a £55k 997 Turbo value in 2 years

a £55k 997 Turbo value in 2 years

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matt21

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4,290 posts

205 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Looking for a new daily to do 10k pa in. Maybe a track day and odd European trip included. CSL in garage and an old Passat for the really boring stuff.

Would like to buy a Porsche 997 Turbo for a main dealer with 2 year warranty. Few around the 55k mark.

So my question is:

If I kept for 2 years, paid 55k for a 30-40k car, what do you honestly think it will be worth in 2 years?

Basically if depreciation is less than something newish I would be tempted. If not maybe the costs will be too much. I appreciate depreciation is a gamble, hence why I am looking for peoples thoughts.

Cheers

Matt

itsybitsy

5,219 posts

186 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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It's anyones quess but imo a nice 997.1 manual turbo is a pretty safe place for your money whereas say a newish 991 is not!

matt21

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4,290 posts

205 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Thanks! I mean depreciate less than a lesser car. I'm used to £5-6k per year depreciation. I couldn't justify this if it sheds £20k in 2 years

itsybitsy

5,219 posts

186 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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I cannot seeing it shedding much from £55k so I doubt you will loose even £5 k in 2 years unless it ends up with high miles!
It's worth bearing in mind that the 996 turbo prices have been firm for a while and prices are rising for good lowish miles manuals!

matt21

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4,290 posts

205 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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I agree but not sure if I am just trying to convince myself!

By the way, wonder how auto values will hold up?

itsybitsy

5,219 posts

186 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Imo if it was a 997.2 it has to Pdk but then it does not have the mezger engine and I think values on these will slide but the 997.1 mezger has to be manual the autos being the dated not to good tiptronic box which will be least sort after!

Magic919

14,126 posts

202 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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If you are happy to drop £5k a year, then you'll probably be fine. OPC Gen 1 Turbos are a bit thin on the ground as they concentrate on newer Gen 2s. Buying from an OPC and trading in later will see the biggest delta.

The Tiptronic is popular on the Turbo, so don't worry about gearbox choice.

g7jhp

6,970 posts

239 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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If you're buying a 997.1 turbo get a manual coupe. As has been said before the auto would age quicker as it's old technology (non-PDK).

I wouldn't buy OPC as that's a premium you'll lose, although the warranty could offset running costs. But the turbo is robust if bought wisely.

I'd be included to buy from one of the well known Porsche specialists. You may need to take your time but be prepared to move fast as manual 997 (and 996) turbo tend to sell quickly.

But they are sought after and therefore hold their value and even at £50k there isn't much to touch them.

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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matt21 said:
Thanks! I mean depreciate less than a lesser car. I'm used to £5-6k per year depreciation. I couldn't justify this if it sheds £20k in 2 years
If depreciation is you main factor then get a manual mezger coupe.

There is a reasonable chance that it wont depreciate at all. I certainly cant imagine a 20k loss.


stichill99

1,046 posts

182 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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I can certainly imagine a £20k loss in 2 years. Lets be honest most OPCs would probably only be offering £45k for the car they will be retailing today at £55k. Add on another 20000miles and 2 years older and it could easy be a £20k loss. But then again you could be lucky and find a private buyer with £45k burning a hole in his pocket.....but I doubt it!

Fl0pp3r

859 posts

204 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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As others have pointed out, prices are definitely on the rise for good 997 Turbos (don't discount a 996, arguably an even more solid proposition right now) so as long as you don't put intergalactic mileage on it, i can't see you getting less than what you pay for it after 2 years. Just don't buy from or trade in to an OPC!! :-)

Edited by Fl0pp3r on Saturday 21st November 22:59

sealtt

3,091 posts

159 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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stichill99 said:
I can certainly imagine a £20k loss in 2 years. Lets be honest most OPCs would probably only be offering £45k for the car they will be retailing today at £55k. Add on another 20000miles and 2 years older and it could easy be a £20k loss. But then again you could be lucky and find a private buyer with £45k burning a hole in his pocket.....but I doubt it!
Yes, it is important to remember that dealer spreads are pretty chunky.

I do think it is worth it though, much better experience and peace of mind, but it does cost!

matt21

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4,290 posts

205 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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Thanks everyone.

I certainly don't have loads of money, and feel a bit like I am punching above my weight with this. However, I am "happy" to run a car that loses about £5k per year. If that gets me into a Porsche 911 Turbo then I accept the higher running costs.

I take the point on OPC. Maybe its a £5k premium, but will give added peace of mind and hoping the warranty is pretty comprehensive.

I suppose if I do take a bigger hit after 2 years I could just keep it longer as I am sure by that point values will stablise. Worst case I keep it for 10 years, at which point it will owe me nothing!

In reality the car will probably do 8k per year, so if I buy one on the low side of average, and sell on the higher side I am hoping it won't be stupidly impacted. If I can buy around 40,000 miles and sell before 60,000 that should still be sensible. I could always lock it in a garage for a year!

The lease car goes back in March, so the serious search will begin then.

Magic919

14,126 posts

202 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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Porsche warranty is the best, but it's not essential to buy there to have it. A nice private sale can include balance of warranty.

itsybitsy

5,219 posts

186 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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I would start looking now as you get the best deals winter time!come March prices firm up and not such a good deal to be had !

Dave Thornton

218 posts

150 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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997.1 (mezger) manual.
Full history and from a specialist with warranty.
^all the above has been said already.

However I will say that if you're gong to do 8k a year, then you'll need to buy lower mileage - on 996 turbos and C4S there's a widening gap between low miles and high miles, so plan to be on 60k miles when you sell, in order to protect resale. Sellable colour / interior combination too.

Petrus1983

8,784 posts

163 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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Yesterday my wife picked one up and I have to say I'm very, very impressed with it. All in it was slightly over £55k (bought in US so conversions apply) but it's such a complete car. I'm not a massive Porsche fan but don't have a bad word to say. As for residuals I don't see it being a problems - however - it will be interesting to see what the annual cost really is.


Nano2nd

3,426 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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if your buying from a dealer and selling back to a dealer then your already £10k worst off due to the spread, so you need to factor in the additional age and mileage after a couple of years... i think budgeting £5-7k a year would be about right, which doesn't buy much on a new car lease IMO

RWD cossie wil

4,322 posts

174 months

Monday 23rd November 2015
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Buy a well specced 997.1 manual in a good colour with a good spec, don't worry about the warranty too much IMHO they are pretty solid. I can't see you losing much on it if anything.

matt21

Original Poster:

4,290 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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What is best spec for residuals?

Black, manual, 997.1.5, chrono? Anything else. Perfect spec for me !