RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: PH Fleet

RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: PH Fleet

Friday 5th June 2015

Mini JCW: PH Fleet

A Mini arrives on the Fleet with an auto 'box, big wheels and a £32K price - is there any hope for it?



It was not long after being glued to the screen, watching the Goodwood 73rd Member's Meeting, that I learned my replacement for the Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo would be Mini's new John Cooper Works. My reaction was one of pure excitement - the emotion, not the option (part of the £2,470 Chili pack).

Watching Nick Swift's heroic David and Goliath battle, duking it out with the Rovers, Capris and Camaros, had been a highlight of the event, and ignited something of a latent lust for hot Minis. Furthermore, after a banging my head against a recalcitrant dual-clutch gearbox for 12 months, the prospect of needlessly blipping up and down a slick manual had my fingers and toes tingling.


But life often has a habit of sticking a pin into one's hopes and dreams, and this case was no different. When the spec pinged into my inbox, one word leapt out from the PDF: Auto.

Yes, unbelievably, all the launch cars were specced with the Steptronic six-speed auto box. Not a manual in sight. Needless to say, my heart sank and my left leg went back to sleep.

When I finally composed myself enough to scroll further down the page, I was dealt another blow. It was rolling on active dampers and 18-inch wheels shod with run-flat tyres. In other words, about as far removed from my ideal spec as is possible. In fact, little restraint was shown when configuring YC15 OFR. Bulging with toys, the price has been pushed up to PH forum melting £31,945 and into the sights of cars like the Golf R and BMW M135i. To pick two entirely random examples...


Still, my anxiety was tempered by reading John Mahoney's hopeful first drive, and repeating the figures of 231hp and 1,200kg, over and over in my head. I also prayed that it would still display the trademark wheel-at-each-corner agility and pants-on-the-floor centre of gravity. And above all, I hoped for a miracle from the gearbox.

Then it arrived; all perforated jaw, jutting chin and knee-high rims. Visually challenging shall we say. Age and regulations, it would be accurate to say, have done the iconic Mini shape no favours. No longer blessed with that square footprint and perfect proportions, the prominent chin, comically large lights and bloated body are sadly not a patch on its predecessors.

That said, there's plenty of tinsel to draw your eye away from the basic silhouette, and nary a panel is devoid of either chrome trim or a John Cooper Works badge. Inside is even better, or considerably worse, depending on your appreciation of shiny things. I've set myself a challenge to find a surface that hasn't been covered in leather, chequer board, chrome steel, brushed aluMinium, piano black, Dinamica suede or some kind of mood lighting, and so far I'm not doing too well. I guess it must appeal to the average Mini buyer, but to me, coupled with the array of toggle switches, it's all a bit Studio 54 meets B52 bomber.


As you may have deduced from all this, I was pretty worried that we wouldn't get along. But, you know what, being proved wrong has never felt better. And, so far at least, I'm smitten.

It's an absolute cracker, bursting with character from the moment you flick the engine start toggle switch. That 2.0-litre, twin-scroll turbo feels immensely strong from way down in the rev range, and yet still makes a trip to the 6,000rpm limiter a worthwhile endeavour. Better still, it celebrates the forced induction with whooshes under load, whumps with every upshift, and pops, bangs and wastegate flutter off throttle. I firmly believe hot hatches should make you feel a bit childish, and, so far, the Mini has definitely excelled in this department.

And what of the auto 'box? Well, I'd still prefer a manual, but take over control of the six-speed Steptronic, via the steering wheel mounted paddles, and ratios are delivered surprisingly promptly. For sheer response, it's in a different league to the Clio's supposedly superior dual-clutch system, and the paddle movement is small, yet snappy, leaving no ambiguity as to whether you've shifted or not.


I had anticipated an uncompromising, jiggly ride from the big wheels, stiff sidewalls and switchable dampers, but once again, I was shocked by the reality. In its more comfortable setting, there's a healthy compliance that firms up nicely as the chassis loads. This option also reduces the steering weight, and it feels much more natural as a result.

Against all the odds, the JCW and I have got off to a good start. Looks aren't everything and character still counts for something, it seems (it's what I keep telling the missus). But, I still have some question marks. The grip from the run-flat Pirelli P7 Cinturatos hasn't inspired so far, particularly in the wet, and the steering is demonstrating MI5 levels of secrecy about what's happening beneath the front wheels. With a trip up to Scotland on the cards, I'll have much more opportunity to explore the capabilities of the hottest Mini yet. I'm looking forward to it, and judging by the pulsing red lights around the enormous circular central screen, so is the Mini.


FACT SHEET
Car
: Mini John Cooper Works
Run by: Danny Milner
On fleet since: May 2015
Mileage: 1,825
List price new: £31,945 (Basic list of £24,445 plus £750 for Rebel Green paint, £1,400 for Media Pack XL, £2,470 for Chili Pack, £240 for variable damper control, £140 for run-flat tyres, £220 for sun protection glass, £215 for seat heating, £210 for Mini Yours fibre alloy interior, £590 for Park Distance Control, £150 for LED headlights, £590 for Harman Kardon hi-fi, £140 for intelligent emergency calling, £450 for head-up display)





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dukebox9reg

Original Poster:

1,571 posts

148 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Shame they have lowered the rev limit. My mk 2 S engine revs out to 6.5k

Auto box sounds a lot better now by all accounts. The one is mine seems a bit last gen. Being worse on fuel and slower than the manual.

Quick query though. Are BMW/Mini still using the weird push pull arrangement on the paddles? (push down on either the left or right paddle to shift down and pull on either to shift up) I actually quite like it.

spodrod

224 posts

150 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Ive got the Cinturatos on my Golf GTI - they really arent the best...

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Not hard to see why they picked autos with 'launch control' for the press launch

Headline-grabbing 0-60 stats maybe?

0-60 in 5.7 is quick for fwd


kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Looks vile and by the sounds of it doesn't do much better at what appeals to me in a car to drive. I wouldn't pay 15k for one, let alone more than twice that.

Goatex

164 posts

147 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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dukebox9reg said:
Quick query though. Are BMW/Mini still using the weird push pull arrangement on the paddles? (push down on either the left or right paddle to shift down and pull on either to shift up) I actually quite like it.
Driven one of these and an M235i recently - the right paddle is up and the left is down so, no they are not. You'll have to go for a non Sports Design steering wheeled Porsche with PDK if you want push pull paddles. Had a go in Cayman with that set up and struggled to get used to it although I'm sure given time it would become second nature.

em177

3,131 posts

164 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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kambites said:
Looks vile and by the sounds of it doesn't do much better at what appeals to me in a car to drive. I wouldn't pay 15k for one, let alone more than twice that.
Really? Was it not 1994 since top spec hot hatches were £15k?

Drive one and come back.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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em177 said:
kambites said:
Looks vile and by the sounds of it doesn't do much better at what appeals to me in a car to drive. I wouldn't pay 15k for one, let alone more than twice that.
Really? Was it not 1994 since top spec hot hatches were £15k?

Drive one and come back.
Peering at some new Minis at our local dealer - you're looking at £25k for a reasonably specced Cooper and £29k for a Cooper S, so £32k for this isn't that surprising.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable though.

ads_green

838 posts

232 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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GTEYE said:
Peering at some new Minis at our local dealer - you're looking at £25k for a reasonably specced Cooper and £29k for a Cooper S, so £32k for this isn't that surprising.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable though.
Can you define "reasonable" spec? We ticked pretty much all the options bar things like harmon kadon etc for a cooper S and it was 25k.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Two problems:

The way it looks
The amount being charged

fk that.

Type R Tom

3,864 posts

149 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Makes the civic look like a bargain!

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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GTEYE said:
em177 said:
kambites said:
Looks vile and by the sounds of it doesn't do much better at what appeals to me in a car to drive. I wouldn't pay 15k for one, let alone more than twice that.
Really? Was it not 1994 since top spec hot hatches were £15k?

Drive one and come back.
Peering at some new Minis at our local dealer - you're looking at £25k for a reasonably specced Cooper and £29k for a Cooper S, so £32k for this isn't that surprising.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable though.
I wouldn't pay more than about £15k for a 4-pot hatch. - We bought a used, well-specced R56 JCW in September. It's a fun little terrier of a thing but not in the same league as some of the other stuff you could get your hands on for under £30k now (M135i, WRX, 370Z etc.).

AH33

2,066 posts

135 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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It's for girls, like all minis.

Type R Tom

3,864 posts

149 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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ash73 said:
And Hondas are for OAPs rolleyes
I drove the old supercharged and turbo mini in 2009 before I bought my Civic and really liked them as a drivers car but they aren't practical enough which sort of defeats the object of a hot hatch to me. My civic could take 4 adults comfortably with luggage for a week away, as well as 2 bikes with their wheels on once the rear seats were down. The mini couldn't do that and was older for my budget, that's why I had to discount it and I can't imagine that changing with this model compared to Golf, ST, Type R etc. it can't do very well a lot of what hot hatches are about.

Type R Tom

3,864 posts

149 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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ash73 said:
I wasn't criticising the Honda.
Yeah I know, I can see the eyes! Just got me thinking that's all!

V8A*ndy

3,695 posts

191 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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Goatex said:
dukebox9reg said:
Quick query though. Are BMW/Mini still using the weird push pull arrangement on the paddles? (push down on either the left or right paddle to shift down and pull on either to shift up) I actually quite like it.
Driven one of these and an M235i recently - the right paddle is up and the left is down so, no they are not. You'll have to go for a non Sports Design steering wheeled Porsche with PDK if you want push pull paddles. Had a go in Cayman with that set up and struggled to get used to it although I'm sure given time it would become second nature.
Thanks for posting that about the PDK. I thought they had gone the same way as BMW.

The push pull was dropped, as I believe BMW got slated for it. One of the reasons I bought a BMW was because of the push pull arrangement.

I have terrible problems with one of my hands/arm and this setup was perfect. Does become second nature after a while. I would have no issue with it even if I wasn't disabled.




redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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It's a pity it does not look as good as older models as it's got a nicer interior and drives great price is high but most buy on lease deals if you don,t need a large car this is a well built quality product .

W124

1,526 posts

138 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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I drove a car very much like that, maybe that one, at Millbrook and I too though it might be lame but as a package, and possibly because rather than in spite of, the gearbox, I loved it. Only a short drive of course but it really comes together that car. Here are my hastily written notes on it. "Mini JCW - Auto - Excellent, Fast, Pointy - surprisingly good ride - gearbox quick and suits car against expectations - brakes natural assistance low servo - head up display - quite soft in driving style - a hoot - dashboard and controls a bit much - strong noise - toontown - a hoot"

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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ads_green said:
GTEYE said:
Peering at some new Minis at our local dealer - you're looking at £25k for a reasonably specced Cooper and £29k for a Cooper S, so £32k for this isn't that surprising.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable though.
Can you define "reasonable" spec? We ticked pretty much all the options bar things like harmon kadon etc for a cooper S and it was 25k.
The ones I saw were chilli/auto/leather/nav/sunroof/parking sensors/upgraded wheels/led lights etc etc, it soon adds up

em177

3,131 posts

164 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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GTEYE said:
ads_green said:
GTEYE said:
Peering at some new Minis at our local dealer - you're looking at £25k for a reasonably specced Cooper and £29k for a Cooper S, so £32k for this isn't that surprising.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable though.
Can you define "reasonable" spec? We ticked pretty much all the options bar things like harmon kadon etc for a cooper S and it was 25k.
The ones I saw were chilli/auto/leather/nav/sunroof/parking sensors/upgraded wheels/led lights etc etc, it soon adds up
I would class the above as a little more than 'reasonable' spec.

MaxA

238 posts

144 months

Friday 12th June 2015
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Maybe it's just me, but if you tick every box on the spec list, on any modern BMW/Merc/Audi/MINI/VW etc, you need to live with the price consequences and stop whinging about the cost. We can all play with the configurators and get to ridiculous prices, but if you show a little restraint and focus on the essentials (visibility/drivng position/gearbox/suspension/brakes), the OTR price may not be that bad.