Bloody Nails !!!!
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Yep, you guessed it.....a screw in my tyre (where it can't be fixed).
Anyway, I just called Works and asked for a price which was a slightly shocking £392.75 !!!! National Tyres can do the same tyre on Saturday for £186 (I kid you not).
Obviously i'm not paying £200 more for Works to fit and they said they can't price match (due to volumes etc). Anyway, my question is more about the TPM sensor......I assume after having a new tyre fitted I just need to reset the TPMS.....and nothing else ?
Anyway, I just called Works and asked for a price which was a slightly shocking £392.75 !!!! National Tyres can do the same tyre on Saturday for £186 (I kid you not).
Obviously i'm not paying £200 more for Works to fit and they said they can't price match (due to volumes etc). Anyway, my question is more about the TPM sensor......I assume after having a new tyre fitted I just need to reset the TPMS.....and nothing else ?
jonby said:
It's utterly ridiculous
I knew that's the way it works with the V12 Pirelli PZero Corsas but I thought with Potenzas, which my 2 V8s had, which are common across the Aston range, the Aston dealer premium was much smaller
They do themselves no favours
I agree. OK so I know that dealers always chance their arm a bit, but over £200 more for the same tyre.......come on !!!I knew that's the way it works with the V12 Pirelli PZero Corsas but I thought with Potenzas, which my 2 V8s had, which are common across the Aston range, the Aston dealer premium was much smaller
They do themselves no favours
On a lighter note though, £186 fully fitted is a bargain........if anyone else is borderline needing new boots then take a look (National Tyres). Not sure if the discount is always there or a promotional thing.
There are half a dozen firms at least (first page of google 'cheap tyres') who are always worth comparing - they offer a price based on fitting at your chosen local fitter
For example blackcircles, tyresonthedrive, mytyres, e-tyres, tyreshoppers, etc
They send the tyres to the fitter in time for your pre booked appointment
We have a Barry & Wilkinson across the road to my office and they know us well. I give them the chance to match the internet tyre firms and half of the time, they literally can't buy the tyres as cheap as the internet offers. When they can match it, they end up working to a pretty low margin
I have no doubts that the Aston dealerships cannot buy the tyres for anything close to the internet prices, but I'm not sure why. I appreciate volume, low margin, etc but the differences are huge so that can't be the only reason
The PZero Corsas for V12V have a full list price of c £500 front, £700 rear so that's £2,400 for the set. I suspect you'd be lucky to pay less than £2k at an AM dealership ?
If you look online, fitted all-in you can get the fronts for c. £200, the rears for c. £300, so that's £1k for a set..........
For example blackcircles, tyresonthedrive, mytyres, e-tyres, tyreshoppers, etc
They send the tyres to the fitter in time for your pre booked appointment
We have a Barry & Wilkinson across the road to my office and they know us well. I give them the chance to match the internet tyre firms and half of the time, they literally can't buy the tyres as cheap as the internet offers. When they can match it, they end up working to a pretty low margin
I have no doubts that the Aston dealerships cannot buy the tyres for anything close to the internet prices, but I'm not sure why. I appreciate volume, low margin, etc but the differences are huge so that can't be the only reason
The PZero Corsas for V12V have a full list price of c £500 front, £700 rear so that's £2,400 for the set. I suspect you'd be lucky to pay less than £2k at an AM dealership ?
If you look online, fitted all-in you can get the fronts for c. £200, the rears for c. £300, so that's £1k for a set..........
It's absolute madness.
I would much rather have them fitted at a dealer (i'm a but funny like that), and in all honesty would probably accept £50 a corner for the privilege, but £200.......no thanks.
I understand that they can't get them for what the internet firms can, but Jesus, they could buy them FROM the internet firms (in bulk), put a nominal margin on and still be within the realms of acceptable.
I would much rather have them fitted at a dealer (i'm a but funny like that), and in all honesty would probably accept £50 a corner for the privilege, but £200.......no thanks.
I understand that they can't get them for what the internet firms can, but Jesus, they could buy them FROM the internet firms (in bulk), put a nominal margin on and still be within the realms of acceptable.
Very annoying to get a simple but irreparable puncture on an otherwise good tyre. Getting a replacement from is a costly option because many AM buyers have deep pockets and will just default to the dealer for their car's tyres etc. Car manufacturers make more from those customers than trying to get close to the pricing in the very competitive car consumables market. Like any savvy company they're just maximising a profit opportunity without the distraction of having to diversify from their main business. I know I'd do the same if I owned the company. Which I don't. Thankfully. 
ian365 said:
Very annoying to get a simple but irreparable puncture on an otherwise good tyre. Getting a replacement from is a costly option because many AM buyers have deep pockets and will just default to the dealer for their car's tyres etc. Car manufacturers make more from those customers than trying to get close to the pricing in the very competitive car consumables market. Like any savvy company they're just maximising a profit opportunity without the distraction of having to diversify from their main business. I know I'd do the same if I owned the company. Which I don't. Thankfully.
To be honest even if my pockets were bottomless I still wouldn't pay it, but maybe that's just me And some (not all) dealers sub out fitting to a man with a van, so although it is main dealer price and invoice, the fitting may be by carried out by the same indie (who is probably very experienced at fitting tyres without grazing the wheel with tyre levers) who also fits for the big online companies.
jonby said:
It's utterly ridiculous
I knew that's the way it works with the V12 Pirelli PZero Corsas but I thought with Potenzas, which my 2 V8s had, which are common across the Aston range, the Aston dealer premium was much smaller
They do themselves no favours
I knew that's the way it works with the V12 Pirelli PZero Corsas but I thought with Potenzas, which my 2 V8s had, which are common across the Aston range, the Aston dealer premium was much smaller
They do themselves no favours
they wanted £600 each for Corsa rears last summer. I argued.,hey said they couldn't budge. I bought them half-price online and they fitted them.Absurd.
ian365 said:
Very annoying to get a simple but irreparable puncture on an otherwise good tyre. Getting a replacement from is a costly option because many AM buyers have deep pockets and will just default to the dealer for their car's tyres etc. Car manufacturers make more from those customers than trying to get close to the pricing in the very competitive car consumables market. Like any savvy company they're just maximising a profit opportunity without the distraction of having to diversify from their main business. I know I'd do the same if I owned the company. Which I don't. Thankfully.
When we say 'car manufacturers' making more money, I think we need to clarify the issue. If a front Corsa tyre can be bought online for less than £200 including fitting, then they can't be paying more than £160, to allow for a small profit margin and a few pounds to the fitter (all my figures are vat inclusive). Are AML the factory really paying £160 but with their margin and the dealer's, ending up with a retail figure of £350+ ? (in fact full list retail is actually nearly £500 for a front corsa). Yes I'm sure they are making larger margins than the discount tyre people, but I'm doubtful if the difference is all to do with profit and in fact, I suspect has a lot to do with ability/inclination to buy competitivelyI'd also point out it's not just Aston and other high end brands. In my experience Audi or Merc are no different. If Ford made cars with £200-300 tyres, I'm sure the situation would be the same with their cars/dealers too - this idea it's because Aston owners are deemed to have deep pockets is not something I agree with
I have a few friends who've had huge issues recently in obtaining replacement tyres for their Porsches, with there stated to be no stock in the UK for their particular tyres (991 turbo and Cayenne hybrid). What I think is at the crux of the matter is that the development side of the manufacturers spec a certain tyre for a specific model without knowing or caring about the aftermarket in terms of availability or price
Oh and it's far worse with a Lamborghini - a mate with a Gallardo Superleggera found that you can only by the lambo designated version of his tyres from Lamborghini dealers so there is literally, no cheap option.
I do think however all said and done, as is illustrated in this thread, plenty of people understand that there are lots of options for AM tyres and choose to utilise those options, so in reality, is there a problem ? Especially if it's not so much about excessive mark up for the dealers (who are charging less than full RRP) but instead, about the availability of very steep discounts from tyre specialists. It's still utterly ridiculous for us as punters and I wonder if the factory couldn't work harder to make the differences smaller, but it doesn't cause most of us a problem providing we understand the system
Edited by jonby on Thursday 28th May 14:28
theaxe said:
Is it true that many of the lower cost tyre vendors supply relatively 'old' stock? If so does that matter at all and how would you know?
This is true and you would know by the DOT code on the side of the tyre.How old is too old is another question i dont have the answer to
You could buy a 3 yr old tyre and do low mileage and end up with a 6 or 7 yesr old one.
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