RE: Jaguar XF 5.0 V8: You Know You Want To

RE: Jaguar XF 5.0 V8: You Know You Want To

Thursday 26th March 2015

Jaguar XF 5.0 V8: You Know You Want To

A V8 XF without the R shouty bits? Yes please!



The focus with the new Jaguar XF is, predictably enough, on the Ingenium diesel engines and the new infotainment and the refreshed styling. After all, that's what will attract buyers away from the German alternatives.

Now if we could just find a facelift V8...
Now if we could just find a facelift V8...
But there's one thing missing from the XF Mk2 line up: a non-R V8. In fact it's been missing for a while. A plain-jane(ish) V8 was a feature in the XF range from launch in 2008 until 2012, when presumably very tiny sales killed it off. Given attention is very much on the XF for this week, what better time to revisit the V8?

Originally this was going to be the XF SV8, the supercharged 420hp model that preceded the XFR. A fine car it is too - stylish, fast and by all accounts an excellent drive as well. They are available from £12K in the PH classifieds now, complete with those stunning five-spoke wheels.

But the SV8 is made to look as common as a Honda Civic by the model that effectively replaced it: the 5.0 V8. In 2009 the new V8 arrived with the XFR, supercharged to 510hp and sending the British motoring press into a frenzy with its pace and ability. But it was also offered in naturally aspirated guise with 385hp and without much sporting pretence at all. It was aimed more at the American market, where large V8 sedans are of course very popular. But who would buy one in the UK? The SV8 at least sold to the early adopters who wanted a fast XF. With the R's arrival that position was certainly spoken for, leaving the naturally aspirated V8 with very few likely customers. Performance is covered by the R, efficiency by the then-new twin-turbo diesel. But a few years on in the classifieds...

You read that right - V8 XF that isn't an XFR!
You read that right - V8 XF that isn't an XFR!
For those after an old Jag spec with new Jag dynamics, this 5.0 V8 S Premium Luxury could be just the ticket. Caviar Red with Ivory leather is a really classy colour combination and to have 385hp in a car that resembles a 2.2d will always appeal. It would be a Q-car were the term not a little vulgar for a Jaguar.

There are a few of these luxury saloons with big engines and little sporting aspiration around. And they look rather excellent actually. See the BMW 550i SE, with 400hp from a turbocharged V8 and a 525d aesthetic. Lord knows what happened to the tail lights there but a very interesting car nonetheless. And though the Audi S6 is more overtly sporting, it would be hard to tell from this car. Plus there's the Volvo S80 V8 as well. Now there's a cool four-door saloon.

They are all more numerous than the XF though, at least by cars available on PH. Oh sure, it will be expensive to run and sensible people in sensible shoes will tell you the diesel is just as quick in 'the real world'. But the 5.0 has incredible rarity curio charm on top of the XF's regular talents. And a V8. What more do you need?

 


JAGUAR XF 5.0 V8 S PREMIUM LUXURY
Price:
 £22,221
Why you should: Discreet, desirable V8 Jaguar saloon
Why you shouldn't: Spec perhaps too fuddy-duddy? The SV8 is faster and cheaper too

See the original advert here.



   
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stedale

Original Poster:

1,124 posts

265 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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I'd just have an SV8.

Charlie Michael

2,750 posts

184 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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stedale said:
I'd just have an SV8.
Same. smile

I didn't realise that Volvo did a V8 saloon still!

_Deano

7,406 posts

253 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Although i thought about the NA 5.0, the XFR was the right choice for me.
A wonderful car smile

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

183 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Identical save for the colour, to my wife's car.

We've had two good years with it so far, very nice, and the engine's a peach. Especially with the Spires system that we treated it to on purchase.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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If you spend a lot of time in your car and can afford the running costs, this is a fine counterpoint to the usual. It's all about the understatement. A travelling exec comes to mind.

zeppelin101

724 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Wonderful engine. I drove one a few years ago and loved it to bits. The noise is fabulous.

Matt UK

17,698 posts

200 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Nice. Such a shame now that powerful engines are always bolted into the shouty, winged, spoilered, lowered, big-wheeled model. But the market gets what the market wants.

andburg

7,291 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Shame they don't do the supercharged engine without all the shouty bits.

Same for most manufacturers though, there has to be a market for 500bhp barge designed for UK roads not german racetracks.

Sure you could get an XFR with standard suspension if you asked Jaguar nicely.

V88Dicky

7,305 posts

183 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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The U.S. gets a supercharged, non-XFR version, or certainly used to.

soad

32,896 posts

176 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Caviar Red? Looks chocolatey to me. There's Insignia next door to me in the same colour.


The Leaper

4,954 posts

206 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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To correct a point in the article, my understanding is that this model was, in fact, the standard model for the USA market. Jaguar never advertised or promoted it in the UK although it was available by special order.

Switched to a Jaguar XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio last June after 13 years with a succession of two S-Type V8s. Delighted with the car and a major step forward from the S-Type. Mine is Emerald Fire with Barley interior and fully loaded including the rare sun roof. Fewer miles and cheaper than the car in the advert mentioned in the article, and from a JMD too.

I like the unstressed engine which delivers 385 BHP as it's more of an expected Jaguar ride than the SV8 and XF-R. Cheaper to run, rarer too.

The only down side is the modest fuel tank.

Less than 60 in the UK according to How-many-are-left.

R.


TurboHatchback

4,160 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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I very much like this sort of car. One step down from the full performance version, still an unnecessary amount of power but usually more comfortable and usable and much cheaper on insurance, parts, tyres etc as well as to buy.

For example:
  • BMW 550i (as in the article). 4.8l, 367bhp
  • Mercedes ClS/E500. 5.4l, 388bhp
  • Audi A6 4.2 FSI (my car). 4.2l, 345bhp
All completely anonymous and not bad on fuel but still very fast.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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V88Dicky said:
The U.S. gets a supercharged, non-XFR version, or certainly used to.
You're right. Jaguar still offer that in the US.

Note also the AWD versions which, like many AWD offerings, are likely to be popular in the Northeast corridor (approximately Boston, New York and Philadelphia) where snow and heavy rains are not uncommon.

PistonBroker

2,419 posts

226 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Of that selection, it's the Volvo that really jumps out at me. Serious Q-car credentials, AWD for added practicality, and serious VFM by the looks of it.

Presume it handles like a boat?

Dyl

1,251 posts

210 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Coincidentally, I was looking at that exact advert yesterday. After reading about the new XF, it got me thinking "I'm sure there used to be a 'normal' V8".

Not that I am in the position to, but I would love a car of this ilk - big V8 in a normal looking body.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 26th March 2015
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The Leaper said:
To correct a point in the article, my understanding is that this model was, in fact, the standard model for the USA market. Jaguar never advertised or promoted it in the UK although it was available by special order.

Switched to a Jaguar XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio last June after 13 years with a succession of two S-Type V8s. Delighted with the car and a major step forward from the S-Type. Mine is Emerald Fire with Barley interior and fully loaded including the rare sun roof. Fewer miles and cheaper than the car in the advert mentioned in the article, and from a JMD too.

I like the unstressed engine which delivers 385 BHP as it's more of an expected Jaguar ride than the SV8 and XF-R. Cheaper to run, rarer too.

The only down side is the modest fuel tank.

Less than 60 in the UK according to How-many-are-left.

R.
Thanks for pointing that out, good to know!


Matt

jagfan2

391 posts

177 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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zeppelin101 said:
Wonderful engine. I drove one a few years ago and loved it to bits. The noise is fabulous.
This is absolutely the pick of the 10MY range in the right colour and spec. Had the pleasure of one for a few days inc a long trip to liverpool and back just after launch. Did 28mpg with liberal use of the loud pedal, perfect understated noise and the right amount of go to shame all but the best/most recent diesel saloons, and a proper Jag ride we used to famous for.

On my shopping list when they drop sub 15k

Alex P

180 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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From an article I read in Evo Magazine a few years ago I understand that this was actually the largest selling engine (by volume) of the XF range in terms of global sales...Yes it was popular in the USA but also in other parts of the world as well.

Just goes to show that the rest of the world is better at knowing what makes a great Jag than we Brit's do, as we predominantly buy the 2.2 diesel version...A very sorry state of affairs.

Jaguar did not market this car effectively in the UK. It would appear, disappear and then re-appear in the brochures. It was often marketed as special order only.

I think the majority sold when Jaguar had a push on petrol XFs in 2010/11. The car had about £5k off list when new and was therefore cheaper (and better ) than the higher powered V6 diesel. Most of the later ones have the diesel S bodywork and Jaguar sports seats. Incidentally Jaguar sold far more (Ford) 3.0 petrol XFs in 2010 when the car was properly marketed (and usefully cheaper than the diesel). It just goes to show, there is a market for a petrol Jag' in the UK, but the marketing/sales team need to get the promotion/pricing right!

The N/A engine was dropped from the price list when the 3.0 supercharged six replaced it. This is a good engine, but many US reviews say that the V8 was a better engine and has more character (and is a bit quicker). Incidentally, real world fuel consumption is not supposed to be much different.

The N/A version of the engine lived on in the XK until September last year. For some reason Jaguar did not replace it with the 3.0 supercharged from the F-type. I suppose the V8 was considered more of a GT engine, the V6 more of a sports car engine?

In the states you can get the supercharged V8 in non-R trim. It looks the same as any of the higher spec V6 petrols but has a 470BHP 5.0 V8. Probably a very good car for those who like power but don't want to shout about it.





Edited by Alex P on Thursday 26th March 20:44

Alex P

180 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
The S80 V8 listed in the article is an interesting car.

There were <100 V8 models ever sold in the UK I believe.
I think a quick look on how many left shows that sales were into the hundreds rather than under a 100.

Again, this was a much more popular car in the states (and Eastern Europe if the YouTube videos are anything to go by).

Alex P

180 posts

128 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Sorry, my mistake. I was going off memory, which obviously wasn't quite as sharp as I expected...

On average, there seem to be about 2-3 S80 V8s come up for sale on Autotrader every quarter.