RE: Lexus RC F vs BMW M4: Time For Tea?
Friday 6th March 2015
As you may have noticed, PistonHeads now has its own TV channel. More than that, we've got our own show! Episode two is now live and you're invited to enjoy that if your tea break extends to it. If you only get a shorter one here's a little snippet from our first episode in the form of an out-take from our Lexus RC F versus BMW M4 twin test.
Lexus RC F vs BMW M4: Time For Tea?
PHTV is here - a taste of what you can expect here with a drag race pitching Japan vs Germany
So, 473hp of high-revving Japanese V8 against 431hp of torquey twin-turbocharged BMW straight-six. Which is faster off the line? See here!
Discussion
Yup, with everything off it's tough to get the power down in the M4. There is apparently a launch control mode but I couldn't find it and Dale, because he was in the Lexus, wouldn't tell me how to make it work! Once it hooked up you can see how it reeled the Lexus in and in a best of three the one run where the BMW got off the line cleanly it murdered the Lexus. But two out of three the Lexus had it.
Very much up to the driver/technique though. And it was me in the BMW. And I wasn't very good!
Cheers,
Dan
Very much up to the driver/technique though. And it was me in the BMW. And I wasn't very good!
Cheers,
Dan
I am surprised that there are not a lot more comments about this match up. It was one of the most hotly awaited match ups on the internet.
BMW have supposedly addressed some of the main issues from the old M3, namely lack of torque and fuel consumption. However, now it has a sound problem and can only be driven at exciting speeds by very competent drivers. Hence launch control needs to be deployed to beat the RCF.
The talk of the RCF's weight, or excess weight seems to be the biggest complaint. Yet the distance between the two is what, half a second to 60mph! It could mean yes the RCF is too heavy or that the M4 is not as great as it is made out to be!
My view is that whilst the RCF has tried to improve on the old school super saloon, the M4 has softened it's approach to sell more vehicles. Nothing wrong with that. However, I see M cars as more hardcore from BMW, now it is becoming like a Golf R, a very competent and very fast all rounder. However, Lexus will not sell many more RCF's in the UK as a result of this.
I read that a lot of BMW fans are now looking for the M2 for the 'true' M car, is this true?
Before you ask, no I have not driven an M4. I have driven a RCF though.
I prefer high revving engines and think that is one of the driving pleasures. Having the torque from low revs, makes driving a lot easier. Well market forces determine the type of cars made and car buyers appear to want very fast cars that require minimal driving input. DCT, DSG are now preferred over manuals.
I remember when the talk was of the M3's lovely high revving engine (no low end torque). Now it's the M4's lovely low end torque, but not high revving engine.
Sorry but in the pursuit of market appeal, the M4 is no longer the undisputed king! The RCF is not necessary the champ either. There is no champ now, just better alternatives.
BMW have supposedly addressed some of the main issues from the old M3, namely lack of torque and fuel consumption. However, now it has a sound problem and can only be driven at exciting speeds by very competent drivers. Hence launch control needs to be deployed to beat the RCF.
The talk of the RCF's weight, or excess weight seems to be the biggest complaint. Yet the distance between the two is what, half a second to 60mph! It could mean yes the RCF is too heavy or that the M4 is not as great as it is made out to be!
My view is that whilst the RCF has tried to improve on the old school super saloon, the M4 has softened it's approach to sell more vehicles. Nothing wrong with that. However, I see M cars as more hardcore from BMW, now it is becoming like a Golf R, a very competent and very fast all rounder. However, Lexus will not sell many more RCF's in the UK as a result of this.
I read that a lot of BMW fans are now looking for the M2 for the 'true' M car, is this true?
Before you ask, no I have not driven an M4. I have driven a RCF though.
I prefer high revving engines and think that is one of the driving pleasures. Having the torque from low revs, makes driving a lot easier. Well market forces determine the type of cars made and car buyers appear to want very fast cars that require minimal driving input. DCT, DSG are now preferred over manuals.
I remember when the talk was of the M3's lovely high revving engine (no low end torque). Now it's the M4's lovely low end torque, but not high revving engine.
Sorry but in the pursuit of market appeal, the M4 is no longer the undisputed king! The RCF is not necessary the champ either. There is no champ now, just better alternatives.
This is a joke isn't it?
I'm not a fan of, and have never had a Lexus or a BMW but this crap excuse for a news item really s
ts me. Expected of Top Gear, expected better from PH.
M4 got a shocking amount of wheelspin in the film posted. To say the bloke in the other car wouldn't tell you how to use the launch control is a terrible excuse for journalism. In the mix of camera shots, one on board shows the M4 getting a better launch than the Lexus, but the rest of the run is cut. In the interests of balance why not show all 3 runs then? You clearly filmed them all.
Bad PH.
I'm not a fan of, and have never had a Lexus or a BMW but this crap excuse for a news item really s
ts me. Expected of Top Gear, expected better from PH.M4 got a shocking amount of wheelspin in the film posted. To say the bloke in the other car wouldn't tell you how to use the launch control is a terrible excuse for journalism. In the mix of camera shots, one on board shows the M4 getting a better launch than the Lexus, but the rest of the run is cut. In the interests of balance why not show all 3 runs then? You clearly filmed them all.
Bad PH.
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