RE: Isuzu D-Max: The car that killed the Defender?

RE: Isuzu D-Max: The car that killed the Defender?

Wednesday 23rd December 2015

Isuzu D-Max: The car that killed the Defender?

Need simple, unpretentious off-road transport that isn't the Land Rover? Time to try one of the alternatives



Here are an interesting couple of facts to begin with, before you dismiss this story as complete balderdash: not only does Isuzu have a bigger share of the pick-up market than both Nissan and VW, it also currently sells vehicles through five Land Rover dealerships. Isuzus are sold through Land Rover dealerships. Perhaps not killing the Defender then, but certainly making the most of the old stager's demise.

Road version only slightly toned down from rally
Road version only slightly toned down from rally
The Defender garnered quite a following on PH. Those that liked the car enjoyed its unpretentiousness, its off-road ability and its significance in British automotive history. The notion of a Defender being cool would probably (hopefully?) be lost on them. Those that disagree would cite its sluggish performance, odd driving position and cost as reasons to stay well away.

As well as private buyers, the Defender was used by various local authorities too. The demise of the Defender stands to benefit quite a few essentially, and potentially Isuzu by quite a bit.

Where the D-Max will not succeed in a post-Defender world is in the cool stakes. Despite the presence of a Huntsman model, whatever is added to the D-Max it remains a Japanese pick-up. The Defender has the whole cool Britannia thing going on and however gentrified the Isuzu is made it will never quite compare.

But where Isuzu does stand to benefit is in rural sales. "The biggest win for us is the Land Rover Defender's demise" says PR man Will Brown. Think all country folk are still using Defenders? No sir. That isn't just Isuzu's PR machine either. Honest. Up in Wales for Rally GB a couple of days after our D-Max drive there are loads around, and Dan will tell you there are plenty up in that there Yorkshire. Furthermore, as well as those Land Rover dealers, it's being sold at John Deere and Massey Ferguson outlets, plus a few 4x4 centres. If you live in the country there's a place nearby that will sell you an Isuzu pick-up, which hasn't always been the case. In fact it used to be sold through Subaru retailers, which isn't really where you would first look to find an Isuzu.

The stuff you need in the places you expect it
The stuff you need in the places you expect it
Isuzu is refreshingly honest about the limitations of the D-Max too. It knows other pick-ups, stuff like the Mitsubishi L200 and Toyota Hilux which outsell it, are more composed on road or have nicer interiors, so it doesn't pretend to make one. It makes a durable, dependable working vehicle for, well, durable and dependable working people who need a sturdy pick-up for work. To that end it was the first pick-up to be offered in the UK with a five-year warranty and the first to have a 3.5-tonne towing capacity. Apparently this is a concern specific to northern Europe, all other markets concerned with payload. Think about our obsession with track days and that towing capacity thing makes more sense; it's for pulling horses or horsepower! The D-Max Fury also starts at less than £20K, which is made to look even more affordable when you consider a Nissan Navara is just over £22K.

Enough of the favourable facts from Isuzu; time to feel the fury of a D-Max. First things first; it's not really a £20K pick-up. With the Pioneer touchscreen (£930), the leather (£1,325). The 'Black Roll 'n' Lock load bay cover' (£1,122.50), BedRug (£385) and Sports Bar and Front Bumper Lazer [sic] Lights (£1,069), the test car had a commercial vehicle OTR of £24,830.50.

Anyone who fondly remembers the way a Defender drives will be at home in the D-Max. Alright, it's not quite that bad and there's certainly more space, but 'agricultural' best describes it. The gearshift is sloppy, the driving position awkward and the twin-turbo diesel not that refined. No doubt judgement has been skewed by spending time in modern cars but this is certainly not the pick-up to replace the family estate.

Not as plush as the rest, but then it is cheaper
Not as plush as the rest, but then it is cheaper
Again though, it's a case of appraising the D-Max from the perspective of those who actually buy them and not of a spoilt motoring writer. That diesel may clatter on but it feels torquey and ideally suited to lugging along significant weight. The ride is choppy unladen, but the journo I'm driving with speaks of how much it improves "with a tonne of sand in the back" from a previous launch. The ventilation dials will make a TT owner stare mournfully into their TFT dash, but their chunkiness means they can be operated with big gloves on. The fiddly infotainment definitely can't but you get the idea; fitness for purpose is key with all cars and Isuzu knows just as well as anybody else what its customers are after. And the demise of the Defender only opens up a larger pool of customers to dip into, indeed for all pick-up brands to dip into. Certainly Isuzu's situation will have been helped by only having one vehicle to market but its strategies for doing this should be applauded.

The best of these, from the PH perspective at least, is the D-Max used in British Cross Country Championship. If you thought 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' was dead, think again. The D-Max racer competes in a production class, with the only modifications over standard are the usual motorsport safety paraphernalia, new suspension and a remap. So when it survives some of the brutal BCCC rounds (see here for the videos), it actually serves as a very good advert for the car's mechanical durability. The only reason it failed to finish in the past two seasons is when driver Jason Sharpe crashed it. Just the once. It has in fact won the production class in both 2014 and 2015.

Want to prove your pick up is tough? Rally it!
Want to prove your pick up is tough? Rally it!
A drive in the BCCC car on the Goodwood rally stage is revealing. That suspension means it deals with bumps better than the road car, absorbing the ruts on the rally stage more competently than the regular pick-up deals with pot holes. But it's really hard work, the slow steering in particular making the tight turns challenging. The 50:50 torque split remains as well, meaning any slides have it pulling quite a bit from the front too... See below for some terribly slow driving interspersed with the pro doing it properly.

Back to the original hypothesis then. Did the Isuzu D-Max kill the Land Rover Defender? No, in a word. Various factors will have contributed to that car's demise, ones that will keep speculators entertained for a long time after production has ceased. What the Isuzu is doing, or so it appears, is benefitting the most. It will be interesting to see how other pick-ups fare too. With so much apparent demand for vehicles that can cover every base, to find something so unapologetically focused on one fairly unglamorous job is rare but also praiseworthy. There will always be people who require simple, capable and reliable off-road transport, privately and commercially; with the Defender gone the D-Max looks a more than worthy substitute. Just don't expect to look cool, even in a Fury.


ISUZU D-MAX FURY
Engine:
2,499cc, four-cylinder twin-turbo diesel
Transmission: Six-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 163@3,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@1,400-2,000rpm
0-62mph: N/A
Top speed: 112mph
Weight: 1,978kg
MPG: 38.7
CO2: 192g/km
Price: £24,830.50 (Basic CVOTR of £19,999 with £930 for Pioneer multimedia and Sat Nav, £1,325 for Black/Red Fury leather interior trim, £1,122.50 for Black Roll 'n' Lock load bay cover, £385 for Bedrug and £1,069 for sports bar and front bumper Lazer lights)  



Author
Discussion

Jimmy Recard

Original Poster:

17,540 posts

179 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Are you assuming that the Defender simply won't be replaced?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Jimmy Recard said:
Are you assuming that the Defender simply won't be replaced?
I would be very surprised if there is a direct replacement, but not surprised if the Defender "brand" didn't continue.

There can't be much margin in flogging low spec work trucks to Welsh sheep farmers, but there will be plenty of money in flogging ponced up 4x4's that never get used off the road.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

141 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Willy Nilly said:
Jimmy Recard said:
Are you assuming that the Defender simply won't be replaced?
I would be very surprised if there is a direct replacement, but not surprised if the Defender "brand" didn't continue.

There can't be much margin in flogging low spec work trucks to Welsh sheep farmers, but there will be plenty of money in flogging ponced up 4x4's that never get used off the road.
If it creates any profit at all it will at least be considered. The current defender has been around since the stoneage, would be silly not to replace it. JLR would literally be giving sales away.

It will be replaced, when however I do not know.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
TheLuke said:
If it creates any profit at all it will at least be considered. The current defender has been around since the stoneage, would be silly not to replace it. JLR would literally be giving sales away.

It will be replaced, when however I do not know.
They have already given sales away. Land Rovers (read Defenders) used to be the default truck on farms, but most people ended up buying various Jap pickups. LR have pretty much lost the utility market in exchange for selling fancy cars to school run mums. I can't see them developing a replacement commercial vehicle without is being basically a car.

Usget

5,426 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Is this an advertisement feature?

Jimmy Recard

Original Poster:

17,540 posts

179 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Willy Nilly said:
I would be very surprised if there is a direct replacement, but not surprised if the Defender "brand" didn't continue.

There can't be much margin in flogging low spec work trucks to Welsh sheep farmers, but there will be plenty of money in flogging ponced up 4x4's that never get used off the road.
Hmm, you used that as an interesting diversion to an unrelated point.

Small Car

877 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
I think this product is led by dealers not the manufacturer. So well placed dealers who push the product, perhaps taking advantage of the lack of LR dealers. In mid Wales Isuzu and crap like SssssangYyyyong sold well because of good dealers and backup.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Ho hum another thread about these over rated poor copy of a jeep land rover pretender thingys..... why ????
performance car ? =no its got a tiny weezy transt engine
world beating off road = no it will leave you stranded somewhere so only mad people and townies buy them
Oh but they last for years = only if they have rebuilds every few monthes they will !!!
The only reason some farmers suffered the nails is up until recently there wasn't much else that had a 3.5 ton towing capacity but now the pick ups from Isuzu ford and nissan and soon the new hilux will tow 3.5
guess what they will buy now???

shake n bake

2,221 posts

207 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Willy Nilly said:
I would be very surprised if there is a direct replacement, but not surprised if the Defender "brand" didn't continue.

There can't be much margin in flogging low spec work trucks to Welsh sheep farmers, but there will be plenty of money in flogging ponced up 4x4's that never get used off the road.
So your forecourt has no pick ups or defenders on it?

Fast Bug

11,677 posts

161 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Article said:
not only does Isuzu have a bigger share of the pick-up market than both Nissan and VW
Really? In which part of the world?

I sold Nissan commercial vehicles and only ever lost 1 deal to Isuzu. Not only that, I knew a really good commercial dealer that had Isuzu and they hardly sold any?


thespannerman

234 posts

123 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Fast Bug said:
Article said:
not only does Isuzu have a bigger share of the pick-up market than both Nissan and VW
Really? In which part of the world?

I sold Nissan commercial vehicles and only ever lost 1 deal to Isuzu. Not only that, I knew a really good commercial dealer that had Isuzu and they hardly sold any?
Majority of the stuff used around me in the Yorkshire Dales is either a Defender or an Isuzu, not much love up here for the Navara, Hilux or anything else really! No idea why though!

crofty1984

15,857 posts

204 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
powerstroke said:
Ho hum another thread about these over rated poor copy of a jeep land rover pretender thingys..... why ????
performance car ? =no its got a tiny weezy transt engine
world beating off road = no it will leave you stranded somewhere so only mad people and townies buy them
Oh but they last for years = only if they have rebuilds every few monthes they will !!!
The only reason some farmers suffered the nails is up until recently there wasn't much else that had a 3.5 ton towing capacity but now the pick ups from Isuzu ford and nissan and soon the new hilux will tow 3.5
guess what they will buy now???
Um, have you read the article?

samj2014

554 posts

112 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
thespannerman said:
Majority of the stuff used around me in the Yorkshire Dales is either a Defender or an Isuzu, not much love up here for the Navara, Hilux or anything else really! No idea why though!
Quite a mix of stuff up here in North Wales.

A friend of mine works up in Scotland in forestry and drives a D-Max, quite a few folk up there using them. I'm not sure why the article is drawing parallels between the D-max and the defender in terms of drive etc. though, the two really are very different. the D-max being much better in pretty much every way, that is, whilst being just as capable off road.

p4cks

6,908 posts

199 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
Usget said:
Is this an advertisement feature?
This. It absolutely reeks of paid advertising.

Slow

6,973 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all
samj2014 said:
thespannerman said:
Majority of the stuff used around me in the Yorkshire Dales is either a Defender or an Isuzu, not much love up here for the Navara, Hilux or anything else really! No idea why though!
Quite a mix of stuff up here in North Wales.

A friend of mine works up in Scotland in forestry and drives a D-Max, quite a few folk up there using them. I'm not sure why the article is drawing parallels between the D-max and the defender in terms of drive etc. though, the two really are very different. the D-max being much better in pretty much every way, that is, whilst being just as capable off road.
Depends where in the country. Up here in the Highlands its all defenders with the odd izuzu or l200 making an appearance.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
quotequote all


Great look and a glorious history, the Defender. But it's all decades long gone, in my opinion.

Occasionally I become unnerved by some Defender defenders -- many of whom speak of this vehicle like the Union Flag or the queen. As time goes by, all I see is the motoring equivalent of a tatty bedsit with a water closet down the hall. And separate hot- and cold-water taps.

On the other hand, it helps when some of them (the Defender defenders) employ that peerless British skill of self-deprecation: an acknowledgement that they are defending something which is less about a car review and more about a profound minimalism and a slightly stubborn sort of proto-retro.






samj2014

554 posts

112 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
quotequote all
Slow said:
Depends where in the country. Up here in the Highlands its all defenders with the odd izuzu or l200 making an appearance.
He lives in the borders, seem to be a few foresters driving them, the higher paid guys in Discos.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
quotequote all
Another pickup to join the ranks of the Navara and the L200 being driven dangerously by unhinged loonies and parked in a way that will cause the greatest inconvenience and danger to other road users.

To be fair I'm sure there are some perfectly lovely, careful people that drive these vehicles, but I've not yet encountered them.

TVRJAS

2,391 posts

129 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
quotequote all
I had a 7 seat version of the same thing called a MU7 when living in Thailand.. Absolutely Brilliant it was. Nothing went wrong in 3 years of ownership and it was put through some pretty serious 4x4 conditions,every time it was used 4x4 had to be engaged.


jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
quotequote all
no one has bought a defender in the past 10 years thinking it'll be reliable and be able to 'out work' something like this. Even as a defender fan, they're poorly built/unreliable/very crude on the road/limited by space.