Friday 16th October 2015

McLaren 570S - the numbers

We can't tell you how it drives yet but we can compare it to its closest rivals in a game of spec sheet Top Trumps

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So we've driven the McLaren 570S and it's ... well, we're not actually allowed to tell you yet as driving impressions are embargoed. Which is frustrating. But at least gives us a chance to crunch some tech and numbers and put it into context with some key rivals ahead of the full review.

With the 540C that launches next year starting at 'just' £126,000 and the 570S from £143,250 McLaren is landing in a fiercely competitive sector and playing to a much wider audience than it ever has before. That's obviously a huge opportunity but also brings with it increased expectation; if the Sports Series is to achieve its goal of doubling McLaren's output to around 4,000 cars a year by 2017 and win over new 'conquest' customers it's got to impress as a long-term ownership proposition as well as it does on first encounter in the showroom.

More about this to follow!

So what's it up against? With around £150K in your pocket (we'll work on the basis you've got a bit spare to lavish on some options) there are a number of ways you could go, be they luxury GTs like the Bentley Continental range, a specced up BMW M6 or AMG S-Class coupes. On the basis a McLaren customer is probably in the market for something a bit more focused there are the more traditional front-engined sports cars like the charismatic but old-school Aston Martin V12Vantage S or newer-school Mercedes-AMG GT S and impending Maserati Alfieri.

Really though the key competitors are the £142,120 Porsche 911 Turbo S and the £134,500 Audi R8 V10 Plus, with the looming threat of Ferrari's rumoured revival of its 'junior' Dino brand. Both German cars offer alternatives to the 540C in the shape of the 'regular' £120,598 520hp Turbo and £118,500, 540hp V10 but in all three cases the additional kit and performance in the 'senior' versions makes the premium pretty much a no-brainer with a little man maths applied.

Carbon construction is the USP

Hard sell
Against both of these cars the McLaren's all-carbon tub is a genuine selling point and - Alfa Romeo 4C excepted - something unique at this price point. True, much of the bodywork is aluminium but McLaren argues this is as much about the material's suitability to create shapes impossible with carbon panels as it is cost. Pinch of salt there but the Sports Series does have a genuinely different visual identity to the Super Series cars above, which it needs if the range hierarchy is to be preserved.

McLaren needs to hammer home the functional advantages of that carbon construction too, especially when at face value the Turbo S and R8 offer 'more' in the sense they both have four-wheel drive and all manner of tech, not to mention a lot more buttons on dash and steering wheel. It may sound childish but these things matter at a superficial level.

The riposte is, of course, weight. The 570S's 1,440kg DIN kerbweight compares with 1,605kg for the aluminium Porsche and 1,555kg for the 'hybrid' part-carbon R8 V10 Plus. As McLaren boss Mike Flewitt has been quoted, the power war is inescapable but taking the initiative in a war against weight "would be really cool."

Is it though? The culture of configurable technology is deeply embedded in the rivals and it'll be interesting to see whether McLaren can successfully sell this as an advantage when people might actually prefer a ton of modes to control differentials, power splits, steering weights and the rest, weight penalty be damned.

'Junior' models still does 124mph in 9.5 seconds

Numbers game
Enough philosophical musing. Let's return to the playground and indulge in a little bit of Top Trumps. Engine capacity, cylinder count and power output clearly favour the R8 V10 Plus, its 5.2-litre, 610hp V10 seemingly unassailable against the 3.8-litre twin-turbos of the 570hp 570S and 560hp 911. Here McLaren has the benefit of a couple of extra cylinders and more revvy nature but the 911's monstrous 553lb ft of torque from just 2,200rpm gives it a killer blow when it comes to acceleration figures, proving horsepower is only half the story.

In comparison the 570S manages 442lb ft from 5,000rpm while the R8 suddenly seems a little breathless, needing 6,500rpm to muster its 413lb ft. The Audi and McLaren may both be bona-fide 200mph club members but - as proven in our recent drag races - the Turbo S is an absolute monster off the line and, at 3.1 seconds, a tenth faster to 62mph than either. But in 0-100mph the McLaren shows the benefit of its lack of weight, its staggering 6.3-second time putting half a second into the Porsche; for 0-124mph (200km/h in new money) it's 9.5 seconds to the Porsche's 10.3 and the Audi's 9.9. To put the 650S's performance advantage into context it'll do the same in just 8.4 seconds.

It faces a tough task; full verdict soon!

All use seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearboxes but in putting that power to the road the Porsche again dazzles with its complexity, its four-wheel drive system boasting variable torque distribution and an active rear locking differential with full torque vectoring. It's also got that four-wheel steering, variable PASM dampers, PDCC active anti-roll bars, ceramic brakes, centre-lock wheels, variable vane turbos, active engine mounts and three-stage variable aero as standard. The Audi also has electronically controlled front-to-rear torque distribution, a mechanical limited-slip differential at the rear and gizmos like the variable ratio steering. Purists may not like the sound of it but the promise of fingertip parking in city driving and locked-out race car response on the track is one that will play well in the sales pitch. Again, ceramic brakes are standard.

Against that the McLaren's open diff and reliance on electronics rather than mechanical hardware suddenly seem - on paper - a little basic. Sure, there are three-mode dampers and Brake Steer is genuine F1 tech for the road and lighter than a mechanical locking diff. But is it enough to impress against the Germans' gizmo-led tech onslaught? Hold that thought!

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MCLAREN 540C
Engine: 3,799cc twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto (SSG), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 540@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 398@3,500-6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.5sec
Top speed: 199mph
Weight: 1,446kg (DIN, plus driver)
MPG: 26.6 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 249g/km
Price: £126,000

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MCLAREN 570S
Engine: 3,799cc twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto (SSG), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 570@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 442@5,000-6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 204mph
Weight: 1,440kg (DIN, plus driver)
MPG: 26.6 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 249g/km
Price: £143,250

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AUDI R8 5.2 V10 PLUS
Engine: 5,201cc V10
Transmission: 7-speed dual clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 610@8,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 413@6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 205mph
Weight: 1,555kg (DIN, plus driver)
MPG: 23
CO2: 287g/km
Price: £134,500

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PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
Engine: 3,800cc, flat-six, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 560@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553@2,200rpm
0-62mph: 3.1sec
Top speed: 198mph
Weight: 1,605kg (DIN, plus driver)
MPG: 29.0 (claimed)
CO2: 227g/km
Price: £142,120

[TNH]

If it matters, I'd much rather be able to tell people I drive a McLaren rather than an Audi or Porsche.

Looks fantastic, hopefully it lives up to the hype.

[130R]

You've listed the price of the 570S as the same as the 540C at the bottom of the article

[Vee12V]

Considering you could have the faster and technically more capable 12C (and probably even a 650S with some miles) for the same price, why would you want one of these?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

The 911, as ubiquitous as it is, still scores points for have small rear seats. The ability to make the car fit in with "family life" is still its ultimate selling point I'm afraid.

[FD3Si]

Vee12V said:

Considering you could have the faster and technically more capable 12C (and probably even a 650S with some miles) for the same price, why would you want one of these?

[jmesgotav8]

Vee12V said:

Considering you could have the faster and technically more capable 12C (and probably even a 650S with some miles) for the same price, why would you want one of these?

Because some people buy new cars. If I was one of those people I'd be interested

[LotusOmega375D]

There's a couple of candidates for the crappy number plates thread up there.

[Al U]

Mistake on the price of the 570S in the bit at the bottom.

ETA- 130R beat me to that.

[smithyithy]

LotusOmega375D said:

There's a couple of candidates for the crappy number plates thread up there.

Which??

[Truckosaurus]

I can't help but feel that McLaren might be shooting themselves in the foot by have a range that is so similar, both stylistically and mechanically.

But then again people seem happy to pay a fortune for specific 911 models that the man on the street couldn't tell apart from the cooking models.

[Ozzie Osmond]

"With the 540C that launches next year starting at 'just' £126,000 and the 570S from £143,250 McLaren is landing in a fiercely competitive sector and playing to a much wider audience than it ever has before. That's obviously a huge opportunity but also brings with it increased expectation; if the Sports Series is to achieve its goal of doubling McLaren's output to around 4,000 cars a year by 2017 and win over new 'conquest' customers it's got to impress as a long-term ownership proposition as well as it does on first encounter in the showroom."

Let's hope Lotus and new-TVR are paying attention.

[daveco]

I can't fathom how the board at McLaren can keep approving should drab design.

The P1 is a phenomenal looking car, if you're going to borrow styling cues from it at least make it look good!

[PhantomPH]

The only thing I took from that article, was that the BMW M6 is now north of £100k!!! WTF??? Everything else just became a blur after that...

[andrewparker]

Nothing from RamboLambo yet? Something must be wrong...

[D200]

PhantomPH said:

The only thing I took from that article, was that the BMW M6 is now north of £100k!!! WTF??? Everything else just became a blur after that...

You truly are a complete idiot if this was all you took from the article. Of the whole article there are 5 words foolishly mentioning the M6 as a possible contender - 'a specced up BMW M6'

You should read the rest of the article if your vision has returned.

I just checked and the list of an M6 is 92k, silly expensive but they offer massive discounts on them an you would get a fullly specced one for 80k. Still very expensive but a similarly specced McLaren 540 will be over 150, i.e., near twice the price. I would not say the M6 is a competitor to this car.

One is a 4/5 seater luxury super fast tourer, the other 2 seat supercar costing near twice as much.

You could also spec say an Audi A8 diesel to well over 100k but it wouldn’t be a competitor.

If you aren’t an idiot you would realise it main competitors are what they has listed in main article - i.e. 911 Turbo, R8 but I think the Merc GT S would be its main and toughest competitor

It would be a very tough choice between them but I think I’d go for the merc

Edited by D200 on Thursday 15th October 13:06

[foxhounduk]

GTR, 2.8s?

[Vee12V]

jmesgotav8 said:

Vee12V said:

Considering you could have the faster and technically more capable 12C (and probably even a 650S with some miles) for the same price, why would you want one of these?

Because some people buy new cars. If I was one of those people I'd be interested

You're right. But almost every 12C/650s is barely run in so they are in fact still brand new.
Also, the 650S is still in the current model line-up.

[AdamV8V]

D200 said:

You truly are a complete idiot if this was all you took from the article. Of the whole article there are 5 words foolishly mentioning the M6 as a possible contender - 'a specced up BMW M6'

You should read the rest of the article if your vision has returned.

I just checked and the list of an M6 is 92k, silly expensive but they offer massive discounts on them an you would get a fullly specced one for 80k. Still very expensive but a similarly specced McLaren 540 will be over 150, i.e., near twice the price. I would not say the M6 is a competitor to this car.

One is a 4/5 seater luxury super fast tourer, the other 2 seat supercar costing near twice as much.

You could also spec say an Audi A8 diesel to well over 100k but it wouldn’t be a competitor.

If you aren’t an idiot you would realise it main competitors are what they has listed in main article - i.e. 911 Turbo, R8 but I think the Merc GT S would be its main and toughest competitor

It would be a very tough choice between them but I think I’d go for the merc

Edited by D200 on Thursday 15th October 13:06

Time of the month?

Slightly OTT reaction

[Dan Trent]

Al U said:

Mistake on the price of the 570S in the bit at the bottom.

ETA- 130R beat me to that.

Sorted and apologies - a lot of numbers crunched therein and I thought we'd successfully checked all of them off but one got away.

And, Truckosaurus, good point and well made and to be expanded upon in the review. Until then....

Cheers,

Dan

[graeme4130]

Surely, at this price point, everyday usability has to come into play ?
With the Audi's 4wd and reliability, and Porsche's 4 seats, that's going to be a big factor too