P1 vs 918 video at Laguna Seca
Discussion
Video here https://youtu.be/3fnTZKvX5jg
I haven't watched yet but Motortrend content is usually quality and Randy Pobst is an accomplished driver.
It's nearly the comparison we all want to see on track.....
I haven't watched yet but Motortrend content is usually quality and Randy Pobst is an accomplished driver.
It's nearly the comparison we all want to see on track.....
br d said:
The Go Pro is clearly mounted on a slightly longer stem on the P1, this is causing extra drag and skewing the results, why can't you people see this?!
If I was in the market I'd go for the the 918.
haha, good spot If I was in the market I'd go for the the 918.
I think the underlying message of the video, and the web article that accompanied it a few weeks back, is that the 918 is perhaps the easier car to extract a good lap time time out of, and for the average driver, is probably the faster car in most scenarios
Like you, I'd probably go for a 918, but the P1 is lovely looking bit of kit, just maybe a bit too 'race car' raw for my liking and skill level
I'd always feel like I wasn't a good enough driver for it
I've had a good poke around a 918 and it's a fantastically well made bit of kit
graeme4130 said:
I like that they made a point that McLaren tried to adjust the car with new tyres and various pressures, and only went slower
Imagine how many adjustments and days testing would've been done by the chaps in Red if they'd participated
None. The TheFerrari is faster.Imagine how many adjustments and days testing would've been done by the chaps in Red if they'd participated
Already recognized by the people that driven the Porsche and/or the P1.
That was a great test and Randy is a very good driver. But here's the thing, I suspect the result would swap back and forth depending on the track. The 918 is always going to have an advantage on a track with a number of slow corners like Leguna Seca where its 4WD can drag it out of the corners quicker due to better traction. If we took this test to say Monza or Spa I suspect the P1 would come out on top because of its better straight-line speed and aero advantage.
If it was my money I would take the P1, as Randy stated he preferred it as a driver’s car, and that’s the challenge I would love.
At the end of the day both cars are winners. The average owner would have major problems getting to within five seconds of Randy's times, so a 0.7 second difference is neither here nor there
As for the LaFerrari I suspect the 918 would still beat it at this track due to the same issues
If it was my money I would take the P1, as Randy stated he preferred it as a driver’s car, and that’s the challenge I would love.
At the end of the day both cars are winners. The average owner would have major problems getting to within five seconds of Randy's times, so a 0.7 second difference is neither here nor there
As for the LaFerrari I suspect the 918 would still beat it at this track due to the same issues
graeme4130 said:
haha, good spot
I think the underlying message of the video, and the web article that accompanied it a few weeks back, is that the 918 is perhaps the easier car to extract a good lap time time out of, and for the average driver, is probably the faster car in most scenarios
Like you, I'd probably go for a 918, but the P1 is lovely looking bit of kit, just maybe a bit too 'race car' raw for my liking and skill level
I'd always feel like I wasn't a good enough driver for it
I've had a good poke around a 918 and it's a fantastically well made bit of kit
My thoughts entirely. I think the underlying message of the video, and the web article that accompanied it a few weeks back, is that the 918 is perhaps the easier car to extract a good lap time time out of, and for the average driver, is probably the faster car in most scenarios
Like you, I'd probably go for a 918, but the P1 is lovely looking bit of kit, just maybe a bit too 'race car' raw for my liking and skill level
I'd always feel like I wasn't a good enough driver for it
I've had a good poke around a 918 and it's a fantastically well made bit of kit
My complete lack of ability would suit the 918 even if think the P1 is a much better looking car. The LF strangely does nothing for me aesthetically, I know what a towering achievement it is in automotive terms but when I look at it I just end up continuously rotating the image to find a decent angle, I haven't stopped rotating yet.
Of course these fag paper time differences are completely meaningless anyway, like watching dragons eat their own tails. Although I'm as guilty as the next person of slavering over lap times we don't really empty our bank accounts down to tenths of seconds do we? Perhaps we do.
I know a bloke who has an absurdly highly tuned Cosworth, it 0-60's in under 1.5 seconds and when he stamps on the throttle it removes your ears and places your eyes in the gaps they've left. I wouldn't want to own it though because aside from the fact that the engine explodes every time it hits 100mph the car is even uglier than me, and that's saying something.
DeltonaS said:
None. The TheFerrari is faster.
Already recognized by the people that driven the Porsche and/or the P1.
Like.....? Harris and Sutcliffe both proclaimed the P1 'a whole new thing' and yet the 918 has proven faster so far. Absolutely no reason to think that the laferrari will be any quicker than either car round a racetrack.Already recognized by the people that driven the Porsche and/or the P1.
Well the laferrari build quality is a different order of poor compared to the P1 much less the 918....
Really like the 918 which looks and sounds miles better than the P1 even without the wastegate noise which drives me crazy when i hear it....but am I the only one who thinks the CGT sounds better than the 918...?
Really like the 918 which looks and sounds miles better than the P1 even without the wastegate noise which drives me crazy when i hear it....but am I the only one who thinks the CGT sounds better than the 918...?
footsoldier said:
The LaF looks quicker in a straight line, but my guess is 918 is quicker on a lap.
WTD - Could you tell at Spa, or too wet?
Gut feeling is Porsche , but on very fast tracks it will be very very very close . Still apparently theres a la ferrari at silverstone tomorrow . May have to dress up and go for a dance ? Silverstone should suit the Laf and have places to suit the 918 so its on like kong .WTD - Could you tell at Spa, or too wet?
The thing is on the drive home , tired and elated , you can put her in hybrid ( the engine isn't intrusive and she will go electric when appropriate ) , set the temperature PERFECTLY , make crystal clear calls and listen to a truly fantastic stereo . Its such a well rounded machine .
isaldiri said:
Well the laferrari build quality is a different order of poor compared to the P1 much less the 918....
Really like the 918 which looks and sounds miles better than the P1 even without the wastegate noise which drives me crazy when i hear it....but am I the only one who thinks the CGT sounds better than the 918...?
Interesting the Laf I saw was gorgeous , ill admit I didn't poke its innards like I did the P1 but it looked better from what I saw . I really like the laf , just doesn't look as mental as the enzo did back then .Really like the 918 which looks and sounds miles better than the P1 even without the wastegate noise which drives me crazy when i hear it....but am I the only one who thinks the CGT sounds better than the 918...?
cgt sounds better than all 3 of them ( 918 is just angry and guttural , la ferrari sounds synthetic and the p1 is a monotone blare that is interrupted by whooshing and gaseous expulsion sounds ) , also the CGT is the better better car for that last "charge of the light brigade" drive too . IMHO of course .
Edited by wtdoom on Wednesday 1st April 23:06
wtdoom said:
Gut feeling is Porsche , but on very fast tracks it will be very very very close . Still apparently theres a la ferrari at silverstone tomorrow . May have to dress up and go for a dance ? Silverstone should suit the Laf and have places to suit the 918 so its on like kong .
The thing is on the drive home , tired and elated , you can put her in hybrid ( the engine isn't intrusive and she will go electric when appropriate ) , set the temperature PERFECTLY , make crystal clear calls and listen to a truly fantastic stereo . Its such a well rounded machine .
Confirmed today I'm picking up my 918 in Leipzig on 26 May :happy: The thing is on the drive home , tired and elated , you can put her in hybrid ( the engine isn't intrusive and she will go electric when appropriate ) , set the temperature PERFECTLY , make crystal clear calls and listen to a truly fantastic stereo . Its such a well rounded machine .
I see a Goldtrack day at Silverstone GP on 1 June which has my name all over it! Maybe catch up with you on track at some point.
Is there any issue with noise limits? There's a Zandvoort day on 27/5 that I might have headed for, but 88db limit.
footsoldier said:
Confirmed today I'm picking up my 918 in Leipzig on 26 May :happy:
I see a Goldtrack day at Silverstone GP on 1 June which has my name all over it! Maybe catch up with you on track at some point.
Is there any issue with noise limits? There's a Zandvoort day on 27/5 that I might have headed for, but 88db limit.
Congratulations I see a Goldtrack day at Silverstone GP on 1 June which has my name all over it! Maybe catch up with you on track at some point.
Is there any issue with noise limits? There's a Zandvoort day on 27/5 that I might have headed for, but 88db limit.
Re track days unless something of similar ability is on track you will find it boring interacting with the other cars , instead you will use to time to exploit the cars limits and learn her ways .
You will have no noise issues as far as I know . You will love it and the car you get is faster than the cars we drove on the tests
I thought it was interesting that Randy was a lot busier on the steering in the 918 than the P1 even though he stated the P1 was more of a hand full. Do you think it was because he was able to push the 918 a bit harder due to the extra/more exploitable traction he had and just had to drive the P1 as smoothly as he could?
Out of interest has anyone here driven Laguna Seca? I've watched but never driven there but the inclines and declines are massive, even the access roads to the circuit are like driving up a wall! Looks like it would be fun!
Out of interest has anyone here driven Laguna Seca? I've watched but never driven there but the inclines and declines are massive, even the access roads to the circuit are like driving up a wall! Looks like it would be fun!
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