RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

RE: VW Golf R vs. its own hype

Tuesday 22nd December 2015

VW Golf R vs. its own hype

Is expectation the only thing the all-conquering Golf R can't out-accelerate?



Nine months and over 10,000 miles - surely enough time to decide whether or not the Golf R actually is the answer to everything or, perhaps, a victim of its own hype. The departure of our PH Fleet Golf is the end of one era for the R; the looming arrival of the Focus RS surely has to signal another. Yes, The Internet is soon to have a new benchmark car by which all others must be judged.

From STI...
From STI...
I'll admit to being one of the seemingly few unbelievers in the whole Golf R thing. First impressions back in May 2014 had me saying it was fast but lacked a bit of soul. "Right now a GTI Performance makes more inspiring use of a Haldex-derived drivetrain, feels more lively given its 94kg weight saving and costs nearly £3K less like for like. Numbers still matter then, you just need to make sure you're looking at the right ones," I said. Since then we've had a facelift of the forum hero it deposed - the BMW M135i - and confirmation of what to expect from the Focus. We've also had rivalry from within in the shape of the GTI Clubsport and the arrival of bombastic alternatives like the Civic Type R. Tough competition, even for a car as broadly talented as the R. 

Price figures nearly as highly as on-road performance in any discussion of cars at this level. £30K is technically the price we're looking at or around for the R, the M135i, RS and a host of other talented rivals. We've never had it so good either - for this relatively realistic benchmark you can now expect 300hp or more, a choice of manual, auto or dual-clutch gearboxes, three- or five-door bodies according to need, clever diffs, adaptive dampers, front-, rear- or four-wheel drive and looks ranging from the heart on sleeve track refugee to understated Q-car. Credit where due to the R - it boasts nearly all these choices in one very polished package and even offers an estate option too! I can't help but think we'll be looking back on this era in a few years time as a bit of a golden one in terms of the all-round, relatively affordable and internal combustion powered performance car. 

... to M135i. It was kept busy!
... to M135i. It was kept busy!
Bottom line
For now bottom line OTR price might have symbolic significance. But given the way many of us now buy our cars it is less and less relevant, the myriad lease deals creating moving targets for what's hot and what's not. And the potential for bragging rights on both performance AND monthly payments has certainly inspired many a 'spirited' forum discussion. 

I'd like to concentrate on what the R is like as a car though. But will defer to James's impressions, given he spent more time at the wheel than I did. "Looking back it seems unfair that more or less my only gripe with the Golf R was a slight lack of flair in how it went about its business," he says. "The simple fact is the Golf R is an incredibly effective way of getting from A to B at pace, and for a lot of people that alone makes a car fun, even when lacking a bit of drama."

People have different priorities in their cars and the incredible choice means pretty much all tastes are accommodated. Personally I can't let go of the BMW M135i's grip on the heartstrings though. The fact £30K can buy you a rear-wheel drive car with a 326hp turbocharged six-cylinder engine, which offers a choice of bodystyles and can be bought with a manual gearbox, still seems astonishing to me. We of course ran an M135i for a few months and I can still remember leaving the door open to enjoy the Skyline-esque cold start, appreciating the exotic feeling low-slung stance and, of course, the rear-driven balance. The looks remain an obstacle for many and there are some dynamic rough edges to polish off. But the appeal of a big six - especially compared with the Golf's awful synthetic soundtrack and soulless power delivery - remains strong. 

Well it was subtle right up until the sticker...
Well it was subtle right up until the sticker...
Back at you
The Golf R owner's riposte would be boasting of enjoying all the car has on the same wet, wintry B-road that would expose the BMW's traction limitations. A valid point. To which I'd say speed for speed's sake isn't always everything. And, sometimes, the speeds the R is easily capable of should perhaps raise your pulse a tad. 

Much of the time the Golf R was on the fleet I spent in another rival - the Subaru WRX STI. Many of the arguments comparing the two can be lifted straight from our much-discussed 'Battle for the B-road' story where we pitched the Subaru against the Audi S3, the Audi to all intents and purposes mechanically interchangeable with the R. 

When we put the Golf against the Subaru at our PHTV test track the R, predictably, annihilated the STI off the line and in a straight sprint. Launch control and DSG can claim much of the credit, the Subaru losing a car length to the relentless Golf with every gear change. Which was better round the twisting, greasy infield section of the test track? There were no stopwatches there but I'd wager, again, the Golf was in all likelihood the faster car. 

There's a fast Focus waiting for you next year!
There's a fast Focus waiting for you next year!
But, for those interested in the process of driving as much as the outcome, cars like the Subaru still deliver more. And, like the BMW's more impressive engine, the focus on 'real' engineering rather than electronically enhanced impressions thereof makes the Subaru a more appealing driver's car. If not as fast. Or fashionable. Or possessing as nice an interior. 

Spotting a theme here? 

I have huge respect for the Golf R. And it's not like there's anything 'wrong' with it, just aspects of its character that aren't to my particular taste. Quite a few of these were addressed/trampled on by the bonkers 450hp Revo Technik version we had in not so long ago. When I first drove it I said I suspected it was startlingly capable but just a little overly synthetic and the front-driven Golf GTI Performance was the better car. 18 months, several thousand miles and time behind the wheel of a ton of very diverse and accomplished rivals - including the GTI Clubsport - I can't say I think any different.  


FACT SHEET
Car:
2015 Volkswagen Golf R
Run by: Everyone!
On fleet since: March 2015
Mileage: >14,000
List price new: £32,220 (£36,055 as tested including £895 for 19-inch 'Pretoria' wheels, £1,765 for Discover Pro Nav, £815 for Dynamic Chassis Control dampers and £360 for Winter Pack).
Last month at a glance: Can the Golf R out-run its own shadow? 

 















   










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Shambler

Original Poster:

1,190 posts

144 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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The problem with the STI is that it looks a bit yobbish, The fact that the Golf is so bland makes it more entertaining. I have the estate version and there really isnt much to compare it too. I think the in group giant slaying against the RS3 and the RS4 make it a pretty special car.

rossub

4,444 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Shambler said:
The problem with best thing about the STI is that it looks a bit yobbish completely different to all the bland VAG products on the road. The fact that the Golf is so bland makes it more entertaining makes it completely undesireable for a hell of a lot of pistonheaders . I have the estate version and there really isnt much to compare it too. I think the in group giant slaying against the RS3 and the RS4 make it a pretty special car though.
Sorted.


TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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I just can't get excited about the Golf no matter how fast it is. The weird thing about it is the fact that its obviously trying to be understated, then they go and whack 4 ridiculous tailpipes on it which completely gives the game away to anyone who knows even a modicum about cars.

You can also tell they're readily available on cheap leases judging by the amount of them being driven by muppets who think they're in the fastest car on the road. Definitely a future chav chariot for me.

mackie1

8,153 posts

233 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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The STI looks like a yobbish version of a tall, narrow economy car with terrible proportions. The Golf is just a better looking car in every way but exciting it is not. I'd say that even if I didn't have one ;P

PhilGT2008

52 posts

189 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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I keep my R32 V6 MK5 as it has character given the glorious engine under the bonnet. The MK7 R is a brilliant car, but having driven one a few times it simply would never make me smile like when planting the right foot on an R32.

Each to their own, but for me driving is not all about the fastest and most capable.

TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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PhilGT2008 said:
Each to their own, but for me driving is not all about the fastest and most capable.
You would think it was given not only many of the posts here, but also the never ending power war that seems to be going on between the manufacturers. I suppose Toyota and Mazda are trying with the MX5 and GT86 but then everyone complains "but I'll get burned off by a 320d" biggrin

DUMBO100

1,878 posts

184 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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They're not driven by chavs, I have one, I might be a tt but not a chav

Carlique

1,631 posts

164 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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I admit at first I also tended to side with the 'mighty impressive but ultimately a bit characterless' view, but having just hit over 10,000 miles in just over 9 months myself in my R, I am actually finding myself loving it more and more as time goes by. Something in which I thought would not happen.

Ultimately for me the R is a car which I can enjoy it's performance on an almost daily basis, in all weathers, without it biting your head off. Something that can't realistically be done in cars like the Type R/M135i/Megane RS etc. If I didn't want/need a car that could be enjoyed 95% of the time, I wouldn't be buying a hot hatch and it's for that reason the R, for me, is the best one around at the moment.

Shambler

Original Poster:

1,190 posts

144 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Chris Harris and most of the other respected journalists seemed to be smitten by it. Is it perhaps because Dan is a bit of a BMW fanboy. Most of the articles on PH at the moment seem to be about that bloody M4

Granfondo

12,241 posts

206 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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DUMBO100 said:
They're not driven by chavs, I have one, I might be a tt but not a chav
Up in the oil industry capital there driven by the chavs tarts! wink

CerberusRogue

734 posts

127 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Shambler said:
The problem with the STI Golf R is that it looks a bit yobbish rubbish, The fact that the Golf is so bland makes it more entertaining rubbish.
fixed it for you

4 tailpipes on a car to take to Tesco? Meh.

Edited by CerberusRogue on Tuesday 22 December 17:52

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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PhilGT2008 said:
I keep my R32 V6 MK5 as it has character given the glorious engine under the bonnet. The MK7 R is a brilliant car, but having driven one a few times it simply would never make me smile like when planting the right foot on an R32.

Each to their own, but for me driving is not all about the fastest and most capable.
I think the Mk4 R32 is aging quite well looks wise also, amazing considering the standard mk4 is such a naff starting point.

I'd rather have a Mk5 Gti Edition 30 than the R I think.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Shambler said:
The problem with the STI is that it looks a bit yobbish, The fact that the Golf is so bland makes it more entertaining. I have the estate version and there really isnt much to compare it too. I think the in group giant slaying against the RS3 and the RS4 make it a pretty special car.
Why would anyone consider the Golf a 'giant slayer' ? It's a warmed up shopping car.

Coolbanana

4,416 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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I've owned several fast BMW's, a Porsche 911 and far more luxurious, higher-end vehicles but the R is proving to me to be a very much-enjoyed all-rounder that makes me want to drive it as much as any car I've had before.

Arriving very late in the game to VAG-ownership and unaware of what was going on in the lease-marketplace, I bought mine; outright. Based upon nostalgia from my teen years of long ago for the original GTI, Reviews and hype alone.

I reserved my hard-earned money this time around for a more sound financial investment in Property and went for a base-spec R thinking it seemed to have all the bits I actually use on a day-to-day basis - and I was right.
I like my toys but I can do without many that are simply extras and not really used much when I want to.

So the R is to me a bit of an eye-opener and somewhat of a revelation. You'd think VAG products were rubbish reading some folks comments on PH but, for me, the opposite is surely true if this little Golf is anything to go by. It is well put together and feels like a premium brand product. It is ergonomically functional, neat and tidy. It is a genuinely quick car and handles itself better in the wet than any vehicle I've owned previously.

Ok, so it is "bland". I'll concede that, but maybe I am too, so we are perfect for one another. If by "bland" we mean it doesn't scream 'Race Car, Boy Racer, Yobbo Mobile, Chav Chariot' then it certainly fits. It does, after all, only look 'slightly sporty'. While I appreciate cars like the Civic Type R, Subaru and Focus RS are good in their own way, they aren't for me on appearance alone. I'm not sure I would have wanted those looks on my driveway as a teenager either. Too Halfords I would have thought, even back then. Too 'trying too hard to be in your face sporty'. The AMG A45 falls into this category with its wing too.

I guess then, I like "bland". Others will like the RS etc and good for them - if they enjoy their choice as much as I enjoy mine, we're all happy.

"Soul". Hmmm. A tougher one. "Soul" often means different things to different people too. Quirks that can to some be annoying can be evidence of soul to others. Does the Golf R have soul then? To me...actually yes.

It's character isn't in the same vein as my BMW Z4M's was. That car was a hooligan; a lairy barnstormer. No, the Golf R's character to me is found in its willingness to be everything - to behave sedately and, dare I say, mundane, one minute but thrilling the next. Thrilling, of course, can only be soulful to some when it is forcing you to fight it, to be keeping you on the edge of your seat and challenging your skill-set. That's nice. Thrilling for me is demonstrating how accomplished the car is - making me nod to the Engineer's who made it and smiling at how good it is as I take a corner really, really fast.

Less skill and therefore less challenging, the latter. But then I'm not a car racer. I have never been to a Track and, truth be told, I have no ambition to either. Just not my thing. I do like to go around corners really quickly and accelerate quickly too. Simple likes. The Golf R provides those in all weathers, with aplomb and puts a smile on my face whilst doing so.




Edited by Coolbanana on Tuesday 22 December 18:11

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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You know you can turn that off...

mikey k

13,011 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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My company M135i is due for changing soon. I've had a few fast VW's over the years, this R ought to be right up my street but I just can't "get it"
I think I'll wait for the Focus, not had a Ford in a long time and they seem to be upping their game more recently.

MDUBZ

854 posts

100 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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I have to agree with the overall verdict.. i've covered about 4K miles in my R: it's quick, very quick, incredibly well built, and the understatedness has left many a 3 series driving sales rep bemused as it powers past. But it's all just a bit too easy on the B roads and that just takes some of the fun out of it for me. TBH I got the car as a sensible family hatch (didn't fool the missus), that i can have a bit of a blast in, and it fits the bill 100% so no complaints really. Would i get another one... probably not: using a pre family analogy obviously rolleyes I would quite happily go out with an attractive girl (8-10 range) even if she was a bit boring but it was much better to go out with an average bird (6-7 range) if she was a bit of fun; and herein lies the problem the golf is average looking and a bit dull to drive so it hasn't taken me long to start looking for what's next.. Oh and for those that haven't worked it out yet the attractive ones that are fun aswell can get expensive.. same goes for women! laugh

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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Just got to get the right blue wink


Evolved

3,565 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Are Subarus even relevant anymore? they're overly styled and look chavtastic, cool if you're 18-25 but make you look like a moron if you're older. The Golf is the more appealing package for anyone who has broken free of puberty though the numerous tailpipes do look a bit, erm, rubbish.

Funny as when I was mid 20's it was either the Evo or the Imprezza, the golf's of the time were just ok at best, I chose the Evo, classy looking chariot wink

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Coolbanana said:
Some interesting stuff about why he likes his R
Now that is how to do a counterpoint! Thank you very much, enjoyed reading that and very well reasoned response to the main piece. Have a mince pie on me!

Cheers,

Dan