Saturday 12th December 2015

Lamborghini Huracan LP580-2: Driven

A lighter, rear-wheel drive Huracan should be brilliant, right? Time to find out! [Updated with vid]

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It won't have escaped your attention rear-driven Lamborghinis don't come around all that often. The Diablo was the last series car to be launched in rear-wheel drive, the Gallardo only got it six years after launch and the Murcielago never had the option.

Matt's poker face needs a little work

Moreover, they don't actually prove that popular. Yes, the Gallardo Balbonis sold out, but how many of the 'regular' LP550-2 models do you ever see? Not many. On PH at the moment eight of the Diablos for sale are four-wheel drive VTs. And on our recent Italian jaunt with Lamborghini, not one of the 28 UK customer cars was two-wheel drive.

Therefore it's really quite significant to have this rear-driven Huracan LP580-2 so early in the model's life cycle. It's a series production version too, available just like the standard LP610-4 and Spyder versions. Given they seem to be most popular with journalists rather than the people actually buying them, it's a pleasant surprise to see it introduced. Nice work Lambo!

The f-word
The good news continues. R&D boss Maurizio Reggiani is only too keen to stress the importance of fun in this car's development. Yep, the f-word in a press conference. Indeed, though there's a video of the car pounding round Imola, lap times are never mentioned as a priority. Presumably that will be the job of the Superleggera, or whatever the mega Huracan will be, but we'll return to that later.

Less, apparently, more like it

The 580, says Reggiani, has been designed and developed on five pillars: handling, power oversteering (really), load transfer, wheel control and steering feeling. A good list. Compared to the four-wheel drive car the 580-2 is 33kg lighter, with the weight balance now 40:60 front to rear. To that end the kinematics of the rear suspension are new, the springs and dampers are tweaked and the driving aids recalibrated to emphasise the "classic oversteering feeling". Finally, but just as importantly, the optional Dynamic Steering has received work as well. Though they are two different systems, you have to guess some of the experience from the Aventador SV must have been incorporated here.

Circuit training
So with that message of pure rear-wheel drive most definitely across, it's time for the track drives at the Losail circuit. Immediately there are positives to report. The Dynamic Steering - it's fitted to every car on the launch - is better, the impression now of a much more consistent system once lock is applied and less need to second-guess inputs. It still feels a little unnatural for those first few degrees off centre but it's much improved. And it's optional, remember.

'Just' 580hp but enough to be going with

Furthermore, any concerns a power reduction would neuter the Huracan are swiftly allayed. 30hp down it may be, but don't forget that 33kg weight saving too. Any performance difference would need a more seasoned bum dyno than mine because it still feels bloody rapid. It isn't as bombastic as the McLaren 650S or Ferrari 488 GTB , but then it was never going to be with between 70 and 90hp less and a massve gulf in torque. What it does feel is incredibly exciting, the engine rewarding in a way those two turbocharged V8s simply cannot. While they both produce peak power at 7,500rpm and above, they are also making so much torque low down that it can feel unnecessary to extend them that far. In the Lamborghini it's so noticeably more potent and ferocious at high revs and you will find any excuse to let it wail beyond the 8,250rpm power peak to the limiter somewhere past 8,500rpm. Combined with the flawless dual-clutch transmission, it's a stunning powertrain on track.

And the noise. The noise! Of course it's identical to the four-wheel drive car, but the way it growls, barks and shrieks its way to nearly 9,000rpm must be celebrated again. Lamborghini wants to stick with atmospheric engines for as long as possible, and it takes one run through third gear in this to be reminded why it really, really must. It's an absolute joy.

Slightly changed 'face' but otherwise visually identical

Given our time with the Huracan is solely on circuit, it makes sense to skip the Strada and Sport modes nice and quickly to give Corsa a try, tuned as it is "to provide oversteering characteristics". Before that though you will notice a keener front end, the lack of weight over that axle making an immediate difference. It turns in more sharply and, though the steering still isn't that detailed, you know that understeer is through too much corner speed and not the four-wheel drive juggling things round. Though the Huracan is dynamically very safe, the 580-2 puts you at ease more swiftly than the 610-4.

So what of the "classic oversteering feeling"? Well it's certainly there! Keep the power on through that initial understeer and it will gradually bleed away as the momentum moves rearwards. The messages come through your bum rather than the wheel but the corrective inputs are instinctive and the car feels totally composed and faithful as the rear Pirelli PZeros (also new for this application) just begin to overspeed.

The purist's Lambo ... but do purists buy 'em?

Computer says no
Frustratingly though the electronics don't feel as advanced as in the competition. Yes, the ESC has a high enough threshold in Corsa mode, but whereas in the McLaren and Ferrari it feels like the assists are there to, well, assist in your showboating, the Huracan is more strait-laced. The power is cut and you're straightened up smartly; it feels more like admonishment for breaching a limit rather than a helping hand like Side Slip Control. Work at the Lamborghini though and there's a nice operating window just below the ESC intervention, and it's certainly more entertaining than the four-wheel drive car. We'll aim to get the car on track in the UK for some huge drif - sorry, a more thorough test - as soon as we can.

And with the ESC off? Well the car is in one piece and there were no tears or screaming, so that's something. In fact the 580 feels superb beyond the limit, the rear following round really progressively in its slightly wider arc. That beautifully responsive engine means minute adjustments can be made, the car revelling in this slightly naughty cornering state. The problem comes - or at least this is the excuse you're getting after only a lap of practice - with the Dynamic Steering, its odd response making it hard to judge those last few degrees of lock as the slide is corrected. Then you'll get spotted with a slightly errant drift and be told off. Sorry. But with the normal steering - or most likely a more talented driver - the Huracan has all the makings of a rear-wheel drive Lamborghini that wants to indulge your hooligan side while also not actively trying to kill you. Hurrah!

Optional ceramics started to wilt

Along with the Dynamic Steering, all cars at the launch were equipped with the carbon ceramic brakes, which will be optional on the LP580-2. Do you need them? Tricky one. While their performance on track was good, the pedal went a little long after just a few laps. And at no point were they as confidence inspiring as you would find in a - you've guessed it - 488 or 650S, or even an Aston V12 Vantage.

Elsewhere the Huracan LP580-2 is as you were for the 610-4, which means very good. The wheels are new and the styling ever so slightly different but they haven't detracted from the jaw-dropping looks one little bit. The interior, while not as driver centric as the Ferrari's or minimalist as the McLaren's, is very stylish and simple to use.

To conclude, it really is very hard to see why anyone would buy a four-wheel drive Huracan over a two-wheel drive version. This new 580 is not only more fun to drive, it will be cheaper too; UK prices aren't yet confirmed, but we're told to expect a 13 per cent drop over the 610 and a list price of "around £160,000". It's therefore within McLaren570S territory and, moreover, gives the Huracan a unique selling point over the Audi R8, which can be specced to around £150,000 quite easily.

At present the Huracan simply isn't as rewarding or immersive as either of the McLarens or the Ferrari. But remember this is just the start for rear-wheel drive Huracans. Reggiani says a Pirelli Trofeo tyre is due soon and there will inevitably be faster Huracans on the way. If response to this car is good - and there's every reason it should be - who's to say we couldn't see a return to the lightweight and focused rear-drive Lambos? There's a factory racing car plus the success of the Aventador SV to build on. A Huracan GT3-R could be magnificent. The fun objective has most definitely been achieved for the two-wheel drive Huracan then, but the most exciting news is that there's even more to come.

Watch the onboard video here.

 

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LAMBORGHINI HURACAN LP580-2
Engine: 5,204cc V10
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto (Lamborghini Doppia Frizione), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 580@8,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 397@6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.4sec
Top speed: 199mph
Weight: 1,389kg (dry)
MPG: 23.7mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 278g/km
Price: c. £160,000 (TBC)

Browse Lamborghini Huracans in the PH classifieds

[DB77]

Good article, thanks Matt.

The issue with this car though is that the buyers of Lamborghini's typically are not looking for the most fun car - buyers (and this is a huge generalisation that I will no doubt get pulled up for!) of these cars want something to be seen and heard in. And, if your priority is racing from red lights and revving round Kensington, you typically want 4wd to allow you to race from the lights and of course the largest power output for bragging rights.

So, although I am sure this will be the better car, I bet very few are sold.

DB

[Buff Mchugelarge]

Good to see they haven't forget how to Lamboghini.
Bright green and a bit scary. Well done.

[Ed Straker]

As you say Matt - nobody is interested.
This whole piece is about getting a Lambo on track.
Have you taken a supercar on a track day in the UK? Try it.
Ideally one you bought yourself.


Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
So you are left with a car that "tries to kill you" or you drive like a District Nurse.
The clued up Manufacturers know this.
So they make cars that can be fun in a realistic operating window.
If the 570 McLaren looked like a Lambo it would clean up.

[Varn]

Good article Matt - thanks!

Nice to see a Lambo sticking to revvy N/A engines and offering RWD models.

Just a shame it's not a manual - yes the costs would be high as they'd have to design and manufacture it just for this model - but well worth it.

Still, 2 out of 3 isn't bad.

[stephen300o]

The thing they have over the competition is four wheel drive..

[Oz83]

Quite a modest weight saving. I'd have imagined the 4 wheel drive gubbins, axles etc would weigh more than 33kg.

[Vroom101]

stephen300o said:

The thing they have over the competition is four wheel drive..

Do the looks, sound, N/A engine and the fact that it's not a Ferrari count for nothing?

If I was in the market for a car at this level (now that would be nice!), the Huracan would certainly be nearer the top of the list now.

[Varn]

Ed Straker said:

As you say Matt - nobody is interested.
This whole piece is about getting a Lambo on track.
Have you taken a supercar on a track day in the UK? Try it.
Ideally one you bought yourself.


Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
So you are left with a car that "tries to kill you" or you drive like a District Nurse.
The clued up Manufacturers know this.
So they make cars that can be fun in a realistic operating window.
If the 570 McLaren looked like a Lambo it would clean up.

Yes, manufacturers will always aim at best returns - it's business. Unfortunately for some of us on PH, that means supercar manufacturers now produce cars aimed at the lower skilled end of the driver spectrum; AWD, 'auto', and FI.

Modern supercars - for those that can't.

Edited by Varn on Tuesday 8th December 10:11

[Krikkit]

Love it, as above I'm surprised only 33kg has been saved though. Presumably they've had to beef up the rear drivetrain to take 100% of the power all the time.

Ed Straker said:

Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
So you are left with a car that "tries to kill you" or you drive like a District Nurse.

Apart from having ESP which lets you have a little fun, rather than just cutting huge drifts, why does anybody buy a Ferrari or McLaren then? By your logic no-one would be buying the 348 or 650 etc because they're obviously going to be thrown off into a tree.

What a load of bks.

[stephen300o]

Vroom101 said:

stephen300o said:

The thing they have over the competition is four wheel drive..

Do the looks, sound, N/A engine and the fact that it's not a Ferrari count for nothing?

If I was in the market for a car at this level (now that would be nice!), the Huracan would certainly be nearer the top of the list now.

The looks are another negative really, and being old fashioned with the engine is not necessarily a good thing either.
Not being a Ferrari is also a negative.. Haha

[Jayinjapan]

Ed Straker said:

As you say Matt - nobody is interested.
This whole piece is about getting a Lambo on track.
Have you taken a supercar on a track day in the UK? Try it.
Ideally one you bought yourself.


Nobody buys 2wd Lambos coz YOU CANNOT DRIFT CARS ON THE ROAD.
If the 570 McLaren looked like a Lambo it would clean up.

So what you're saying is the rwd 570 would sell lots if it looked like a 4wd Lamborghini but the 2wd Lamborghini that already looks like the 4wd version won't? Interesting logic.

[br d]

Varn said:

Yes, manufacturers will always aim at best returns - it's business. Unfortunately for some of us on PH, that means supercar manufacturers now produce cars aimed at the lower skilled end of the driver spectrum; AWD, 'auto', and FI.

Modern supercars - for those that can't.

Edited by Varn on Tuesday 8th December 10:11

I'm off work after a knee op so have to sit still and kill time otherwise I wouldn't bother responding to this sort of nonsense.

So what do these modern supercars - for those that can't - actually give you?

The ability to accelerate quicker, corner harder, stop sooner and arrive completely relaxed. Take a modern supercar on an early morning hoon around the flat roads of the Loire valley and tell me they're for people who don't like driving.

There is a huge nostalgia for "real" supercars on PH and that's fine, the overwhelming response to a lottery win car around here is the F40 because it was such a superb combination of engineering and raw excitment. So it's perfect if you want to go to a show, or a sunny day drive or the odd cross country dash savouring the input and feel you get from something that connects you to the environment so directly. I'd have one in a heartbeat, if I could afford a five car garage.

However, if you want to thrash your way across Europe on a regular basis at speeds and comfort levels an F40 wouldn't even recognise, confident that nothing was going to go pop, leak or rattle and with an array of in-cabin options to keep you amused (if you get tired of the exhaust note) then you buy a modern supercar with all the technical wizardry.

If you won a million on the lottery tomorrow you'd have to spend pretty much all of it to get a good F40 or Countach that while looking fantastic would give you serious headaches if you actually started piling on the miles, alternatively for less than 200 grand you could buy this Lambo and do more in a month - with no issues - than you could in a very careful year in the classic.

This is not to denigrate the manual boxed classic supercar, they certainly are wonderful things that are rightly cherished for what they bought to the automotive arena but the ignorant "Oh well of course these modern cars have no feel or soul and are for people who can't drive" rubbish that gets thrown about around here gets very tiresome.

A modern supercar with all the trimmings is a stunningly exciting thing to travel in and if you are half a decent driver you will adapt to its modernity and take immense pleasure from it.

/Rant over, sore knee, grumpy, probably shouldn't have gone there

Edited by br d on Tuesday 8th December 11:45

[Gecko1978]

Only super cars I have driven was a Gallardo with a paddel shift. An a F360 Manual. The Lambo was less fun but I felt more confident, the 360 was hard to drive an awful driving position. But 3 laps at a track is not enough to learn either but modern supercars allow anyone to jump in and not die. Thats a good thing an then over time you can turn stuff off alter settings etc.

I suppose that does make them better than ones from the 90's but it does not make them as cool.

If you had to pick 1 Diablo or Hurrican. I suspect most would say Diable (Se 30 in purple please) but then a while later wish they had opted for the Hurrican.

[Varn]

br d said:

A long post

1) It's not nonsense - it's a point of view. My apologies it seems to have hit a nerve.
2) I never said they were for people who don't like driving - I said supercar manufacturers now produce cars aimed at the lower skilled end of the driver spectrum.
3) It's not £1 mil for what you refer to as "real" supercars - For example you can get an F355 for roughly £70k.
4) I never said these modern cars have no feel or soul.

[Snoggledog]

Dear reviewer,

Less talk please. I realise that you're doing a car test but as a viewer I want to hear more of the car and less of the chat about how good the McLaren is.

Thank you

[LasseV]

What, 40/60 weight distribution? Isn't that horrible thing?

[Vroom101]

stephen300o said:

Vroom101 said:

stephen300o said:

The thing they have over the competition is four wheel drive..

Do the looks, sound, N/A engine and the fact that it's not a Ferrari count for nothing?

If I was in the market for a car at this level (now that would be nice!), the Huracan would certainly be nearer the top of the list now.

The looks are another negative really, and being old fashioned with the engine is not necessarily a good thing either.
Not being a Ferrari is also a negative.. Haha

it would be boring if we all felt the same

[SirSquidalot]

I'm a big fan of this version! Think its the car i'd have if i was in the market, its a Lamborghini with 2WD what more do you need in life?

[Adam Ansel]

Surely the Noble M600 is the spiritual successor the the F40.
A proper car for real drivers.
650 bhp in 1,200 Kg makes it quite sporting.

Personally I think these cars have become very silly. Too fast for public roads, too expensive for tracks.
Ubersaloons and high powered SUVs are far more relevant in the real world.
And any true driving enthusiast would take a Caterham first.

[br d]

Varn said:

br d said:

A long post

1) It's not nonsense - it's a point of view. My apologies it seems to have hit a nerve.
2) I never said they were for people who don't like driving - I said supercar manufacturers now produce cars aimed at the lower skilled end of the driver spectrum.
3) It's not £1 mil for what you refer to as "real" supercars - For example you can get an F355 for roughly £70k.
4) I never said these modern cars have no feel or soul.

Okay Varn fair enough, you did hit a nerve so apologies for the rant (although I had pretty much blown myself out by the end there!)

You said "for those that can't". For those that can't what? My post was a reaction to a build up of comments like this and it *is* nonsense, invariably spoken by people who haven't had any real time behind the wheel of a modern supercar. What is it that people who drive these cars can't do? I'm very happy to admit that I'm no driving god but I have driven an array of very different vehicles for 30 odd years, why is it if I thrash my car across France it's only because I'm lacking in something that others have?

And yes, you can get a 355 for 70k and what a beautiful car it is but my point still stands. It will give you lots more trouble than anything modern and if you start doing serious miles for all it's purity it will fall a long way behind a modern supercar in just about every respect. And once again this isn't to say that it isn't a wonderful thing to own and experience, it's just different. But that isn't the approach of people I see regularly commenting on here, the modern supercar with it's technical aids is apparently somehow "dumbed down" and "lacking connectivity" and worst of all "driven by those that can't"!
Well a 355 still had plenty of modern tech when it was released so why not opt for a bloody Austin 7?

And maybe you didn't say exactly that, but plenty have and you did say "for those that can't" which is pretty damming so I can hardly be blamed for taking that the wrong way.

Look, I'm bored and irritable so I bit. Go back through these boards and you'll find tons of this stuff which I always ignore but today I wanted to have a say.
Modern supercars are stunning things with incredible tech and they are no worse for it, implying that they are made that way so idiots with too much money and no driving skill can manage them is downright insulting (and yes I know you didn't say exactly that but it's all part of the crap that gets spouted here).

I did say I probably shouldn't have bothered.

Nothing personal Varn, have a nice day.
(And if you're ever near me I'd be happy to show you just how involving a modern supercar can be ).

Edited by br d on Tuesday 8th December 14:57