RE: MotoGP Aragon: PH2
Monday 28th September 2015
After Misano's mistake, Jorge Lorenzo desperately needed to make up some points on Valentino Rossi at Aragon. The only problem was a very quick Marc Marquez looked likely to take the lion's share of the spoils in Spain.
Battle of the race!Lights out and storming start for Lorenzo meant Marc was playing catch up while Rossi was back in fifth with Iannone and Pedrosa in the way of a desperately needed podium slot. And then The Doctor's job suddenly got a whole heap easier as Marc hopped off. Lorenzo may have been clear in the lead, but you had to reckon Vale had the beating of the Honda and Ducati ahead - especially as both riders were recovering from injuries. Or did he?
Pedrosa eventually held second placeMoto2 and with an Aprilia MotoGP contract in his pocket, Sam Lowes is all set for the next two years and can enjoy the rest of the 2015 Moto2 season. Something that showed as he got a cracking start, challenging for the lead on the first lap before a red flag stopped the race. The second start saw Lowes once again get a good one and settle down into third spot in a group of five riders making a break for it. A fairly tame Moto2 race was made exciting by Rabat and Rins battling at the front and Lowes securing third. A win for Rabat and the championship battle goes on another round.
MotoGP Aragon: PH2
Lorenzo, Rossi and Marquez duke it out in another MotoGP epic
Battle of the race!
Having shadowed Pedrosa for most of the race, Rossi left it until five laps from the end to have a nibble. Unsuccessful at first, he had another dig a lap later, which was again defended by Dani. Was it about to get dirty? Another lap down and with only two left was Dani about to ruin the Rossi party? One more unsuccessful dive by Rossi and Dani was still ahead. Could he get him on the last lap?
After an amazing Rossi overtake, Dani refused to back down and a bold move saw Rossi drop back again. Then he gained second briefly with a do or die move before Honda power saw Pedrosa safely home. More points to Jorge and frustration for Rossi, but what a last lap for the neutral fans.
Pedrosa eventually held second place
Moto3 and despite his large points advantage over Bastianini, Brit Danny Kent is on a bit of a wobble and a decent result at Aragon would have been very welcome to calm his nerves. Not that his first lap helped as the Brit dropped from his front row start to eighth. As long as he could stick with the leading pack to catch their slip stream all should be good and with 13 to go he hit the front. Aragon isn't a track that allows Moto3 riders to escape and entering the last lap the win was still on for Kent, but more importantly, Bastianini hit the ground. Then so did Kent! A silly mistake by the Brit when he had an easy podium spot, but incredibly lucky as well that his main challenger also messed up!
Results
MotoGP
1st: Lorenzo (Movistar Yamaha MotoGP)
2nd: Pedrosa (Repsol Honda Team)
3rd: Rossi (Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Moto2:
1st: Rabat - (Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS)
2nd: Rins - (Paginas Amarillas HP 40)
3rd: Lowes - (Speed Up Racing)
Moto3:
1st: Oliveira - (Red Bull KTM Ajo)
2nd: Navarro - (Estrella Galicia 0,0)
3rd: Fenati - (SKY Racing VR46)
Brit watch:
Cal Crutchlow (MotoGP) - 7
Bradley Smith (MotoGP) - 8
Scott Redding (MotoGP) - 12
Eugene Laverty (MotoGP) - 14
Sam Lowes (Moto2) - 3
John McPhee (Moto3) - 17
Danny Kent (Moto3) - DNF
Previous rounds:
MotoGP USA
MotoGP Qatar
MotoGP Argentina
MotoGP Jerez
MotoGP France
MotoGP Italy
MotoGP Spain
MotoGP Assen
MotoGP Germany
MotoGP Indianapolis
MotoGP Czech Republic
MotoGP Silverstone
MotoGP Misano
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Discussion
Danny Kent made one of the more bizarre manoevres at Aragon. Another great moto3 race.
Moto2 as expected with home advantage kicking in.
Lorenzo is participating in the MotoGP time trial, Marquez must be starting to annoy Honda and the real racing went on between two riders who still remember how to. Amazing last few laps.
Smithy put in another solid performance.
When Dorna started to "administer" MotoGP there were 2 races in France, two Spanish riders, no Spanish Champion and 6 American riders.
Now there are 25 Spanish riders in MotoGP, four races in Spain and one in a former colony, there have been many Spanish Champions, the Spanish riders usually place better in those four races and the last American rider is leaving this year.
When Dorna took over WSBK there was one Spanish rider, now there are 5.
The feeder series is run from and based in Spain.
Imagine if Bernie ran F1 like this. Imagine if FIFa was run like that. Imagine if anyother world championship was run as a national champion........
Moto2 as expected with home advantage kicking in.
Lorenzo is participating in the MotoGP time trial, Marquez must be starting to annoy Honda and the real racing went on between two riders who still remember how to. Amazing last few laps.
Smithy put in another solid performance.
When Dorna started to "administer" MotoGP there were 2 races in France, two Spanish riders, no Spanish Champion and 6 American riders.
Now there are 25 Spanish riders in MotoGP, four races in Spain and one in a former colony, there have been many Spanish Champions, the Spanish riders usually place better in those four races and the last American rider is leaving this year.
When Dorna took over WSBK there was one Spanish rider, now there are 5.
The feeder series is run from and based in Spain.
Imagine if Bernie ran F1 like this. Imagine if FIFa was run like that. Imagine if anyother world championship was run as a national champion........
dibblecorse said:
Or imagine if other countries invested in grass roots racing the same way as the Spanish.
Smilo is correct, it is little more than a Spanish championship, with the whole game tilted towards them. If we loose Valentino, Yamaha have one of the asparagus brothers contracted, despite Bradley beating him this year.. In short 4 out of 4 bikes that win would have Spanish riders. As he also says, imagine the s
tstorm if Bernie put Brits in the front half of the grid...Red Bull Rookies runs here, apart from that what exactly ? I live here and visit a few of the tracks, but don't see any grass roots investment in anything much.
What I do see is corruption at all levels, more than you would believe. A Spanish friend was closely involved in the furniture business in La Senia (highest % of Ferraris per capita at one point) there, between 90 and 95% of the money running through the factories there is black, undeclared... Businesses buy 500k of foam with cash, 50k on the books, they have 95 cash in hand workers, 5 on the books, the owners of DFS/SofaWorld etc. shops arrive to buy finished sofas, 95% with cash or narcotics.
If you really believe that the Dorna Motogp business and the associated sponsors, teams etc are all straight, you are insane, ever wondered where Luis D'Antin is or why he shut down his team so suddenly... What really happened to Jose Luis Trigo, etc.etc.
Actually smilo996 isn’t correct and neither are you
You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are st, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.
That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are s
t, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
D200 said:
Actually smilo996 isn’t correct and neither are you
You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are st, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.
That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
Based on your respective posts in this thread only, I'll go with smilo. You sound like a lunatic. Or a teenager. You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are s
t, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
The problem is sponsorship. GB could turn out 10 awesome riders in the next 3 years but few would make it because they don't bring money and they don't bring money because the audience here is by comparison, small.
And this country doesn't have the same scooter/moto culture (weather related?) and it doesn't invest in the grass roots of the sport. But the Spanish govt hasn't exactly been flush for the last 7 years, has it? It's chicken or egg for riders and sponsors and audiences.
Either way, we don't hold our sports stars aloft like the Spanish or Italians, (we'd rather tear them down). Without that fanaticism the are no audiences, without audiences there are no sponsors.
dibblecorse said:
Or imagine if other countries invested in grass roots racing the same way as the Spanish.
So there is no interest, investment or great riders in other countries then? Dorna are there to run an international sport not make MotoGP into a national series.
Amazing. So presumably you are just fine with the deal they did with BT and moving the British race to the middle of nowhere. Not because it was best for the sport but because it makes money for the investment banks.
So it is fin that riders from many other countires do not even get a look in because Dorna do not priorities the best but those from Spain. priceless.
D200 said:
Actually smilo996 isn’t correct and neither are you
You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
You are making assumptions about my views on MotoGp that are utter rubbish. Really.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP?
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are st, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.
That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
Utter rubbish. I want to see is the best riders competeing not just Spanish riders. There are 25 in the series currently. 25 ot five but 25. All of them get better track position on home tracks of which there are four each year.
This has nothing to do with Rossi.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
I hate football you moron. there is not even one element of football I like.
I really liked Stoner, why because he was a brilliant rider, disliked all the spin and PR that went with it. Above all he was interested in racing and making up his own mind. He did not ride time trials and won on bikes from two different manufactuers. he was also Australian and it was a shame when he tired of the Dorna / Repsol PR.
Marquez is over rated. He won 2 championships with no competition because there were no other bikes to touch the Honda. That is not racing. Now there are, he has been shown wanting on so many occasions. However he is fast and will likely mature. he mixes it up but because he is Spanish,m has been delivered, as Mick Doohan said on a magic carpet.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
That is also rubbish. They are basing MotoGP on Spain, sponsors, tracks, riders, support series. it is however an international sport. It is clear Dorna do not really like Rossi
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
Rossi fans are not MotoGP fans. Are you mad. I like riders who want to race. This weekend what was better? Watching Lorenzo in a one man time trial or watching 2 of the most experienced riders on the grid fight with all their experience for second place. Watching Bradley Smith yet again, get the better of his team mate. Against the odds seeing Dovi make it up the pack and dicing with Ianonne. That is racing.
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Real racing fans What are you talking about. People like you presumably to the exclusion of others with different views. Dorna will have as much money in the coffers because they will continue to take decisions that make them money but are not in the best interests of the sport (charging media, restricting media access, signing rights with companies no one watches and tracks that no one goes to).
By way of example why have they tried to establish two races in former Spanish colonies in the past three years?
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
It has nothing to do with Rossi but it has everything to do with how Dorna "manage" the sport. You both have your own opinions but that doesnt mean they are incorrect.
You are making assumptions about my views on MotoGp that are utter rubbish. Really.
Actually, its people like smilo996 who have ruined MotoGP?
He is an extreme fundamentalist super biased Rossi fan and not a bike racing fan at all – but just a 100% Rossi Fan. All Rossi’s competitors are s
t, horrible, frauds, boring, moaners etc etc etc but VR is the God of Gods.That is the key difference.
To him and his ilk Valentino Rossi is MotoGP
When Rossi retires – they will stop watching it, motoGP is over to them – hence they aren’t bike racing fans at all.
Utter rubbish. I want to see is the best riders competeing not just Spanish riders. There are 25 in the series currently. 25 ot five but 25. All of them get better track position on home tracks of which there are four each year.
This has nothing to do with Rossi.
It’s the pure football lout mentality, like all the VR fans at this year’s British MotoGP round cheering when Marquez crashed and the same ‘fans’ who booed Casey Stoner all the time – this happens all the time and sums up Rossi fans.
I hate football you moron. there is not even one element of football I like.
I really liked Stoner, why because he was a brilliant rider, disliked all the spin and PR that went with it. Above all he was interested in racing and making up his own mind. He did not ride time trials and won on bikes from two different manufactuers. he was also Australian and it was a shame when he tired of the Dorna / Repsol PR.
Marquez is over rated. He won 2 championships with no competition because there were no other bikes to touch the Honda. That is not racing. Now there are, he has been shown wanting on so many occasions. However he is fast and will likely mature. he mixes it up but because he is Spanish,m has been delivered, as Mick Doohan said on a magic carpet.
This is Dorna’s fault I guess, they have based motogp entirely on Rossi with no backup plan when he leaves
That is also rubbish. They are basing MotoGP on Spain, sponsors, tracks, riders, support series. it is however an international sport. It is clear Dorna do not really like Rossi
He brought them lots of new fans for sure, and made them lots of money, but they aren’t motoGP fans [they are solely Rossi fans].
Rossi fans are not MotoGP fans. Are you mad. I like riders who want to race. This weekend what was better? Watching Lorenzo in a one man time trial or watching 2 of the most experienced riders on the grid fight with all their experience for second place. Watching Bradley Smith yet again, get the better of his team mate. Against the odds seeing Dovi make it up the pack and dicing with Ianonne. That is racing.
When that part if the show is over Dorna will have less money, less people at the races and smaller viewing figures but at least it will have real fans again but MotoGP will change as there will be less money in the pot.
Real racing fans What are you talking about. People like you presumably to the exclusion of others with different views. Dorna will have as much money in the coffers because they will continue to take decisions that make them money but are not in the best interests of the sport (charging media, restricting media access, signing rights with companies no one watches and tracks that no one goes to).
By way of example why have they tried to establish two races in former Spanish colonies in the past three years?
Please note, I think VR is an super amazing racer, one of the all-time greats – I never one denied Rossi talent or passion the only thing annoys me about Rossi is his fans :-)
These are 2 very well written pieces on MotoGP and Rossi, long but worth a read:
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...
After you read this, then try to watch MotoGP on BT Sport you will see how completely ridiculous their commentary is. Even people I know who are massive Rossi fanboys even agree.
And now they are going to start charging even BT Infinity customers extra for BT Sport
It’s a pity Eurosport no longer have rights to show motogp [even delayed coverage like last time] as it would be the one stop shop for all bike racing.
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...
After you read this, then try to watch MotoGP on BT Sport you will see how completely ridiculous their commentary is. Even people I know who are massive Rossi fanboys even agree.
And now they are going to start charging even BT Infinity customers extra for BT Sport
It’s a pity Eurosport no longer have rights to show motogp [even delayed coverage like last time] as it would be the one stop shop for all bike racing.
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