New Supercar noise law for London :-(

New Supercar noise law for London :-(

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fatboy18

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2 sMoKiN bArReLs

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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Sounds like a good plan! (especially the loud music thing biggrin)

red_duke

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180 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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That's Shmee out of business then.

fatboy18

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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red_duke said:
That's Shmee out of business then.
Sounds like all of us frown
Illegal to be in a Convoy FFS rage

ghiblicup

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213 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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What would happen if you changed down and the engine blipped automatically ?


MitchT

15,788 posts

208 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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Alienate a bunch of super rich people who turn up to spend money in your town. Clever!

cgt2

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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fatboy18 said:
ounds like all of us frown
Illegal to be in a Convoy FFS rage
Not all of us enjoy infantile behaviour smile

randlemarcus

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230 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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cgt2 said:
Not all of us enjoy infantile behaviour smile
Indeed. But do you think it's a good idea to be subjective in a law? Obviously, your definition of infantile doesn't match the drivers. So, is it at all possible that the acceleration perception of a local government enforcement officer could be lower than your own? Does the engine need to be off at all lights, even on cars without Stop/Start?

cgt2

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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randlemarcus said:
Indeed. But do you think it's a good idea to be subjective in a law? Obviously, your definition of infantile doesn't match the drivers. So, is it at all possible that the acceleration perception of a local government enforcement officer could be lower than your own? Does the engine need to be off at all lights, even on cars without Stop/Start?
Not at all. But I'm sure we have all witnessed silly behaviour in Central London which spoils it for those of us who do abide by laws, respect other people and have no interest in showing off. I read the proposal to mean switching engines off when idling, not necessarily at lights. I'm sure this will only target those behaving in an obnoxious or aggressive manner, which one hopes would rule out the majority of people on this site.

fatboy18

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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cgt2 said:
fatboy18 said:
ounds like all of us frown
Illegal to be in a Convoy FFS rage
Not all of us enjoy infantile behaviour smile
So infantile behaviour to you would be 20+ Ferraris meeting in our capital city all driving along in convoy for a day out at Cliveden House?

cgt2

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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fatboy18 said:
o infantile behaviour to you would be 20+ Ferraris meeting in our capital city all driving along in convoy for a day out at Cliveden House?
No, infantile would be if they were driven aggressively in such a way as to intimidate other drivers and cause nuisance to others. I was involved with the Cliveden meets right from the start and it always used to be a great experience with like minded enthusiasts. In later years I have seen much more aggressive driving and several near misses, I certainly have no desire to be taken out by someone showboating who thinks they are Lewis Hamilton on the public road.

fatboy18

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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cgt2 said:
fatboy18 said:
o infantile behaviour to you would be 20+ Ferraris meeting in our capital city all driving along in convoy for a day out at Cliveden House?
No, infantile would be if they were driven aggressively in such a way as to intimidate other drivers and cause nuisance to others. I was involved with the Cliveden meets right from the start and it always used to be a great experience with like minded enthusiasts. In later years I have seen much more aggressive driving and several near misses, I certainly have no desire to be taken out by someone showboating who thinks they are Lewis Hamilton on the public road.
Fair enough, I agree with your points but the trouble would be the new / incoming law would not differentiate between the two! so if you happened to think you were driving sensibly the council enforcement officer may not!

We already have laws for 'Driving with undue care and attention' 'Reckless driving' 'Racing on a public highway' we do not need any more bloody laws.

cgt2

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Sunday 26th July 2015
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fatboy18 said:
Fair enough, I agree with your points but the trouble would be the new / incoming law would not differentiate between the two! so if you happened to think you were driving sensibly the council enforcement officer may not!

We already have laws for 'Driving with undue care and attention' 'Reckless driving' 'Racing on a public highway' we do not need any more bloody laws.
Always a danger but then again at the moment all law abiding supercar owners could be unfairly tarred with the same brush as the 'infantiles' smile so some clear form of differentiation may not be a bad thing. Most of the naughty cars seem to be foreign registered which may serve as a starting point.

Durzel

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167 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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Maybe I'm not cynical enough but Section 59 already exists which could be used, but isn't, so the idea that regular Joe supercar owners would get caught in the crossfire on this new bylaw is hard to believe.

This seems like a genuine attempt to crack down on behaviour by people for whom the existing Laws (driving without due care, Section 59, etc) are ineffective due to foreign licenses etc.

To be honest I'm surprised it's taken this long, London (more accurately Kensington & Chelsea) have been remarkably tolerant of this stuff for years.

EricE

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128 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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Good.

ViperDave

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252 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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the telegraph first said:
Breaches of the PSPO will lead to fines and potential prosecution. Repeated breaking of the rules will lead to cars being seized by police and impounded
then it said:
The boy racers largely come from the Gulf States, shipping in super-cars like Ferraris and Lamborghinis, which in turn have been souped up and customised.

Sports cars covered in gold or crystals and costing millions of pounds have become a common sight in the streets around the Harrods department store. Especially so in summer when the young men up sticks and head for London to escape the Gulf heat.
hmm so they ship their blinged up super-cars 1/4 of the way around the world (probably in their 747 not roro through Southampton), do we really think they will worry about a few hundred pound fine or given they are probably the same type that crash a lambo on a track day morning session and have another lambo delivered for the afternoon, so probably couldn't care less about having it impounded either.

No doubt the only people this will bother will be the hard working people like fatboy who have scrimped and saved for their car (which would offend these council types if just being parked up with the engine off) and get caught out on the way to the ace cafe or some show to give disabled kids a ride.



Edited by ViperDave on Sunday 26th July 23:04

fatboy18

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Monday 27th July 2015
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I was actually Born in Westminster, I'm normally in town every couple of months and as for the Ace Cafe, it is actually a more pleasant drive going into town and cutting across to the place than sitting on the M25 at rush hour frown

I do understand and feel for the residents that Live in Kensington and Chelsea, we have all seen the programs about the Arab Supercar owners in London. Some do rev them up at the wrong moments in a residential street, but to tar all of us with a new law seems to be very sad in my book, there are as others have pointed out laws covering antisocial behavior already.

I can see this also affecting things like the Chelsea cruise (not like it's anywhere near as good as it used to be in the early 80s) but cars going to or returning home 'in convoy' could be caught up with this?

Why are existing laws not being used?

Many of us get emails from friends informing us of a Supercar meet in various places in Central London, surely this law is designed to smash these meets apart?

The early morning runs we used to have out to Wilton House meeting in Hyde Park were Awesome, looks like this could all end frown

Angelis

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Monday 27th July 2015
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"The order will make it illegal for motorists to perform any of the following 11 different activities: revving engines; speeding; sudden or rapid acceleration; driving in convoy; racing; leaving the engine of a stationary vehicle to run idle; performing stunts; sounding horns; playing music; using threatening, intimidating behaviour; causing an obstruction on the road, whether moving or stationary."

The only one that really would affect me when organising Scud Runs is the "Convoy" one and that probably is irrelevant as you can't even drive in convoy in Central London anymore due to traffic light timings, traffic in general, road works, cycle lanes etc.

It was so much better 10 years ago when we could get 25+ Ferrari's down Piccadily at the same time.


michael243

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174 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Angelis said:
leaving the engine of a stationary vehicle to run idle
How can this make any sense? rolleyes

Durzel

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Monday 27th July 2015
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ViperDave said:
No doubt the only people this will bother will be the hard working people like fatboy who have scrimped and saved for their car (which would offend these council types if just being parked up with the engine off) and get caught out on the way to the ace cafe or some show to give disabled kids a ride.
Why would it affect him if he wasn't doing laps around Harrods?

These things tend to generate a lot of hyperbolic statements about how this will spell the death of XYZ "honest" supercar drives, what about the honest, British born supercar driver that is also cruising around for no good reason in 1st and 2nd all day long.

Why wouldn't the Police carry on ignoring genuine "passing through" or positive sympathetic contributions the likes of which you mentioned (e.g. "giving disabled kids a ride")?

Edited by Durzel on Monday 27th July 12:55