New Clutch - Change Flywheel Too ?

New Clutch - Change Flywheel Too ?

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Guildford57

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14 posts

119 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Hi there.

My 2007 Boxster S will probably be due a new clutch within the 5k or so, as it now has 45k on the clock. I've been told by my local Indy that theres a potential risk of clutch judder if the dual mass flywheel is past its best. They were not insisting that the flywheel should be replaced, but were simply pointing out that some people have had issues after fitting a new clutch.

Any recommendations whether I should consider replacing the flywheel as a precaution, or am I being paranoid ? Just wondered whether anyone's experienced this dilemma ?

Thanks for your help.




Matt Seabrook

563 posts

252 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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They can be checked at time of clutch replacement but this really only tells you if its buggered now. It is possible that the DMF will fail at a some time later date (no telling when) and this will mean that all the labour to do the clutch will be required to change the DMF. If it was my car I think I would be changing it.

SEE YA

3,522 posts

246 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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I have just done that on mine, new clutch plus flywheel.

Worse thing not replace it, then the clutch goes a short time later on due to not being changed.

You then have to buy another new clutch,more money to pay out.

Edited by SEE YA on Thursday 7th May 10:03

DRH986

285 posts

145 months

Thursday 7th May 2015
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I changed the flywheel on my Cayman S when I changed the clutch at 58k miles. There is a rotation test to check flywheel condition and mine was well outside tolerance (+/-25mm vs +/-10mm limit if I recall correctly). Despite failing the test, I don't think there was a noticeable improvement with the new one.

The clutch friction plate on my car did not seem to be very worn but the pedal was much lighter with the new one. My old release bearing literally fell apart when I removed it, and I also had to change the guide tube that the release bearing slides on as it was very worn. I also changed the rear main seal as a precaution.

If you're contemplating doing it yourself, it's all pretty straightforward apart from dealing with the inevitable broken exhaust studs at this mileage if it hasn't been off before. These doubled the time taken and quadrupled the cursing!

Schermerhorn

4,343 posts

190 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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You might as well

Its twice the labour if you have to open it again to change something that could have been avoided the first time around.

Moosh

1,122 posts

222 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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I would not change the DMF unless it needed changing. I am on my 4th clutch but original DMF. 68k miles.

blueg33

36,021 posts

225 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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As a matter of interest, how much to change the clutch on these? Dealer price vs indie

ChipsAndCheese

1,608 posts

165 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Get it checked when having the clutch done. Bear in mind that it's a £680 part (for genuine Porsche item), so for many, it's not one of those relatively cheap parts that's always worth repalcing as a precaution, regardless of condition.

thegoose

8,075 posts

211 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Moosh said:
I would not change the DMF unless it needed changing. I am on my 4th clutch but original DMF. 68k miles.
You wore out THREE clutches in what, 60,000 miles? Less? eek

Guildford57

Original Poster:

14 posts

119 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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Thanks for your replies. Sounds as though this is something not to dismiss lightly so I will probably change the flywheel unless it's in pristine condition.

Cost for clutch alone is c.£850 I believe, but haven't asked for a quote yet. All I know is the clutch is not slipping, but the mechanism is showing early signs of wear. I'm inclined to change it rather than wait for it to fail. Also need to replace RMS whilst we're in there !


chriscoates81

482 posts

133 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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thegoose said:
You wore out THREE clutches in what, 60,000 miles? Less? eek
Maybe drives in london?

Moosh

1,122 posts

222 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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thegoose said:
Moosh said:
I would not change the DMF unless it needed changing. I am on my 4th clutch but original DMF. 68k miles.
You wore out THREE clutches in what, 60,000 miles? Less? eek
Yep, smile

1st clutch was standard and did not last long when I had the first upgrade to 520hp. 2nd clutch was (if I have remembered this right) a 964 clutch part. This did a little better until I upgraded to 673hp. 3rd clutch garage fitted standard clutch only due to the fact that I was off on a apls run the very next day so did not have time to source something stronger. Lasted about 2k miles. Now running the sachs 890nm. Muuuch better.

hygt2

419 posts

180 months

Friday 8th May 2015
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DRH986 said:
I changed the flywheel on my Cayman S when I changed the clutch at 58k miles. There is a rotation test to check flywheel condition and mine was well outside tolerance (+/-25mm vs +/-10mm limit if I recall correctly). Despite failing the test, I don't think there was a noticeable improvement with the new one.

The clutch friction plate on my car did not seem to be very worn but the pedal was much lighter with the new one. My old release bearing literally fell apart when I removed it, and I also had to change the guide tube that the release bearing slides on as it was very worn. I also changed the rear main seal as a precaution.

If you're contemplating doing it yourself, it's all pretty straightforward apart from dealing with the inevitable broken exhaust studs at this mileage if it hasn't been off before. These doubled the time taken and quadrupled the cursing!
+1 check the deflection and if less than 50% of tolerance, you can probably get another clutch change out of the flywheel before replacement is needed.

neon_fox

342 posts

285 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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I'm curious why you wouldn't take the opportunity to change to a lighter solid flywheel whilst the engine is dropped?

Guildford57

Original Poster:

14 posts

119 months

Monday 11th May 2015
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To be honest, I would be making a change I wouldn't know whether I wanted or needed. I understand the principles but why fix what ain't bust !

TonyB66

242 posts

171 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Had the clutch done on my 996 at 36,000 miles they also changed the flywheel and showed me now much wobble was in the center bearing.

I would definitely budget for it and cross your fingers and hope it doesn't need changing, only an inspection will really tell you.