RE: Niche works if you can get it: PH Blog

RE: Niche works if you can get it: PH Blog

Thursday 16th July 2015

Niche works if you can get it: PH Blog

From ardent cynic to happy victim, Dale's done something impulsive



It's easy to be cynical about today's automotive 'niche' culture. The manufacturers' brochures and websites are burdened with a dozen new mix-and-match models every month. After a day driving the Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 - basically a cross between an Arabian Stallion and a hippo - I was feeling particularly down about it all. "Who actually buys these things?" I pondered.

280 reasons Dale felt he had to
280 reasons Dale felt he had to
I'm 'only' 35 years old, but my total lack of understanding for such a big new product made me feel a little out of touch. Like my dad listening to Eminem for the first time, I felt uncomfortable and bewildered that I would hate something that so many others obviously loved. And that feeling didn't improve when I pondered other such heinous 'niche' crimes as the Nissan Juke, BMW X4 and the utterly tragic 5 Series GT, all of which find a lot of customers despite what we might think about them.

If you want to point a finger, then I guess the rot started way back with the Ford Model T - 14 different body styles over 18 years? But in modern times it has to be the Germans who have really pushed this manifesto. After almost missing the boat many years ago, BMW finally joined the party with an E30 estate. And that was only after an employee took it upon himself to build the prototype with his own money and time.

But from there, the growth of the niche car was explosive. Production lines were optimised, shared platforms improved. Suddenly smaller volumes of car could still turn the same profit. And here I am, whinging about the world changing when actually I should be pretty damn happy about it. Because after being such a critic for so long, the niche car strategy just sucker-punched me good and proper. Yes, somebody deep inside the Volkswagen Group pulled the handle on the much-suspected MQB randomiserand it spat out a spec sheet for another variation on the rebadged Golf we've learned to both love and hate.

Orange bits yes, but no Performance Pack
Orange bits yes, but no Performance Pack
Like a laser-guided bomb being fired through a first-storey window from 1,000 miles away, the video of the SEAT Leon Cupra ST 280 going sub-eight around the Nurburgring appeared in my social media feed, and I knew I had to have it. Fast estates are just, in my eyes, wonderful things. Niche or not. Audi RS2s, Volvo 850Rs .... these are the stuff of legend for a dog-owning, MTB-riding, father of two. So I just broke my own golden rule and bought a brand-new car from a main dealer.

There have never been more niche cars on the market than now, and for every nine people who despises them there'll be a 10th who literally cannot pull out his wallet quick enough. And, today, that was me.

Dale

[We checked with Dale and, no, he didn't get the much vaunted 'Sub8' Performance Pack. Why? Apparently it wasn't available with the deal offered, you could only have it with DSG and an aftermarket brake upgrade will - will - be cheaper. - Ed.]

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Fetchez la vache

Original Poster:

5,572 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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article said:
...a dog-owning, MTB-riding, father of two.
I'm one of them too. Is that why I want one of these as well? scratchchin

JackReacher

2,126 posts

215 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Love fast estates, just don't have the family to warrant one.

Like the Cupra ST, "hyper hatch" performance and handling with more luggage space than a 5 series touring.

What happened to the red "poverty spec" one?

Zoin

128 posts

140 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Niche? Really? I'd say a fast estate is about as mainstream as it gets.

moorejam

15 posts

120 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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I wanted one of those Seat's too, but the articles say that you cannot have a tow bar and I need one? Does anybody know if this is actually true, or is it just that the deal won't supply one?

Dale Lomas

218 posts

155 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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moorejam said:
I wanted one of those Seat's too, but the articles say that you cannot have a tow bar and I need one? Does anybody know if this is actually true, or is it just that the deal won't supply one?
yeah, not type-approved for a tow bar. But I'm hoping where there's a will, there's a way.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Zoin said:
Niche? Really? I'd say a fast estate is about as mainstream as it gets.
I agreed, if you want something that handles like a proper car, is quick and has plenty of space it's an obvious choice. If anything, a sporty MPV or SUV should be the niche options.

McAndy

12,438 posts

177 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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I'd be interested to know how practical you find the load space. I had a nosey around an ST estate at Wilton, but the boot seemed smaller than my Mk2 Mondeo (seats up). While the quoted volume seats up is 87 litres more than the Mondeo, you'll have to lose your rear visibility to achieve that. The reality is probably nearer 250 litres once the security cover is pulled across. If your children are young enough to still require one, please do a puschair / weekend away test for me, with photographs!

Jeff101

63 posts

214 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Love the car and the Hoover GoPro modification....
Any chance of a passenger lap at DN12 Dale?

(Last year you gave me a free track day after all!!)

Regards

Dale Lomas

218 posts

155 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Jeff101 said:
Love the car and the Hoover GoPro modification....
Any chance of a passenger lap at DN12 Dale?

(Last year you gave me a free track day after all!!)

Regards
Passenger seat might well become available, but I'm on coaching duty, so that comes first. wink

robm3

4,927 posts

227 months

Monday 20th July 2015
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I suspect this is one particular vehicle that is going to have a few warranty claims in it's first few years...

TheBALDpuma

5,842 posts

168 months

Monday 20th July 2015
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McAndy said:
I'd be interested to know how practical you find the load space. I had a nosey around an ST estate at Wilton, but the boot seemed smaller than my Mk2 Mondeo (seats up). While the quoted volume seats up is 87 litres more than the Mondeo, you'll have to lose your rear visibility to achieve that. The reality is probably nearer 250 litres once the security cover is pulled across. If your children are young enough to still require one, please do a puschair / weekend away test for me, with photographs!
I am with you on this. I have a Mondeo ST220, and some of these golf sized estate load spaces have massive quoted volume. I just simply don't believe they are bigger. It just isn't possible!

Hub

6,433 posts

198 months

Monday 20th July 2015
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The Cupra estate is a niche product, as in not many people will buy one compared to the hatch, but it is still a standard body platform and not in the same vein as the efforts to mine all the weird different bodystyles of BMW, Audi and Mercedes. That jacked up 4x4 version of the Leon is more like it though!

McAndy said:
I'd be interested to know how practical you find the load space. I had a nosey around an ST estate at Wilton, but the boot seemed smaller than my Mk2 Mondeo (seats up). While the quoted volume seats up is 87 litres more than the Mondeo, you'll have to lose your rear visibility to achieve that. The reality is probably nearer 250 litres once the security cover is pulled across. If your children are young enough to still require one, please do a puschair / weekend away test for me, with photographs!
Focus ST estate isn't the biggest out there - Octavia is huge, Golf pretty big too - but it is still pretty good. I can fit the 'travel system' in lengthways and fit in a lot more stuff than my old Golf hatch.

Some estates are pretty useless due to the relatively shallow and not actually that long load area (Volvo V60 springs to mind, E91 3 Series that I looked at was surprisingly small, and there are 'niche' estates such as the Mercedes CLA shooting brake that are more about form than function).

McAndy

12,438 posts

177 months

Monday 20th July 2015
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TheBALDpuma said:
I am with you on this. I have a Mondeo ST220, and some of these golf sized estate load spaces have massive quoted volume. I just simply don't believe they are bigger. It just isn't possible!
Exactly. Lovely in theory; false in practice!