New 991 Turbo owner - exhaust question
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Hello all,
I recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
I recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
We've sold a couple of the Sharkwerks exhausts for the 991 Turbo which makes them sound a lot nicer and gives them a supercar note that they need!
More details and videos can be seen here:
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=422
More details and videos can be seen here:
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=422
I do agree with you. I have a 991 Turbo Cab. The performance is as good as the 458 I came out of but yes the exhaust note is pants on idle/ revving. I have noticed that the note is getting louder & more throaty since hitting 1700 miles on the clock. It gets a lot louder if you have Sports or Sports + on.
I'd also be interested in hearing from any Turbo/ GT3 owners who've fitted an aftermarket exhaust. Do OPCs kick you in the nuts when you sell it or are they ok with them?
I'd also be interested in hearing from any Turbo/ GT3 owners who've fitted an aftermarket exhaust. Do OPCs kick you in the nuts when you sell it or are they ok with them?
Hi Snoop, what tempted you to leave the 458 for the 911 Turbo? How have you found the move across? Was worried I would miss the exoticness of the Maserati (not that the Granturismo and 458 are comparable!) but the Porsche has been a revelation. Honestly hadn't ever considered one, I came to the conclusion I should get one based on wanting a new "supercar" but with the consideration of having a driveway and a semi detached house - a 458 or Gallardo on a driveway would be asking for trouble, so I concluded I had a choice between 911, R8 and SLS through a process of elimination! The 911 was a no brainer from there. If it wasn't for this consideration I would have got a 458, but in many respects I am glad I was "restricted" and had to choose the 911 as it has been a real eye opener.
I spoke with a friend who has a mate with an aftermarket exhaust, he said it sounds superb! However, I checked in with the chap I bought mine from and he has said it would void the warranty, which is a bit scary.....
I spoke with a friend who has a mate with an aftermarket exhaust, he said it sounds superb! However, I checked in with the chap I bought mine from and he has said it would void the warranty, which is a bit scary.....
Speaking from experience it will invalidate your warranty but if you have a good relationship with your OPC they may turn a blind eye.
However, from my experience, when it comes to time for extending the warranty (either 2 or 3 years) they will not extend with a non-oem exhaust...
I fitted a Europipe to my 997 Turbo and was very pleased with the quality and improved sound.
However, from my experience, when it comes to time for extending the warranty (either 2 or 3 years) they will not extend with a non-oem exhaust...
I fitted a Europipe to my 997 Turbo and was very pleased with the quality and improved sound.
w5pwr said:
Speaking from experience it will invalidate your warranty but if you have a good relationship with your OPC they may turn a blind eye.
However, from my experience, when it comes to time for extending the warranty (either 2 or 3 years) they will not extend with a non-oem exhaust...
I fitted a Europipe to my 997 Turbo and was very pleased with the quality and improved sound.
+1 for Europipe. Just stick the OEM box back on if you have a major warranty issue. For minor issues they probably may not care. However, from my experience, when it comes to time for extending the warranty (either 2 or 3 years) they will not extend with a non-oem exhaust...
I fitted a Europipe to my 997 Turbo and was very pleased with the quality and improved sound.
Simon it was very hard to be honest. The 458 is an absolute beast but I could not drive it to & use for work as it really stands out. I had to leave it at home & drive a lesser car so only used it a couple of times a week.
I had a 997 Turbo cab before getting the 458, absolutely loved the 458 but it was depreciating (like all cars do) & as I wasn't using it much I decided she had to go.
I'd say the 911 Turbo would have the 458 on 0-60 & round a track because of the 4WD. It doesn't stand out so much so I get to use it every day for work & can park in public areas without fear of vandalism or theft.
I absolutely love my 911 Turbo cab, I do get compliments in it but nowhere as many as the 458 attracted, which isn't a bad thing. When you compare the list price of both, the 911 is fantastic value being about 45% cheaper than the 458, but is still a Supercar & hits 0-60 in 3.2secs with sports +.
I'm very tempted with an aftermarket exhaust but want to get into a new GT3 or GT3 RS. I have advance orders in but who knows how long it will take for me to be in one...... I a, hoping there will be Gen 2 models with the facelift being announced around September.
Your old car sounds the nuts but you're in a proper Supercar now! Enjoy! Post a pic of yours. I will then post a pic of mine.
I had a 997 Turbo cab before getting the 458, absolutely loved the 458 but it was depreciating (like all cars do) & as I wasn't using it much I decided she had to go.
I'd say the 911 Turbo would have the 458 on 0-60 & round a track because of the 4WD. It doesn't stand out so much so I get to use it every day for work & can park in public areas without fear of vandalism or theft.
I absolutely love my 911 Turbo cab, I do get compliments in it but nowhere as many as the 458 attracted, which isn't a bad thing. When you compare the list price of both, the 911 is fantastic value being about 45% cheaper than the 458, but is still a Supercar & hits 0-60 in 3.2secs with sports +.
I'm very tempted with an aftermarket exhaust but want to get into a new GT3 or GT3 RS. I have advance orders in but who knows how long it will take for me to be in one...... I a, hoping there will be Gen 2 models with the facelift being announced around September.
Your old car sounds the nuts but you're in a proper Supercar now! Enjoy! Post a pic of yours. I will then post a pic of mine.
IMI A said:
+1 for Europipe. Just stick the OEM box back on if you have a major warranty issue. For minor issues they probably may not care.
Hi Imran hope you well - saw your car in the mag recently - awesome!!Are you sure about this though - Ken told me for most after market exhausts, you have to remap the car a little and this in turn puts a 'count' on the car's ECU that cannot be wiped. When renewing Warranty I would imagine that this sort of thing would be checked by the OPC and chances are they would not renew it..Happy to be corrected on this however.
In terms of muffler swap, pay your money take your choice. Lots of options. Personally I went with a cargraphic muffler delete and 200 cell sport cats. It's louder but not silly, not as loud as an otherwise stock Maserati but with valves fixed open. 200 cell cats don't normally trigger a CEL. Catless or anything less than 200 cell will.
Ensure you inform your insurer about any mods. Mine didn't care - Admiral.
In terms of warranty, no Porsche approved extended warranty (an insurance policy) can be issued when any part on the car is a non OEM Porsche part (including a replacement of the PoS Moll OEM battery with a higher quality component). Were you to have OEM kit on the car to permit warranty extension, then change it to aftermarket for normal use - up to you.
For the new car warranty the EU block exemption for motor vehicles specifically prohibits warranty avoidance where non OEM parts are fitted, provided they are of reasonable quality and the non OEM part doesn't cause the problem. So were you to change the muffler and a change over valve fails (very regular 991 fault), the replacement change over valve has nothing to do with the muffler and new car warranty terms apply. That doesn't prevent an OPC from saying no if they are worried that a PCGB warranty audit will deny their claim. If so, try another dealer. Obviously the Porsche warranty will not cover a failure of the replacement muffler.
If the engine goes pop with an aftermarket muffler, you should be fine as Porsche AG would need to prove that the muffler caused the engine to pop. Extremely unlikely, given a muffler is a tube with some stuffing in it. But wouldn't put it past them to try, in which case you can either go legal or not give them the opportunity by not having a replacement muffler on the vehicle at time of recovery to OPC.
Ensure you inform your insurer about any mods. Mine didn't care - Admiral.
In terms of warranty, no Porsche approved extended warranty (an insurance policy) can be issued when any part on the car is a non OEM Porsche part (including a replacement of the PoS Moll OEM battery with a higher quality component). Were you to have OEM kit on the car to permit warranty extension, then change it to aftermarket for normal use - up to you.
For the new car warranty the EU block exemption for motor vehicles specifically prohibits warranty avoidance where non OEM parts are fitted, provided they are of reasonable quality and the non OEM part doesn't cause the problem. So were you to change the muffler and a change over valve fails (very regular 991 fault), the replacement change over valve has nothing to do with the muffler and new car warranty terms apply. That doesn't prevent an OPC from saying no if they are worried that a PCGB warranty audit will deny their claim. If so, try another dealer. Obviously the Porsche warranty will not cover a failure of the replacement muffler.
If the engine goes pop with an aftermarket muffler, you should be fine as Porsche AG would need to prove that the muffler caused the engine to pop. Extremely unlikely, given a muffler is a tube with some stuffing in it. But wouldn't put it past them to try, in which case you can either go legal or not give them the opportunity by not having a replacement muffler on the vehicle at time of recovery to OPC.
berty37 said:
IMI A said:
+1 for Europipe. Just stick the OEM box back on if you have a major warranty issue. For minor issues they probably may not care.
Hi Imran hope you well - saw your car in the mag recently - awesome!!Are you sure about this though - Ken told me for most after market exhausts, you have to remap the car a little and this in turn puts a 'count' on the car's ECU that cannot be wiped. When renewing Warranty I would imagine that this sort of thing would be checked by the OPC and chances are they would not renew it..Happy to be corrected on this however.
simong800 said:
Hello all,
I recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
Save your money for replacement tires.... just sayinI recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
I did a BBI exhaust system on my 991 Turbo S and it was all smiles until I drove on the Hwy cruising between 2,000-2,800 rpm in 7th the drone was eating my brain.
I installed the stock system and felt as though I bought a new adult car once again....So much better to be able to listen to the stereo and have a conversation.
No matter what the slight power gains are you won't feel it while driving.....
If someone says his new stupid money aftermarket exhaust system does not drone, that guy is just lying through his teeth....
I have a less than 1,000 mi. BBI exhaust for sale.....cheap
Here is a in car video/sound with the window down. You can hear the tone of the exhaust along with the annoying after a while off-throttle popping...
Ask for a in car sound clip at varying sustained RPM while cruising down the Hwy before you make a mistake that will just piss you off..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BTjMEu-7y0
Edited by the ronin on Thursday 11th June 20:41
the ronin said:
simong800 said:
Hello all,
I recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
Save your money for replacement tires.... just sayinI recently bought myself a 991 911 Turbo, my very first foray into the world of Porsche. In fact I hadn't really considered one before, this was a bit of an impulse buy (saw one in a dealer on the Monday and picked it up on the Friday!). Really pleased with the car so far, it is fantastic. Having come across from a Maserati Granturismo S, the one thing that I do miss is the noise. Not that the 911 noise isn't good, it really is. It's just the Maserati noise is something else (although it is a bit misleading if you were to do a noise versus pace comparison). In my opinion this is the only area in which the Maserati is a better car, and luckily it is one that can potentially be remedied!
My question is, has anyone upgraded to an aftermarket exhaust on their 991 Turbo? Any recommendations at all? And does doing this invalidate the warranty?
I have seen a few videos on YouTube but was keen for some first hand advice!
Many thanks in advance.
I did a BBI exhaust system on my 991 Turbo S and it was all smiles until I drove on the Hwy cruising between 2,000-2,800 rpm in 7th the drone was eating my brain.
I installed the stock system and felt as though I bought a new adult car once again....So much better to be able to listen to the stereo and have a conversation.
No matter what the slight power gains are you won't feel it while driving.....
If someone says his new stupid money aftermarket exhaust system does not drone, that guy is just lying through his teeth....
I have a less than 1,000 mi. BBI exhaust for sale.....cheap
Here is a in car video/sound with the window down. You can hear the tone of the exhaust along with the annoying after a while off-throttle popping...
Ask for a in car sound clip at varying sustained RPM while cruising down the Hwy before you make a mistake that will just piss you off..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BTjMEu-7y0
Edited by the ronin on Thursday 11th June 20:41
Edited by IMI A on Thursday 11th June 21:11
hondansx said:
I'm yet to hear a good sounding Turbo. Yep, they can be louder, but never exotic like the GT3 or even a Carrera with PSE.
Seems odd when you consider Mercedes and Ferrari seems to be able to make their turbocharged cars sound almost as good as the naturally aspirated versions.
They're V8s so this helps too. I'm really happy with my exhaust note and my wife has a Mercedes GL63 Bi Sexual which sounds magnificent. I accept her meat wagon sounds better but not much better. Stock exhaust on a 997t is feeble and the dfi engines are even quieterSeems odd when you consider Mercedes and Ferrari seems to be able to make their turbocharged cars sound almost as good as the naturally aspirated versions.
Who really cars what it sounds like as you pass others with the stereo on in comfort ?
I'd say every 991 Turbo owner that bought a stupid expensive noise maker is regretting changing out the stock exhaust system when they take a nice long drive down the Hwy....
I'd say every 991 Turbo owner that bought a stupid expensive noise maker is regretting changing out the stock exhaust system when they take a nice long drive down the Hwy....
Edited by the ronin on Friday 12th June 16:12
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