RE: Singer: PH Meets (yes, again!)

RE: Singer: PH Meets (yes, again!)

Thursday 16th July 2015

Singer: PH Meets (yes, again!)

PH chats Targas, engine upgrades and more with Singer's Rob Dickinson on a recent visit to the UK



All at Goodwood this year can't have failed to notice the presence of Singer Vehicle Design. The 'Montreal' Targa was surrounded by admirers on the Cartier concours lawn, similarly the 'London' Coupe in the supercar run. Wherever the cars go, the crowds will follow; Goodwood was the first official European visit of Singer but of course everyone knew and loved the cars already. The Internet has its uses after all...

A nondescript studio never looked so good
A nondescript studio never looked so good
So with the vehicles and the people of Singer in the UK for a few additional days and the opportunity to view them up close (the cars...), the invite was very keenly accepted.

Even in a studio that will never show the cars off in the best light, they are completely captivating. We all know they are by now but the opportunity to pore over one without a phone in your periphery or the sense of being a hindrance is a real privilege. That perfect stance, the flawless finish, the gorgeous little details... again, the obsessive perfectionism of Rob Dickinson and his crew at Singer is widely known but there's another level of appreciation once it's been viewed in close proximity.

The main draw of the event is the Targa, Singer's first and eventually bound for Montreal. Another Targa, gold apparently, will be seen at Monterey in August and there are half a dozen or so in build at present but this one will do just nicely actually. Rob speaks of each restoration project being a "collaborative process" and that "special requests" are accommodated wherever possible; this car was intended very much as a less showy Singer creation, a point proven when compared with the 'London' coupe five metres away. See the lack of Porsche graphics or stripes, the visible oil and petrol caps being omitted and, most obviously, the grey paint. As always though, it's the magnificent details that are so special; the slight bronze tint in the nickel roll hoop (picked up again in the paint fleck and the brake calipers), the intricately packaged roof in the front and the impeccable upholstery. There's even a subwoofer disguised under the rear seat - bet you weren't expecting that...

This is Rob from Singer. He likes perfect
This is Rob from Singer. He likes perfect
Furthermore, this Targa is significant for introducing the new Ed Pink 4.0-litre engine. We've heard a few details of this engine already but hearing Rob detail it with such enthusiasm and knowledge is a real treat. "An absolute monster in a very good way" is how he describes it, retaining the revvy nature of the 3.8 but with "just more everywhere". The focus was on lightening reciprocating masses while maintaining drivability, to make it as useable around town as it is on track. The AEM ECU is credited with doing a superb management job. Peak power is at 7,200rpm so the limiter is 7,300rpm; Rob is adamant it would comfortably go to 8,500rpm. Dear Lord...

The car has recently been with Road and Track too, where it posted a 3.3-second 0-60mph time, an 11.7-second quarter mile and 1:35.1 around Laguna Seca. It weighed in at 2,743lbs, which is 1,244kg. Or about what a Subaru BRZ weighs.

Unsurprisingly then there is a huge amount of demand for the Targa at the moment. Apparently a Coupe owner saw the latest creation at Goodwood and has comisssioned a restoration project of his own to join it... As for the engine, pretty much every car leaving Singer now is a 4.0. Asked whether there is demand beyond this engine, Rob says "we might be able to do more".

Drawn away from the poking round the cars like a small child, the discussion of Singer's future is fascinating. TUV approval is the next big goal, opening up not only Germany but many other European markets as well. "It's something we knew was essential and that we've only got round to after five years" Rob explains. Other than that he's keen to reach a position "of some sort of calmness". The impression is now of Singer Vehicle Design being established, that the world knows what they're about and what they can achieve. Already a few of the early cars (38 have had the treatment) have sold on privately for more than the original project cost, the strong residuals a great reflection on the Singer brand and experience. Longevity and durability crop up as keywords, along with the goodwill of owners as Rob and his team attempt to perfect their reimagination of a Porsche 911. Remember how many of the parts are unique to the car; ensuring those will work in Bahrain, or in Indonesia or Montreal will clearly take some time.

Targa or coupe? One buyer is having both
Targa or coupe? One buyer is having both
Furthermore, if car choice is as much about the person as the vehicle then Rob is the perfect advert for his company. As we're chatting he constantly notices imperfections and minor blemishes ("there's s**t all over the bloody car", for example, on a car which looks pristine) and clearly will not stop until every aspect meets his exacting standards. "It makes me feel physically ill when I see stuff that needs to be fixed" he says, off to fetch Kent cleaner for the rubber seals. The fastidiousness is charming, heartening and a little concerning all at the same time. "I'm seeing a shrink" comes the justification.

We'll leave the philosophical debate on Singer and its work for the ensuing forum debate; what can be said from this is that the money every customer pays is evident in each panel gap, stitch and surface. Every aspect is meticulously, exquisitely finished, and that will surely be a huge part of the appeal to many. That they are magnificent to drive will surely seal it. But here's a sobering point to finish on - that 'Yoke Yellow' London Coupe was bought for just £13,000 a couple of years ago. Today the most affordable C2 964 manual on PH is nearly £50K. How expensive can this Porsche game get?











[Sources: Road&Track]

 

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RemyMartin

Original Poster:

6,759 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Im not a Porsche nut but those rather large and massively dished Fuchs alloys make me go all wobbly.

Wibble.

zeb

3,201 posts

218 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Have to say....they are a thing of beauty.....

marcgti6

1,340 posts

213 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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RemyMartin said:
Im not a Porsche nut but those rather large and massively dished Fuchs alloys make me go all wobbly.

Wibble.
Yep, same here.

That yellow coupe is porn!

Muzzer79

9,959 posts

187 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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RemyMartin said:
Im not a Porsche nut but those rather large and massively dished Fuchs alloys make me go all wobbly.

Wibble.
+1

Stunning car.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Get naked and slither into that leather.

Deerfoot

4,902 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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That targa is lovely.

Paper Lawyer

247 posts

229 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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A singer and an Eagle E-type low drag would be on my lottery list. I was watching (again) CH at Singer on //DRIVE only earlier this week. Sad to think the 964 is becoming so expensive though.

I note that the driver of the yellow coupe may be a supernatural ghost:



A long exposure was evidently used!

Edited by Paper Lawyer on Thursday 16th July 20:51

gentelman

183 posts

244 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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I like that the Targa is painted black metallic. And nice touches with the chrome. And when you drive off in it you can say "eat my dust you insensitive fk."

edbock

8 posts

224 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Pure bliss...Excuse my tears!

wtdoom

3,742 posts

208 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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What colour is that grey?

DonkeyApple

55,269 posts

169 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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No sports car from Porsche has really interested me since the early 80s Turbo, other than the CGT or 918. I watched on as they became fatter and duller until really losing complete interest around a decade ago when the weird bulbous one with the odd headlights surfaced. Today, I've begun to notice the latest ones as they seem more elegant than any have been for such a long time but these Singer creations are things of such beauty. They take the purest shape and drive and improve and add Englishness, our classic style and luxury. Wonderful things.

NelsonP

240 posts

139 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Undoubtedly beautiful cars, but it makes me wonder, has something gone wrong. We all seem to be hankering for the past a bit too much.

It's not just cars either. Average age of performers on the pyramid stage at Glastonbury this year was 43. In 1995 it was 29. Seems like we all want to live in 1990?

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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How much are we talking for the yellow one if it went on the open market? Roughly?

DonkeyApple

55,269 posts

169 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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NelsonP said:
Undoubtedly beautiful cars, but it makes me wonder, has something gone wrong. We all seem to be hankering for the past a bit too much.

It's not just cars either. Average age of performers on the pyramid stage at Glastonbury this year was 43. In 1995 it was 29. Seems like we all want to live in 1990?
What's the average age of people in the West with genuine disposable income? It's well over 55 and the largest demographic by far. That's one reason.

But also, the other reason is that the world has moved forward more rapidly in the last twenty years than at any other time in history and this will have triggered a desire for many who were born before the 90s to cling on to some aspecTs of the previous world while also there being a fascination from those born in it.

I think that I am possibly an example of this effect. I run a business that only exists because of modern tech and I love it. Yet, away from work I have little interest in tech and I suspect I've sold the last modern car I will own until old age makes it prudent to revert back. When it comes to driving I want to savour the pleasure of the analogue past for as long as I am physically able to. I have nothing against modern cars but I've got my dribbling and frail old age in which to sit in cars that do everything for me and warm my piles and sciatica. While I can I want to drive more primitive kit.

GFWilliams

4,941 posts

207 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Was lucky enough to shoot it when they were in London. Had a little ride in it too and it was just perfect. Want one so bad.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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NelsonP said:
Undoubtedly beautiful cars, but it makes me wonder, has something gone wrong. We all seem to be hankering for the past a bit too much.

It's not just cars either. Average age of performers on the pyramid stage at Glastonbury this year was 43. In 1995 it was 29. Seems like we all want to live in 1990?
Perhaps 1990 was perfect?

ChasW

2,135 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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Those of us in the age group in question have attitudes and opinions anchored in a time period when we were aspirational and dared to dream, hence many people referring to posters of cars on their bedroom walls displaying Countachs etc. For me the real disappointment is the brand extension of what where premium marques like BMW and Mercedes that are now just tarted-up commodities competing in virtually every segment; chasing volume. Whilst I appreciate their business motive, Porsche's 4x4 killed the brand for me. So, to witness the re-incarnation of the iconic 70's Porsche 911, as I see it, is miraculous. I love the Singer concept. I love the way they think and their single-mindedness and determination to improve without betraying the original designer's/engineer's values and intent. I wouldn't be seen dead in a Cayenne, Panamera or a modern 911 but I'd be tempted to blow a hole in my pension fund for a Singer. Nothing like the real deal.

fastgerman

1,914 posts

195 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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unsprung said:
Get naked and slither into that leather.
Smoooooth like a woman's butt

Hey man do you ever just rub ya leather

:-)

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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fastgerman said:
unsprung said:
Get naked and slither into that leather.
Smoooooth like a woman's butt

Hey man do you ever just rub ya leather

:-)
lol hehe

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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wtdoom said:
What colour is that grey?
After squinting at the pictures for a minute or two, I'm pretty sure it's grey.

HTH.