RE: Zenos E10 R: Driven

RE: Zenos E10 R: Driven

Saturday 19th December 2015

Zenos E10 R: Driven

The most powerful Zenos yet turns out to be a very effective way of brightening a dismal winter's day...



As conditions go they couldn't be much worse for testing the most hardcore Zenos yet spun off the E10 platform. This new R has 350hp. It weighs well under a tonne. It doesn't have a roof, windscreen, ABS or traction control. It's tanking it down, the Norfolk roads we're driving on are slick with wet mud, it's dark, the visor on my helmet is misted up and, just before we left, Zenos development man Chris Weston cheerfully told me more than 50 per cent throttle will spin up the wheels in everything up to fourth gear. Brilliant.

Weighing in less than an S1 Elise
Weighing in less than an S1 Elise
The Lotus comparisons are inevitable given Zenos's proximity to Hethel, the fact many of its key employees all used to work there and the E10's positioning. But to put it into context the E10 R weighs less than the bare bones S1 Elise but has the same power as its most extreme modern interpretation, the Exige Sport 350. Its 500hp-per-tonne power to (dry) weight ratio matches that of the forthcoming 3-Eleven but it costs half as much and doesn't have nearly as much rubber on its wheels or aero to push them down onto the road. On paper it has the potential, therefore, to be a right handful.

If much more than 25 per cent throttle is deployed in the extent of our winter test drive it would be surprising. But here's the really shocking thing about the E10 R. Even driven at this lily-livered pace it's still huge fun. If the E10 was an impressive opening gambit and the turbocharged S realisation of what the car was really capable of this R is the moment Zenos gets serious. To put it another way, the E10 is fun, the S exciting and the R just a little bit scary. But in an entirely good way.

Got to hold on to that Alcantara wrapped wheel
Got to hold on to that Alcantara wrapped wheel
Untapped potential
In these conditions there's a constant sense of huge untapped potential. And opportunity for trouble, given sufficient extension of right foot. But even when left untapped the R is massively exciting, the knowledge you're barely scratching the surface somehow inspiring rather than frustrating.

Thank focus on the details like throttle response, pedal weights and a new, faster and slicker gearshift linkage for this. There's so much torque in the new 2.3-litre Ecoboost engine - same as that in the Mustang, related to the twinscroll turbo version in the new Focus RS - Weston jokes you don't actually need to change gear. And he's right. Third will pretty much cover all bases, at least on the road.

But the pedal position is so good, the throttle response so crisp and the gearchange now so positive you just want to stir it around, gratuitous blipping unleashing thrilling gulps of induction air and barks from the exhaust. Sure, it's a third gear corner. But it's louder and more fun as a downshift-to-second-and-nail-it corner.

Quite a crowded market now
Quite a crowded market now
Hedging your bets
Even in these conditions you're happy to do so without too much fear of things going a bit backwards through a hedge - an Atom's hairtrigger responses in similar conditions would be rather more of a handful, a hot Caterham wild but traction limited. Throttle response is excellent but smooth enough not to spin up the rear wheels as soon as your foot touches the pedal, there being a finely balanced combination of turbocharged thrust without any sense of lag. The meat of the additional capacity is felt in the mid-range too. It's all the more impressive when you hear Zenos only got its hands on this new 2.3-litre engine in October and the process of mapping it safely to this power output took a matter of hours. Yes, hours.

As such it's a case of the rest of the car perhaps needing to catch up a little. This development car is running a stock suspension set-up Weston reckons could benefit from a little firming up to cope with the additional forces the performance puts through the chassis. We'll have to give him the benefit of experience on that, given he's driven it in the dry and on a track with more run-off (and less oncoming traffic) than your average Norfolk B-road. It's still got an open diff too, a locker having been tested on the S but spoiling the delicate balance according to Weston. And if that sounds a familiar mantra don't be surprised - a mindset schooled up the road at Lotus clearly still inspires much of the thinking of the former Hethel men now working at Zenos.

This is a first taste of the R but from the bustling sense of activity at the factory to the much improved fit and finish of even this pre-production R you get a real sense of a company hitting its stride. The previously reported departure of co-founder Ansar Ali is an emotional blow but, from the business and product side, Zenos appears to be going from strength to strength. We look forward to another go in the R with a little more space to enjoy the upper reaches of its performance some time soon!


ZENOS E10 R
Engine
: 2,261cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 350@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 350@4,000rpm
0-60mph: 3.0sec (estimated)
Top Speed: 155mph (estimated)
Weight: 700kg (dry)
MPG: N/A (NEDC combined)
CO2: N/A g/km
Price: £39,995 (£43,995 as tested for limited production Drive Edition with following options as standard - one-way adjustable Bilstein dampers; quick-release steering wheel; carbon fibre seats; six-point harnesses; 'Black Pack' inc. black anodised 'spine'; short-shift gearlever; carbon leather interior; uprated brake master cylinder; Charged Graphite body panels; Drive decal set - further options available, see Zenos website for details, all prices inc. IVA and VAT, not including OTR charges or delivery)





   








Images: Max Earey

 

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Discussion

Boydie88

Original Poster:

3,283 posts

150 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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The measly 160 horses in my VX scares me in the winter months never mind what this little monster chucks out.

It looks glorious though.

(How long until someone takes offense to the plate?)

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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In defence it's a 'show' plate and we were driving on trade ones!

Dan

Krikkit

26,538 posts

182 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Surely this needs an LSD? You'd need to rework the suspension to rebalance it with the diff, but 350hp through an open diff is a recipe for drawing 1s at every corner exit, surely?

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Magnificent. Best of luck to them. drivingthumbup

SpudLink

5,860 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Krikkit said:
Surely this needs an LSD? You'd need to rework the suspension to rebalance it with the diff, but 350hp through an open diff is a recipe for drawing 1s at every corner exit, surely?
A year ago there was a LSD on the options list. I thought it would be an absolute necessity on the 250bhp S version. They withdrew the LSD option, stating that they did not wish to charge customers for something that they believed was of no benefit.
When I drive the E10 S, it felt like they'd built a car that was ready for more power.


Krikkit

26,538 posts

182 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Having driven the original, do you think 40% more power would necessitate one?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love either of the E10's available, and hopefully the coupe version will be just as successful.

rtz62

3,371 posts

156 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Dan Trent said:
In defence it's a 'show' plate and we were driving on trade ones!

Dan
'In defence' Dan, you 'may' be driving on trade plate but you were NOT displaying them, therefore you are committing two offences.
I appreciate how difficult it is to display them on a car like this (magnetic ones won't work, no windscreens to stick them in etc) but you should, as the UKs premier online motoring site, set an example, preferably a good one!

That aside, this sounds like a credible alternative to a Caterham and cars of a similar ilk, although if I was in the market for an Elise / Exige type car then this wouldn't be a competitior for my hard-earned.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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rtz62 said:
Dan Trent said:
In defence it's a 'show' plate and we were driving on trade ones!

Dan
'In defence' Dan, you 'may' be driving on trade plate but you were NOT displaying them, therefore you are committing two offences.
I appreciate how difficult it is to display them on a car like this (magnetic ones won't work, no windscreens to stick them in etc) but you should, as the UKs premier online motoring site, set an example, preferably a good one!

That aside, this sounds like a credible alternative to a Caterham and cars of a similar ilk, although if I was in the market for an Elise / Exige type car then this wouldn't be a competitior for my hard-earned.
We, ah, photoshopped it out. wink

Dan

V8 FOU

2,977 posts

148 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Dan Trent said:
We, ah, photoshopped it out. wink

Dan
laughlaughlaugh


(Probably broke some PH'er law doing that...)

hughcam

419 posts

166 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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rtz62 said:
Dan Trent said:
In defence it's a 'show' plate and we were driving on trade ones!

Dan
'In defence' Dan, you 'may' be driving on trade plate but you were NOT displaying them, therefore you are committing two offences.
I appreciate how difficult it is to display them on a car like this (magnetic ones won't work, no windscreens to stick them in etc) but you should, as the UKs premier online motoring site, set an example, preferably a good one!

That aside, this sounds like a credible alternative to a Caterham and cars of a similar ilk, although if I was in the market for an Elise / Exige type car then this wouldn't be a competitior for my hard-earned.
Yawn wink

kambites

67,588 posts

222 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Slightly pedantic, but 700kg dry is heavier than an early S1 Elise. I think the 1996 Elise was quoted as 690kg wet without fuel (or about 715 with a full tank).

Mind you, the S1 Elise had a third of the power. hehe

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 15th December 20:20

Axionknight

8,505 posts

136 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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hughcam said:
rtz62 said:
Dan Trent said:
In defence it's a 'show' plate and we were driving on trade ones!

Dan
'In defence' Dan, you 'may' be driving on trade plate but you were NOT displaying them, therefore you are committing two offences.
I appreciate how difficult it is to display them on a car like this (magnetic ones won't work, no windscreens to stick them in etc) but you should, as the UKs premier online motoring site, set an example, preferably a good one!

That aside, this sounds like a credible alternative to a Caterham and cars of a similar ilk, although if I was in the market for an Elise / Exige type car then this wouldn't be a competitior for my hard-earned.
Yawn wink
I know, what a miserable tt eh.

mattwilko

70 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Didn't get these when they first came out but they're really starting to win me round.

SpudLink

5,860 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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mattwilko said:
Didn't get these when they first came out but they're really starting to win me round.
I'm a bit supprised there isnt more positive response to Zenos on PH. A modern mid-engined alternative to the Seven at about the same price as a kit from Caterham, and made by the people that did very good things when they ran Caterham.

On the subject of the LSD, I'd be supprised if it's not back on the options list for the E10 R.

Harry Flashman

19,375 posts

243 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Want.

Will fit in tiny garage of new house.

Want more.

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

152 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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SpudLink said:
I'm a bit supprised there isnt more positive response to Zenos on PH. A modern mid-engined alternative to the Seven at about the same price as a kit from Caterham, and made by the people that did very good things when they ran Caterham.
Perhaps a bit too much track focus for many? The thing seems really good value though (at least in the UK), and there are a lot of clever details IMO. Especially the central backbone chassis and the way they designed the body work => smaller bills when crashed.

Wish them lots of success, especially with the upcoming cars for the less hard core wink.

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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SpudLink said:
I'm a bit supprised there isnt more positive response to Zenos on PH. A modern mid-engined alternative to the Seven at about the same price as a kit from Caterham, and made by the people that did very good things when they ran Caterham.

On the subject of the LSD, I'd be supprised if it's not back on the options list for the E10 R.
I suspect there might be a better reception for the E11 if Zenos can get it right as it comes with a roof etc. My issue with the track day specials (not just Zenos) is that so many of them are permanently roofless - risky in the UK.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Kolbenkopp said:
SpudLink said:
I'm a bit supprised there isnt more positive response to Zenos on PH. A modern mid-engined alternative to the Seven at about the same price as a kit from Caterham, and made by the people that did very good things when they ran Caterham.
Perhaps a bit too much track focus for many? The thing seems really good value though (at least in the UK), and there are a lot of clever details IMO. Especially the central backbone chassis and the way they designed the body work => smaller bills when crashed.

Wish them lots of success, especially with the upcoming cars for the less hard core wink.
I love cars like this (have an S1 Elise and a Caterham) but for some reason the Zenos doesn't do anything for me. Doesn't seem as much fun as a Seven and personally I am not a fan of the looks. Seems to be a good all rounder rather than stunning at anything in particular.

For that reason I am not drawn to it like my current cars or even an Atom 3R for instance.

Hoonfest

141 posts

213 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I think the appearance of this car could be greatly improved by dropping the ride height. It just seems to high to me. Other than that I think it has great potential.

Zenos

14 posts

128 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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SpudLink said:
Krikkit said:
Surely this needs an LSD? You'd need to rework the suspension to rebalance it with the diff, but 350hp through an open diff is a recipe for drawing 1s at every corner exit, surely?
A year ago there was a LSD on the options list. I thought it would be an absolute necessity on the 250bhp S version. They withdrew the LSD option, stating that they did not wish to charge customers for something that they believed was of no benefit.
When I drive the E10 S, it felt like they'd built a car that was ready for more power.
Hi all - we thought we would contribute to the discussion (hope that's ok as the manufacturer on here??)

As rightly pointed out we did withdraw the option of an LSD on the E10S. We found that the car really didn’t need one during our development testing and the last thing we wanted to do was to sell something as performance enhancing when, in our view, it added nothing to the experience - we actually found the car was more nervous in split mu conditions with it fitted.

With regards to the E10R, as Dan has quite rightly pointed out, we have used the E10S Track specification spring & dampers as our starting point. Our current assessment of the car on a dry circuit is that the power is not being spun away, however it does feel a little on the soft side due to the extra pace it’s achieving through corners - not necessarily a bad thing for grip levels though!! Whilst we expect to go a little stiffer for the final tune there is a risk that we get over obsessed with heavy springs when there is so much to be controlled by the damping.

So to conclude at this point; an LSD is not ruled out for the E10R, but to date with limited testing we still believe that the car doesn’t need one - I guess the ultimate test is a back to back lap time?

We of course welcome any thoughts on this and thanks for all your support and positive commentary to date

The Zenos Team

P.S. The E10R also “lays 11’s” and “doughnuts”……………