RE: Nurburgring testing - spy shots bonanza!

RE: Nurburgring testing - spy shots bonanza!

Thursday 20th August 2015

Nurburgring testing - spy shots bonanza!

UPDATE - Ferrari is making a faster F12. Y'know, because it was so sluggish beforehand...



Summer is definitely drawing to a close when the motoring media is discussing motor shows again and Nurburgring industry pool testing recommences. Apologies to be the bearers of bad news! The good news though is that means a lot of new cars are closer to production. Given how many spy pictures will be released over the coming days, here we're going to collate all the important stuff into one central news story so you can keep track (no pun intended) of developments. We will keep it updated with new information and pictures when they are available. See below for the latest!

Latest update: 20/08/15, 1030h



Alright, so this isn't a car being tested at the Nurburgring. But it is a new Ferrari, which has to be worth bending the rules for.

How much more power can they give it?
How much more power can they give it?
This car is clearly an F12 of some description but there's some conjecture on what exactly it might be. Naturally 'GTO' has been suggested, a successor to the sublime 599 GTO, but would Ferrari really resurrect that badge again? The 599 was only the third Ferrari to have the Gran Turismo Omologato badge affixed to it and there was easily enough excitement over that not being an homologation car.

'Speciale' is another possibility, following the 458 theme by offering more power, a little less weight and a greater track focus. Should make for an incredible car, but would Ferrari want to use a badge associated with a cheaper car? Let's see. All possible suggestions welcomed!

As for the car, it would seem logical that the GTO/Speciale will focus on reduced weight rather than increased power; 740hp is already doing a fairly good job! Expect further evolutions of the carbon ceramic brakes, dual-clutch gearbox and manettino to make the F12 just that bit more insane. You didn't think Ferrari would just let the Aventador SV take all the glory in super hyper megacars, did you?



BMW M235i Cup
Remember the BMW M235i Racing? BMW Motorsport's take on an entry-level GT racer, it's enjoyed some success in the VLN and similar such race series. There's a one-make trophy too.

If Batman did N24...
If Batman did N24...
Now the 2 Series racing car is getting serious. Much more serious. This is the M235i Cup, or at least that's what it will be known as until BMW confirms otherwise. It was photographed soon after the M6 GT3, the pair presumably unable to be seen together without terrifying every person nearby.

Look at the thing! The arch extensions are gigantic, the spoiler is huge after the tiny lip on the Racing and the black camo ramping up the menace further. But there are still parts familiar from the Racing, including the fairly ordinary exhausts and wheels that appear to be carried over. Rather undernourished they're looking too.. It has been rumoured that the Cup is an update to customer response about the Racing and a few dynamic issues. So in the same way you would expect a Cup model to sharpen the handling of a road car, that's the aim with the Motorsport M235i. It's an enhancement rather than a new model. More details - and hopefully a video - when they're released!



Audi R8 Spyder
There has been a great deal of discussion on how far the Audi R8 is a Lamborghini Huracan and vice versa, with the shared MSS platform and only V10 engines available. The PH first drive even suggested the Audi may be preferable to the Huracan. And now there's an R8 Spyder before any suggestion of a similar Huracan, despite the Lamborghini coupe arriving a year before the Audi. Wonder who made that decision...

Drop window, keep hair intact! Result!
Drop window, keep hair intact! Result!
It may simply transpire that the Audi is in a very early stage of development and Lamborghini is more careful about where its test mules are driven. But given how, well, ready that fabric roof looks it would be very surprising if the R8 Spyder was a long way from production. Fans will surely be swooning over the panel gaps already...

As for the rest of the car it appears very much similar to the coupe, as you might have guessed. Now the sideblades don't run to the R8's roof, they may well feature on the Spyder. Note also that this car doesn't have the fixed spoiler or ceramic brakes so it's most likely a 'regular' 540hp R8 V10; however, expect both models to be offered in the Spyder range. Can't let an F-Type V8 Roadster have more power now, can you?

Given how far advanced this prototype looks, a show debut for the new R8 Spyder can't be a long way off. Even for Audi it would be surprising to have this turned round for Frankfurt, especially given the coupe was only seen at Geneva. But exactly a year later, back in Switzerland? It would seem the logical place. We might have seen something of the Lamborghini by then too!



BMW M4 GTS
Well this looks a little more promising. The studio shots accompanying the M4 GTS 'Concept' announcement last week weren't that flattering, the sea of grey and dull lighting not the best backdrop for the latest M hot rod. Here though, out at the 'ring and actually moving, the situation has significantly improved.

Hurry up please BMW!
Hurry up please BMW!
Yes, the orange accents are a bit daft - SEAT will surely love the Leon similarities - but the stance is great and the promise of a more capable M4 is hugely exciting. In these shots you want see just how far the front spoiler juts outs, which bodes well for front aero and further improving the M4's astonishing turn-in. A roll cage is still visible also, and we wouldn't expect the camouflaged OLED rear lights to change much before production.

The previous M3 GTS upped power by 30hp over the regular M3 so a similar gain for this car seems likely, which would take it to 461hp. Because it will be made and, judging by these shots, it will be available pretty soon. No word yet on power, or a kerbweight, but many more numbers will surely be forthcoming at Frankfurt.



Jaguar F-Type Roadster SVR
So following the recent F-Type Coupe SVR pics, here's the drop-top equivalent. Well, fingers crossed. Like the coupe there's the fixed spoiler and more aggressive bodykit but the wheel/brake combo from that car is notable here by its absence. To follow at a later stage perhaps. There is some Project 7 influence here moreover with those new front intakes.

Mechanically the Roadster and Coupe should be identical, meaning they will both be all-wheel drive with in the region of 600hp from the supercharged V8. The Coupe is likely to rival whatever the faster AMG GT will be and the 911 Turbo, with the Roadster up against the Ferrari California T and Aston V12 Vantage S Roadster. Which sounds like a very noisy and enjoyable comparison. Question is now whether the two F-Type SVR models will be launched at the same time. Our sources seem to suggest the Roadster will be launched early next year, so they could well both be at Geneva. We'll keep you posted!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
   

[Photos: S. Baldauf/SB-Medien]

Author
Discussion

rtz62

Original Poster:

3,366 posts

155 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
"The previous M3 GTS upped power by 30hp over the regular M3 so a similar gain for this car seems likely, which would take it to 461hp. Because it will be made and, judging by these shots, it will be available pretty soon. No word yet on power, or a kerbweight, but many more numbers will surely be forthcoming at Frankfurt."

Not sure how this fits in as Litchfield have been doing conversions with 525bhp+ for a while, and also offering rear springs that apparently benefit the handling and performance, many testers making comment about the rear suspension.
Ok, so collectors, investors and badge-snobs will go for the GTS, but I'd suspect the premium will be considerable over the stock car, and therefore a trip to Litchfield will not lighten the wallet nearly as much.
Also, as their pedigree in Nissan GTRs shows, Litchfield will probably undertake continual development for the standard car which will be well-rounded and eminently capable.
Me?
Yeah, I'm a badge-snob so if I had the money I'd go for the factory car.....

Debaser

5,832 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
I don't know why manufacturers bother testing at the ring, it's just a smooth circuit. Why don't they sign them off after driving them slowly through the countryside instead?

KillerHERTZ

942 posts

198 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
Debaser said:
slowly
Yes that would work, as they use the ring for highspeed testing. wink

Debaser

5,832 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
KillerHERTZ said:
Debaser said:
slowly
Yes that would work, as they use the ring for highspeed testing. wink
But it looks very dangerous. It would be safer for all concerned if nobody ever drove anything around there.

John145

2,447 posts

156 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
Debaser said:
KillerHERTZ said:
Debaser said:
slowly
Yes that would work, as they use the ring for highspeed testing. wink
But it looks very dangerous. It would be safer for all concerned if nobody ever drove anything.
Edited for amusement, you need some...

RupertM

10 posts

105 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
Debaser said:
But it looks very dangerous. It would be safer for all concerned if nobody ever drove anything around there.
I tend to agree. The 'ring isn't very representative of (most) real life scenarios. It's about time we heard more about B-roads, motorways, car parks, traffic jams etc.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
I like the look of the BMW M235i Cup but it has me confused because the M135 and M235 are not named M1 and M2 because they are not full on M cars. Ignore the old M1 for the moment as a reason. But this BMW M235i Cup actually seems more M than the M3/M4 at least DTM looks wise.

It will be interesting to see how they price it and what bhp it gets to fit into the 3800 levels of niche the Germans seem to conjure out of thin air.

Could this be the next gem ?

sad61t

1,100 posts

210 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
RupertM said:
I tend to agree. The 'ring isn't very representative of (most) real life scenarios. It's about time we heard more about B-roads, motorways, car parks, traffic jams etc.
Not sure a website about averaging 24mph (probably to fall given the gouged surface and skid marks on the last remaining stretch of NSL in my commute that appeared last night is likely sufficient excuse for a 'more safe' limit to be introduced) over three years would be successful. Maybe we could lobby our parliamentarians to insist the 0-62mph time is referred to as Z2NL (zero to no license).

Let's be honest, none these cars have a place on our roads if that was the only reason for making them. As Chris said in a recent video, a 320D is entirely sufficient and more than competent for driving around. But there's some of us out there who desire something a little more, and have the money to make it happen. My only real gripe is that the drivers of performance cars must remember they completely outclass other road users' performance; so if I could pull 1g and loop 3/4 of a roundabout in the time it takes Mum + Baby to get around 1/4 of it, I shouldn't get upset about being blocked as I wasn't anywhere to be seen when the 1-litre city car started to pull out. Just chill for a few seconds and think of the great opportunity for dropping a couple of cogs and savouring the thrust of acceleration at legal speeds I've just been handed.

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
Really impressed with the M2, sounds awesome and puts the M4GTS to shame.

MrBarry123

6,027 posts

121 months

Wednesday 19th August 2015
quotequote all
I'm at a loss understanding why BMW asked Rotiform* to design those stupid looking alloys for the M4 GTS - they look awful applied here.

The alloy wheels style for both the E46 M3 CSL and E92 M3 GTS suited the cars perfectly so why go and spoil it with that mismatch.

*I know that Rotiform probably haven't designed them however they look similar to the Rotiform BLQ alloy wheel style.

RupertM

10 posts

105 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
sad61t said:
Not sure a website about averaging 24mph (probably to fall given the gouged surface and skid marks on the last remaining stretch of NSL in my commute that appeared last night is likely sufficient excuse for a 'more safe' limit to be introduced) over three years would be successful. Maybe we could lobby our parliamentarians to insist the 0-62mph time is referred to as Z2NL (zero to no license).

Let's be honest, none these cars have a place on our roads if that was the only reason for making them. As Chris said in a recent video, a 320D is entirely sufficient and more than competent for driving around. But there's some of us out there who desire something a little more, and have the money to make it happen. My only real gripe is that the drivers of performance cars must remember they completely outclass other road users' performance; so if I could pull 1g and loop 3/4 of a roundabout in the time it takes Mum + Baby to get around 1/4 of it, I shouldn't get upset about being blocked as I wasn't anywhere to be seen when the 1-litre city car started to pull out. Just chill for a few seconds and think of the great opportunity for dropping a couple of cogs and savouring the thrust of acceleration at legal speeds I've just been handed.
Agreed.

GroundEffect

13,836 posts

156 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
RupertM said:
Debaser said:
But it looks very dangerous. It would be safer for all concerned if nobody ever drove anything around there.
I tend to agree. The 'ring isn't very representative of (most) real life scenarios. It's about time we heard more about B-roads, motorways, car parks, traffic jams etc.
Which every car manufacturer does every day, with every new car. You just don't see them get mentioned much because it's boring to look at pictures of cars doing every-day stuff. Ring = fast = interesting.


EricE

1,945 posts

129 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
BMW needs to split the difference between the M2 and "M235i Cup", call it M2 CSL and make a lot of people very happy.

365daytonafan

283 posts

185 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
There is a picture of the updated F12 undisguised doing the rounds at the moment


ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
Debaser said:
I don't know why manufacturers bother testing at the ring, it's just a smooth circuit. Why don't they sign them off after driving them slowly through the countryside instead?
I would hazard a guess that even for performance cars 'Ring laps account for a minute percentage of their overall road testing.

It just happens to be the most reliable and accessible place for snappers to get 'spy' shots (Death Valley and the Arctic Circle aren't quite so straightforward)

smilo996

2,787 posts

170 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
It's the Ferrari F12 Gaffa tape, it is to keep the paint on. From the feedback so far a more expensive F12 would likely have an effect on the earth's rotation.

Given the scale of the camo on the BMW, minor changes then.

interesting to see what is happening at Aston. Rumours of the V12 being asked to work for a few more years before retirement. More product distinction meaning an Aston V8 without dysons bolted on. Perhaps even a completely new Aston V8 without AMG. New DB11 starting with Aston's engines too.

Ares

11,000 posts

120 months

Thursday 20th August 2015
quotequote all
If the 235 cup has even half the presence this had in the flesh, strapped inside and even moreso coming screaming up behind you, it'll be a beast.


Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Friday 21st August 2015
quotequote all
All that way and just a handful of German saloons were the highlights. Should have hung around to see something interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVvgT2vytRY