RE: BMW 850CSi: Spotted

RE: BMW 850CSi: Spotted

Sunday 10th January 2016

BMW 850CSi: Spotted

An M Division 8 Series looking better than ever on the eve of its 21st birthday



Here's a rare one: a BMW 850 CSi. A right-hand drive BMW 850 CSi no less. And, if the advert is to be believed, the only RHD CSi ever produced in Ascot Green. A genuine one-of-a-kind then.

Now many people will look at the CSi and think it's nothing more than a tarted up 850i or Ci, the former of which we featured back in 2012 as a £10K car. This CSi is not a £10K car, but more of that later. First it should be established exactly how the 850 CSi is not just another 8 Series.

Now that's an engine!
Now that's an engine!
It is in fact an M Division car, overhauled by the same people making E34 M5s and the last few E30 M3s at the time the CSi arrived. Its V12 was bored and stroked out to 5.6 litres from 5.4, which doesn't initially sound like a lot, but with a forged crank, lighter pistons, new camshaft, higher compression and tweaks to the intake and exhaust, it took power to 385hp from 326. Torque climbed from 361lb ft to 406lb ft. Still not huge numbers for a V12 of that size, but 'proper' tuning will always hold far more emotional appeal than a reflash of the ECU or forced induction. It received an 'S' engine designation too, like the M-badged cars.

The ride height was lowered, with M Division work on the springs, dampers and speed sensitive power steering. A limited-slip diff was added and the European models received four-wheel steering as well.

So why is it not an M car? A bit too subtle, by all accounts. Both contemporary and retrospective reviews suggest the controls are still a bit too distant and the general demeanour more relaxed than you would expect of a full M car. Doesn't make the CSi a bad car by any stretch, and it sounds rather like the M Performance range of cars today really. Don't forget too that the unladen weight of 1,865kg doesn't look quite so lardy any more...

Apparently the only Ascot Green CSi in RHD
Apparently the only Ascot Green CSi in RHD
It's a car worth getting excited about then, even without the M badge on it. Is it worth getting excited about at £35,000? There's a more contentious argument. It's a very rare car, and certainly desirable to a few, but many won't appreciate the significance over even a normal 8 Series. Comparing it with a Porsche 928, as would have happened back in the early 90s, is pretty favourable for the CSi though. For a manual 928 GT, albeit with fewer miles than the BMW, a dealer is asking £60K. Or for another coupe from 1995 with an even bigger V12 than the 850, there's a very late XJS V12. Quite a bit less than both the Germans too.

This CSi could be available for a while given the price and the niche appeal, but you imagine the next owner will be rather chuffed indeed. Which way to the autobahn?


BMW 850CSI
Engine
: 5,576cc, V12
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 385@5,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406@4,000rpm
MPG: 22
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1995
Recorded mileage: 70,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £34,995

See the original advert here.





[Sources: Auto-data, Road&Track, Hemmings, BMW E31.net]

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Discussion

McAndy

Original Poster:

12,451 posts

177 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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If I had that in spare change I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Lovely, lovely looking car.

Guvernator

13,156 posts

165 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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I've considered getting one of these from time to time as I think the 8 series is one of the best looking cars BMW have ever produced, the CSi is the cream of the crop and who could argue with an S designated M-division tweaked V12?

However it would have to be a manual in Estoril Blue....and not for £35k. I know the bubble has effected loads of cars from that era but they were £10k not so long ago.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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35k rofl

soad

32,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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McAndy said:
If I had that in spare change I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Lovely, lovely looking car.
Not keen on a colour, or price. tumbleweed

Theophany

1,069 posts

130 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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hornetrider said:
35k rofl
My thoughts exactly. Still a gorgeous car, even in that rather hideous shade of grün.

DS197

992 posts

106 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Guvernator said:
I've considered getting one of these from time to time as I think the 8 series is one of the best looking cars BMW have ever produced, the CSi is the cream of the crop and who could argue with an S designated M-division tweaked V12?

However it would have to be a manual in Estoril Blue....and not for £35k. I know the bubble has effected loads of cars from that era but they were £10k not so long ago.
Agreed. I hope to own one at some point in my life.

Dannbodge

2,165 posts

121 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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If I had 35k to spend on a silly car I'd love this.

cerb4.5lee

30,592 posts

180 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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I have always lusted after these and I always thought it was great that they came with a manual gearbox whereas most would suggest that it suits an Auto far more with the type of car it is and in many ways I do agree.

There is something nice about having a big cylinder engine like this and being able to row the gears though I reckon.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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hornetrider said:
35k rofl

Guvernator

13,156 posts

165 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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DS197 said:
Agreed. I hope to own one at some point in my life.
Unfortunately we may have missed the boat. I really hope this bubble bursts and the dealers, chancers and investors who are pushing the price of these cars out of the reach of enthusiasts take a huge bath soon.

soad

32,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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cerb4.5lee said:
There is something nice about having a big cylinder engine like this and being able to row the gears though I reckon.
A bit like 550 Maranello etc. driving

Davey S2

13,096 posts

254 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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385 BHP.

Just highlights how far the power race has come in 20 years.

Leins

9,468 posts

148 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Even as a massive BMW fan, I've never warmed to the looks of these, although an Alpina B12 does hold some appeal. Think it'd be a 928 GTS for me instead

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Guvernator said:
I've considered getting one of these from time to time as I think the 8 series is one of the best looking cars BMW have ever produced, the CSi is the cream of the crop and who could argue with an S designated M-division tweaked V12?
Agree completely. Even at £35k it doesn't seem to ridiculous given how high other, more recognised models are going.

cerb4.5lee

30,592 posts

180 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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soad said:
cerb4.5lee said:
There is something nice about having a big cylinder engine like this and being able to row the gears though I reckon.
A bit like 550 Maranello etc. driving
yes

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Always liked the pre Bangle cars. The Bangled car was an abomination, only rectified in the past couple of years.

What is not to like with a BMW V12 Coupe.

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

168 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Deep pockets may be required. Bloke here did $48K in maintenance taking is from 36,000 miles to 72,000 miles.

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/07/ebay-seller-spent...

J4CKO

41,560 posts

200 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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blade7 said:
hornetrider said:
35k rofl
Old st ? really ?

Wow, ok, its a big bag of cash for an old BMW, but E30 M3's go for daft money and this was way more expensive when new, and to be fair, better looking.

I wouldnt say it is worth 35 grand, I would say other 8 series are a bargain, it speaks volumes about now that their 80s shoulder pad styling looks almost meek, its a rather wonderful slice of german car history, much rarer than most of the main offenders and really, go and get a cheaper one with a bit less provenance, though I think this could eventually make some money, these are a bit of a hidden gem, still in the wilderness to a certain extent but sod racing pedigree, I dont race, what a way to waft.



m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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I really like the 8-Series but the 859 CSI is the only car is consider owning. If I'd known Id basically spend the purchase price of my 996 again in the first year of ownership I might even have gone for it. The one big problem is sitting in it feels too much like sitting in all the other BMWs of the same era I've owned or own. But still, a big front engine V12 GT where you can change your own gears mmmm.

DegsyE39

576 posts

127 months

Tuesday 5th January 2016
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Lovely car but at 35k your having a laugh...

The ''bubble'' is even affecting things like clean e36's dont even start with e30's

Ridiculous.