RE: Shed Of The Week: Citroen Saxo VTR

RE: Shed Of The Week: Citroen Saxo VTR

Friday 4th September 2015

Shed Of The Week: Citroen Saxo VTR

A sprightly Saxo with a difference tickles Shed's fancy this Friday



The Shed is a natural race car. At under a grand, who cares what happens to it? That lack of worth is a positive advantage when you're battling for track space with some wedged-up dude sawing at the wheel of a KTM X-Bow or equally expensive motoring trinket.

Hang on, this looks quite low...
Hang on, this looks quite low...
As long as he's spent some money on the brakes, the Shed racer can spend all day winding up his minted fellow competitors by blocking them on the entry to corners and then wallowing queasily through those corners, thus providing them with clear visual evidence of you not having spent a red cent on the chassis.

Obviously, you won't have bought any additional power either, so they'll come screaming past you on the straights, especially when you deliberately tap off and start texting to make them look silly. The beauty is that they'll have to come back around eventually, and that's where your fun starts all over again.

With this sporting Corinthian attitude in mind, we commend to you this Saxo VTR. Enough power to have fun, but not enough to get you into trouble; stripped out to replicate that deafening tinny roar you've heard and loved on BTCC telly programmes; and legally capable of being driven to circuits, if not necessarily away from them afterwards.

... ah, that'll be the 'racing suspension' then
... ah, that'll be the 'racing suspension' then
That OMP bucket seat looks the part, and is worth a couple of hundred on its own. Its fixed position might disqualify buyers of non-average dimensions or those without welding skills, but on the other hand the continued presence of the passenger seat suggests the possibility of paid-for 'thrill rides' for your mates or indeed any other people you may hate. Why, it's even got a handy waterproof cover on it.

Lightening the 920kg, 100hp VTR through the removal of most of the rest of the interior should surely have elevated its real-world performance up to something closer to that of the 16-valve 120hp VTS. Lob a new manifold, decat exhaust and enclosed induction filter on it and you could soon be feeling the rude thrust of more than 130hp. That new mani will sort any leaking that the standard one is prone to, and the standard exhausts are notoriously rubbish too, so you can put all this work under the heading of proactive maintenance.

'My first track car' extends inside too!
'My first track car' extends inside too!
What can go wrong? What, on a track day do you mean? Well, life-threatening injuries apart, not that much. The VTR motor is a forgiving sort of lump that will resignedly dish out its power to the most leadfooted clod with little complaint. The cambelt only needs replacing every 80K or so.

The gearbox will be less tolerant of the hamfisted, but the illuminated engine management light mentioned in the ad must surely be seen as nothing more than an encouragement to ever-greater feats of derring-do on the merry olde tracks of Englande.

On the chassis side, hot Saxos are famed for the weak rear axles that, for a short while at least, will create some spiffy if random rear-wheel steering attributes. You'd like to think any problems in the beam department would have been addressed when the suspension was dropped. Whatever the vendor's definition of 'racing' suspension may be is left to our own fertile imaginations, but generally speaking lower is always good on the track. Welding in a proper roll cage will bring peace of mind and a new sense of integrity to the flimsy Saxo body.

Light car made even lighter? Marvellous!
Light car made even lighter? Marvellous!
Annoyingly the VTR has the well-known Citroën sunshine roof that should be more accurately be known as a raining-in roof. Whip that out and replace it with some high-tech polythene to reduce your racing weight still further. If you regularly plough off the track and into the surrounding fields you should, over time, be able to accumulate enough mud under the rear arches to hide the other brown stuff that will almost certainly be growing there.

This looks like a barrel of cheap fun to us. Try not to crash it until you've fitted that roll cage though.

Here's the ad.

The car is in good working order with racing suspension and is road legal, it has been stripped out for racing spec, eml is on but does not effect drive, bucket seat is in fixed position, no airbags etc due to racing spec, drivers seat has harness, general wear on car although very few marks, please see photos




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Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Good shed.

The race belts should stop your head bottoming out on the steering wheel in a crash - which was a problem with both this and the 106, even with an airbag fitted.

Should be fun & plenty quick enough with an extra 35bhp over my old Pug 106 Quicksilver.

V8 FOU

2,971 posts

147 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Excellent shed!
As in the write up, track days beckon. Even has a brown seat.......

vtecyo

2,122 posts

129 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Absolutely perfect 1st (or even back up disposable) track day car. If I had a garage / space on the drive I'd probably go and get it myself!

thecleverbit

40 posts

142 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Yes it's a good cheap pocket rocket, but on the "stripped out look", just how legal is that? I thought that the law changed and now for an MOT pass you had to have all the original safety features in place, as factory fitted. So removing airbags might be ok for track use, but you might not be able to renew the MOT? Also, didn't the law change regarding EML warnings meaning that this car is really a track only toy?

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Hmmm... Looks a bit half baked for track use. As somebody else has pointed out it probably won't get through another MoT with the factory spec safety bits removed either. So I reckon this is more like £600 to £700 than a grand.

I'm sure you can have some fun with it if you live near a track though.

pSyCoSiS

3,594 posts

205 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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That's a lot of fun for under a grand!

Kitchski

6,515 posts

231 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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A VTS can easily be had for less, certainly enough to split the difference on a bucket seat and some suspension. The difference between a VTR and a VTS on the road is vast, far more so than 20bhp would make it seem. A lot of that is due to the wk gear ratios afforded the VTR in an attempt to achieve decent fuel consumption figures (which they do, in fairness) as well as a modicum of refinement (which they do not). It's plain to see to anyone who drives a ph2 106 Rallye the difference a mild cam and short gear ratios can make.
On a straight line, my opinion is that a VTS can hold a candle to bigger machinery, and is able to surprise quite a few 'quick' cars, even with no corners involved. You've got the handling of a VTR with more straight line punch, and it wouldn't cost you any more. I'm guessing PH were short on shed ideas this week hehe

shed said:
Lightening the 920kg, 100hp VTR through the removal of most of the rest of the interior should surely have elevated its real-world performance up to something closer to that of the 16-valve 120hp VTS.
Really? Back seat that weighs about 15kg along with all the plastic trim in the car coming in at around 6-8kg, and you've gained the equivalent of 20bhp?? Bloody hell, I better take the tool box out the boot of mine!

shed said:
Lob a new manifold, decat exhaust and enclosed induction filter on it and you could soon be feeling the rude thrust of more than 130hp.
laugh

You could, but only if the engine had already been tuned to more than 130bhp.

Good idea shed, love the writing and the article as usual, but you will always get some marque-bore come along and point out the flaws in your research, and today the cap seems to fit me!

dbdb

4,324 posts

173 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Not the kind of car I like. There have been very few cars I would like to own myself featured as SOTW this year.

luckystrike

536 posts

181 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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thecleverbit said:
Yes it's a good cheap pocket rocket, but on the "stripped out look", just how legal is that? I thought that the law changed and now for an MOT pass you had to have all the original safety features in place, as factory fitted. So removing airbags might be ok for track use, but you might not be able to renew the MOT? Also, didn't the law change regarding EML warnings meaning that this car is really a track only toy?
EML is an advisory item on MOTs, not a fail. Other malfunction indicator lights such as ESP/TCS, high beam, TPMS have now joined SRS and ABS as fails if they highlight a malfunction, but EMLs are not included in that.

YellowCar

131 posts

122 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Harness but no cage in a car with a flimsy body, at full pelt on a track. Your neck isn't going to be very healthy when you roll it...

ecs0set

2,471 posts

284 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Advert said:
12 year old Citroen for sale
Pale blue / grey
111,000 miles
97bhp
Ragged to within an inch of its life by 4 previous owners
Supplied without most of the interior trim
Unlikely to pass an MOT due to the removal of safety equipment
Lowered suspension, possibly properly, possibly by taking an angle grinder to the springs
Ideal for pissing off people on track days
Ooookay.

Were I in the market for such a machine, I think I'd pay a little more for one that's been converted for track day use properly.

mr_angry

12 posts

193 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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I race one of these in the 750MC Stock Hatch Championship and can certainly vouch for the first sentence. Why go and spend £xK on a fancy thing you're too scared to use or are unable to drive? I've done several track days in mine for practice and there aren't many roadcars that are well enough driven to come near on lap time. It's huge fun sitting right behind the Porsches etc. pressing them to move over. There's no more fun than driving these little hooligan cars at eleven tenths :-)

Gez79

217 posts

183 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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The safety equipment only has to work if it's present, if it's been removed it should be fine.

Plus what MOT tester knows whether a 2002 Saxo VTR came with an airbag or not when it was new?

luckystrike

536 posts

181 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Gez79 said:
The safety equipment only has to work if it present, if it's been removed it should be fine.

Plus what MOT tester knows whether a 1999 Saxo VTR came with an airbag or not when it was new?
The one who can see an illuminated airbag light on the dash presumably.

No preaching going on here, just considerations for a potential buyer.

Blackpuddin

16,483 posts

205 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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luckystrike said:
Gez79 said:
The safety equipment only has to work if it present, if it's been removed it should be fine.

Plus what MOT tester knows whether a 1999 Saxo VTR came with an airbag or not when it was new?
The one who can see an illuminated airbag light on the dash presumably.
chortle

joe_90

4,206 posts

231 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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YellowCar said:
Harness but no cage in a car with a flimsy body, at full pelt on a track. Your neck isn't going to be very healthy when you roll it...
Or paralyze yourself with spine compression.

LukeDM

467 posts

123 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Good shed but a standard vTS would be a much better choice unless insurance is an issue! I have never known a car to fail an MOT on missing airbags either.

exgtt

2,067 posts

212 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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Disposable French tat, but utterly brilliant driving disposable French tat. Loved my vts more than my 172, pin sharp handling, an engine that screams and you sit so low down in comparison. Can't remember the last time I saw a chave behind the wheel of one. Would love a phase 1 vts, in white.

exgtt

2,067 posts

212 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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When I drove a vtr I remember the engine feeling torquey for what it was, the gearbox didn't feel mismatched. Talking of gearboxes I went through 3 of them, is there a known fix now?

Steve_W

1,494 posts

177 months

Friday 4th September 2015
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I'm waiting for Guru 1071 to post the post-crash pic of his.