RE: BMW heads black to the future

RE: BMW heads black to the future

Friday 3rd July 2015

BMW heads black to the future

Hot-looking hydrogen prototype shocker



The big problem with most environmental concept cars is that they're incredibly boring, for the most part hinting at an age where we'll glide around in pods while wearing spangly white space suits.

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So full credit to BMW for apparently following the example set by Back to the Future's 'Doc' Emmet Brown and his justification for using an Delorean: "the way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?"

Replace "time machine" with "hydrogen fuel cell" and you've got this, one of the company's fuel cell research vehicles, a heavily modified i8.

Finished in exposed carbon fibre it looks appropriately mean and futuristic, with a heavily revised front end and modified bodywork to make it even more aerodynamically slippery. The big air intakes at the front are necessary to deal with cooling, and although the company is being coy about the exact technical layout it's reported that the fuel cell is mounted where the three-cylinder engine normally goes. This is fed by an on-board hydrogen tank and produces electricity that drives a rear mounted electric motor.

Better aero = better mpg
Better aero = better mpg
The power output is given as 245hp - considerably less than the petrol-electric drivetrain of the regular i8 - but still enough to deliver a sub-6 second 0-62mph time.

Of course, we're still a long way from being able to buy a hydrogen-fuelled road car we can top up at the local Asda, but there's certainly an appeal in the idea of a future including cars that don't require you to haul around several hundred kilos of batteries. Apparently this i8 has recently been taken out of use, with BMW's move to jointly develop fuel cell technology with Toyota moving things onto a new generation of prototypes.

Keep making them look like this, and we might stay interested.





   

 

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gsuk1

Original Poster:

121 posts

151 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Your spot on about the interest of 'green cars' most of them are so dull and boring. BMW are the only people who seem to make the cars looks cool and futuristic.

jonnM

1,102 posts

139 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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vomit

Looks like something from the "Badly Modified Cars" thread.

JackManny1

23 posts

109 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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This would look epic if it wasn't for those extended, boxy rear fenders IMO... I know, aerodynamics and all that!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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I'd be very interested in one of these if they had 8 fuel cells arranged in a V formation smile

bagseye

111 posts

177 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Love the styling, it reminds me for some reason of the police cars in Robocop. Must be the colour.

And I really hope they get this hydrogen business sorted, it excites me far more than current green technologies.

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Why haul around several hundred kilos of batteries when you can haul around several hundred kilos of hydrogen tank, fuel cell and batteries too!

RobinBanks

17,540 posts

179 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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It looks awful and homemade. The wheels are terrible and the bodywork (especially in matte black) looks like it was mocked up out of filler.

Fetchez la vache

5,572 posts

214 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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article said:
it looks appropriately mean and futuristic,
In a "I'm in 1970. What will the future look like?" kind of way.

I think this was in Logan's run.

new666uk

184 posts

118 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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BMW have been playing with this hydrogen tech for a long time. There was a 760 v12 out in limiuted numbers about a decade ago...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

McAndy

12,456 posts

177 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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They abandoned the hydrogen ICE a few years ago. Having previously worked with fuel cells, I'm interested to see how things develop.

Oakman

326 posts

158 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Didn't Michael Knight have one of those......?



McAndy

12,456 posts

177 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Oakman said:
Didn't Michael Knight have one of those......?
Not quite, his was a kit.

Fastdruid

8,643 posts

152 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Mermaid said:
Trouble with that was that it lacked both range and power.

Hydrogen is an almost perfect fuel apart from the storage aspect and that is what needs solving. frown
All the rest is easy, you can run a normal petrol car with minimum modifications on hydrogen.

I'm curious as to what the range on this vs the electric i8 is though.

pSyCoSiS

3,597 posts

205 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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I can see shades of the XJ220 in certain angles.

Turbobanana

6,271 posts

201 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Memo to: Head of Origami Studies, Bavarian School of Origami
From: BMW Chief Executive
Subject: Latest Concept Car

Please use the enclosed sheet of black paper to create new concept car. Also find enclosed some donuts you can use for the wheels.

Danke.

hufggfg

654 posts

193 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Fastdruid said:
Hydrogen is an almost perfect fuel apart from the storage aspect and that is what needs solving. frown
All the rest is easy, you can run a normal petrol car with minimum modifications on hydrogen.
I don't follow the hydrogen tech side of things much, but I thought the other huge problem was the production of high enough quality hydrogen? Effectively you have to produce it by electrolysis of water, which requires huge amounts of energy, so completely negates the benefits of a lower energy loss from a hydrogen fuel cell power train.

2Btoo

3,426 posts

203 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Fastdruid said:
Hydrogen is an almost perfect fuel apart from the storage aspect and that is what needs solving. frown
Storage and distribution. Hydrogen isn't known for it's friendly and sociable nature, and needs to be kept very cold if it is not to boil away into the atmosphere.

Hydrogen cars are the future. But the distribution and storage problems will need to be overcome, and I can't see that happening. The inferior alternative is battery storage of energy and charging off the mains grid; something which is already in place and proven, and much less hassle than H2. It's highly likely therefore that hydrogen cars won't ever become mainstream, which is a shame.

ctallchris

1,266 posts

179 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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There is a difference between the Mazda and old BMW hydrogen cars which burn hydrogen in a modified engine and hydrogen fuel cells.

If the only objection to electric cars is 240 miles is too little (The Toyota Mirai costs $60,000), hydrogen fuel cells are good but an expensive alternative to an ampera / other plug in hybrid.

If you dislike electric cars for other reasons you will not like a hydrogen fuel cell car because they are the same thing.

The only people i can imagine making a decent business case for a hydrogen fueled internal combustion engine are cars that get driven short mileages because burning hydrogen in an engine will cost a minimum of twice what petrol does even when the infrastructure is mature so caterham. Also they will sound like old diesels unless the manufacturer does a good job of disguising the noise because hydrogen burns rapidly making a sharper tone than petrol / diesils.

Still i am happy that someone is investing because the fuel cells will eventually need to replace the engines in the amperas.

Fastdruid

8,643 posts

152 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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2Btoo said:
Fastdruid said:
Hydrogen is an almost perfect fuel apart from the storage aspect and that is what needs solving. frown
Storage and distribution. Hydrogen isn't known for it's friendly and sociable nature, and needs to be kept very cold if it is not to boil away into the atmosphere.

Hydrogen cars are the future. But the distribution and storage problems will need to be overcome, and I can't see that happening. The inferior alternative is battery storage of energy and charging off the mains grid; something which is already in place and proven, and much less hassle than H2. It's highly likely therefore that hydrogen cars won't ever become mainstream, which is a shame.
Hydrogen is great, weight for weight three times as energy dense as petrol. Trouble is though that even when liquefied it only contains 1/4 of the energy of the same volume of petrol but needs a hefty tank and is tricky to keep there (high pressures or super cooling).

Distribution isn't tricky if the storage issue is solved. We manage distribution of petrol perfectly fine after all and I see no reason why (if storage was solved) we wouldn't have hydrogen tankers instead of petrol tankers.

IIRC Best solutions so far seem to be nano-sponges but I have no idea how good they are for storage or how close that is to reality let alone production.