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AmoCS

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1,150 posts

219 months

outofstepuk

1,242 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th March 2015
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What a joke.

belleair302

6,843 posts

207 months

Saturday 14th March 2015
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It annoys me how every 'specialist' is now a financial advisor. They are trying to increase car prices using the reasoning that it will only increase in value. As we all know this isn't true and it is time people bought cars to drive them not polish them. So far as an advert goes I am laughing hysterically. How much...oh yes more than a house in France or a small ski chalet in Austria.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 15th March 2015
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Is this the same car that was for sale in Cheshire last year? I remember a very low miles one for sale but never with a price shown.
I guess if he can flip it for a big profit then well done, thats what the business is about, it seems that if you can find a low miles Ferrari you can then attach the word "investment" and the sky is the limit.
IMO the Testarossa is an iconic model though, it's when these daft figures start appearing on barely driven 360's and relatively new 430's then things have gone into meltdown, I wonder when the first 150K 360 will appear ( excluding CS of course).............

gt500nick

960 posts

138 months

Sunday 15th March 2015
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Is this the car sold at Silverstone auction last month? If so it has gone up in value by 150k in a very short time

Pork

9,453 posts

234 months

Sunday 15th March 2015
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Throw the word investment in the add and hope the greater fool theory kicks in.

It's rife in cars and housing.

2.5pi

1,066 posts

182 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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Now sold apparently..

Jimbo0912

72 posts

172 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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2.5pi said:
Now sold apparently..
If someone has bought this anywhere near the asking price, then they've got a lot more money than sense!!!

If they tried to flip this immediately, they'll probably be lucky to get £100k for it. To even stand a chance of a profit, average Testarossa values would have to rise another £80-90k. It's a big ask and likely a terrible investment.

If they keep this for a while, there's simply no way they can put any mileage on it unless they want to destroy the cars value.



AmoCS

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1,150 posts

219 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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Wonder what it might be worth in 10 years if stored.

lambosagogo

247 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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Jimbo0912 said:
If they tried to flip this immediately, they'll probably be lucky to get £100k for it. To even stand a chance of a profit, average Testarossa values would have to rise another £80-90k. It's a big ask and likely a terrible investment.

If they keep this for a while, there's simply no way they can put any mileage on it unless they want to destroy the cars value.
Or maybe, just maybe, someone wanted a Testarossa, bought the best example on the market (as most people say you should) and is now going to drive away happy. For some, £350k is just annual bonus money and is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. Y'know, maybe they consider this a fun car as opposed to a profit generation vehicle.

Jimbo0912

72 posts

172 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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lambosagogo said:
Or maybe, just maybe, someone wanted a Testarossa, bought the best example on the market (as most people say you should) and is now going to drive away happy. For some, £350k is just annual bonus money and is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. Y'know, maybe they consider this a fun car as opposed to a profit generation vehicle.
Maybe you're right but people with that kind of money still usually want value for money.

Some of my clients are very wealthy (multi millionaires etc) and yet are some of the tightest people you could ever come across. In my other personal experiences, this is far from unusual.

Ravi355

641 posts

230 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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Jimbo0912 said:
Maybe you're right but people with that kind of money still usually want value for money.

Some of my clients are very wealthy (multi millionaires etc) and yet are some of the tightest people you could ever come across. In my other personal experiences, this is far from unusual.
Absolutely. The higher up the ladder of net worth you climb the more descerning people become. This is not a vanity f car ( f40, f50, enzo) that wealthy pricks need to have in their collection yet never get driven. Ferrari made as many as they could sell so god knows someone would pay that for it. Its not even a nice car to drive.

Camlet

1,132 posts

149 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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Ravi355 said:
Jimbo0912 said:
Maybe you're right but people with that kind of money still usually want value for money.

Some of my clients are very wealthy (multi millionaires etc) and yet are some of the tightest people you could ever come across. In my other personal experiences, this is far from unusual.
Absolutely. The higher up the ladder of net worth you climb the more descerning people become. This is not a vanity f car ( f40, f50, enzo) that wealthy pricks need to have in their collection yet never get driven. Ferrari made as many as they could sell so god knows someone would pay that for it. Its not even a nice car to drive.
Why is someone a prick if they've worked extremely hard and been able to realise a dream?

lambosagogo

247 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st March 2015
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[sarcasm]
Clearly F40, F50s and Enzos are the domain of people collectively referred to as "wealthy pricks" by proper, salt-of-
the-earth folk who have to make do with Carrera GTs (and aren't at all wealthy)...
[/sarcasm]

Look, someone savvy enough to have £350k to spend just purchased a car. It may be an investment, it may have been for sh*ts and giggles. Who can say for sure. All I know is that people buy cars for many different reasons and the behaviour may seem odd to those with other buying habits. Getting worked up about what other people do with their money is a bit daft isn't it?

Edited by lambosagogo on Saturday 21st March 21:02

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Sunday 22nd March 2015
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Always wondered whether putting the words "And Will Continue To Appreciate In Value" into an advert leaves them open to retribution under mis-selling regs in the future if it doesn't appreciate. Obviously you'd have to be fairly silly to take them at their word but they're still mis-selling.

Ravi355

641 posts

230 months

Sunday 22nd March 2015
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lambosagogo][sarcasm said:
Clearly F40, F50s and Enzos are the domain of people collectively referred to as "wealthy pricks" by proper, salt-of-
the-earth folk who have to make do with Carrera GTs (and aren't at all wealthy)...
[/sarcasm]

Look, someone savvy enough to have £350k to spend just purchased a car. It may be an investment, it may have been for sh*ts and giggles. Who can say for sure. All I know is that people buy cars for many different reasons and the behaviour may seem odd to those with other buying habits. Getting worked up about what other people do with their money is a bit daft isn't it?

Edited by lambosagogo on Saturday 21st March 21:02
The comment is aimed more at those that just collect them. Nothing to do with being wealthy. I have come across too many people who collect them to have a complete set and brag about them then really appreciate them from a drivers point of view and actually get them and put and use them.

AMG Merc

11,954 posts

253 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Agree with a lot of the comments here.

IMHO, one of the main reasons as to why we're seeing some silly prices is because fund managers and wealth investors (with rich clients of course - or they wouldn't be good at their jobs!) et al are pushing up prices rapidly. I'm told these people are buying from auction and prestige dealers without ever seeing the cars rather they go straight into storage.


ironictwist

7,127 posts

205 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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AMG Merc said:
Agree with a lot of the comments here.

IMHO, one of the main reasons as to why we're seeing some silly prices is because fund managers and wealth investors (with rich clients of course - or they wouldn't be good at their jobs!) et al are pushing up prices rapidly. I'm told these people are buying from auction and prestige dealers without ever seeing the cars rather they go straight into storage.
As someone that runs a storage facility & sources cars for such individuals, that's exactly what's happening. The more well to do enthusiast is being pushed out of the market due to a market led by the increasingly richer client base of those wanting to invest away from traditional commodities.

Even so the above price is cuckoo but I'm sure someone will buy it...I have a delivery miles TR for circa £100k less so for them to ask for £350k is hilarious in comparison...But having said, it only takes 1 person to say "Yes".

Jimbo0912

72 posts

172 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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@AMG Merc, @ironictwist, @Ravi355 – Thanks for your insights and I've said for ages now that this is largely speculator driven. However, I’m absolutely convinced that this can't continue indefinitely.

The market is absolutely f**king crazy at the moment and I'm certain we'll see the first £1m Daytona advertised within the next 6 months. Considering you could pick a really good Daytona for less than £200k 4 years ago is sheer and utter insanity.

There are a lot of Italian cars with crazy valuations currently and they're not even that rare! I’m sure we'll see a £2m 288, a £1.5m F40 and Dino's pushing £500k by the end of the year.

20%+ compound gains per year seems totally unstable to me. Who knows where this will end?!


Edited by Jimbo0912 on Friday 27th March 23:21