marina track last week. So,e of the excitment has leached out with the drop in cubic capacity

moffat

1,020 posts

225 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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If money were no object I would take the old 507 as I loved my C63 Coupe... but it was crazy on fuel and anything that provides 11mpg more is a win for me. C63S Estate for me please and a C63 Black as my garage queen smile

Caractacus

2,604 posts

225 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Is this the same model as the one being whipped round Brands? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...
?

Caractacus

2,604 posts

225 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Bump...

Hangcheck

176 posts

122 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Caractacus said:
Is this the same model as the one being whipped round Brands? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/m...
?
Nope, the Brands Hatch video is onboard a C63.

Caractacus

2,604 posts

225 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Hangcheck said:
Nope, the Brands Hatch video is onboard a C63.
Ahhh, OK.

Same engine tho, by the look (507bhp).