RE: Why we love rear-wheel drive

RE: Why we love rear-wheel drive

Saturday 9th January 2016

Why we love rear-wheel drive

Three different cars, one reason to love them all (and it's got nothing to do with going sideways)



Let's be clear. There are plenty of front-wheel drive cars we love. We're pretty keen on some four-wheel drive ones as well. No 'wrong-wheel drive' prejudice here. 

Boards ready just in case
Boards ready just in case
But rear-wheel drive retains a certain mystique and sense of wonder among folks like us and here, with three very different rear-wheel drive cars, we'll try and explain a little more about our fixation. Without resorting to lurid drifts and lots of tyre smoke. Good reasons for that too; first, as you'll see from the pics, it was raining pretty hard when we visited Brands Hatch for this shoot. Second, it was a public track day and much as we're all driving gods who drive everywhere on the lock stops (honest) track days aren't really the place to do it. If it's dry the tyre squeal upsets the neighbours. And in the wet the marshals are, frankly, doing a commendable job of saving us from ourselves. 

So here three members of the PH team pick a defining example of modern rear-wheel drive machinery and explain why their choice symbolises all that's wonderful about the genre. Without going sideways. Honest.



BMW M4
With xDrive variants and Mini-platformed MPVs like the heinous 2 Series Active Whatnot BMW has somewhat diluted its traditional RWD bloodline. Arguably the M4 attempts to compensate single-handedly by being the MOST rear-driven BMW ever built. 

Work with it and the M4 is a delight
Work with it and the M4 is a delight
Now, if you've been reading my PH Fleet reports you'll know this has been a voyage of discovery from fear and trepidation to full-on love. And a few laps of a sodden Brands Hatch illustrate why. Indeed, this session in the M4 was the one where I finally bonded with the car, despite setting off up the pit lane wondering if I'd make it past Druids before it tried to kill me.

If you want an easy introduction to the subtle pleasures of rear-wheel drive the M4 ain't the car. Because once those two turbos spool up you get a very quick lesson in how the steering wheel plays a mere bit-part in controlling its direction of travel. The lack of understeer means the M4's rotation comes on very quickly, especially if you've been a bit clod footed. Until you learn to meter the throttle effectively you'll be a mess of frantic corrections and/or DSC interventions. Get it right and the sensation of turning into a corner, feeding in the power and feeling the wheel straighten in your hands as the car rotates into the apex before the diff hooks up and slingshots you through the exit is just sublime. Sure, with space, denial and someone else footing the bill for tyres you can be more lurid. But the best moments in the M4 aren't the dramatic ones. It's that sense of transition flowing from foot, to hands and then seat of the pants as the infinite adjustments to the car's attitude run between engine, driver and rear axle. 

It seems incredible in this safety-obsessed modern age a car as rear-biased as the M4 could be sold as a mainstream product. When it's wild it's really wild. If you're clumsy it'll bite, hard. But when you face your fears, take control and work with it the sense of excitement stays with you long after the drive has ended. That's why, for me, it's one of the definitive rear-driven cars on the market today. 



Toyota GT86 - Matt Bird
Hands up, the Toyota wasn't at its best at Brands Hatch. But that was more to do with the wet weather ability of the Yokohama tyres than any fundamental issues with the car. Because the GT86 is ruddy great.

Not the fastest, but still huge fun
Not the fastest, but still huge fun
It's the balance that's so enthralling. That boxer engine sits low and far back, with weight distribution split 53:47 front to rear. So it means every time you brake, accelerate and turn, the car responds exactly as you would hope and all of the weight feels perfectly controlled around you. Even beyond the limit, there's no unsightly lurching our rolling around; always there's the sense that it's been honed to deliver a brilliant front-engined, rear-wheel drive experience.

Helping you get the best from the Toyota's layout are some finely harmonised controls. With a revvy engine, strong brakes and sweet gearbox, everything is there to keep you right at the centre of the action. The GT86 is not some powersliding lunatic like the M4 or the Caterham, but it never lets you forget its rear-driven nature - even at road speeds it can be felt tightening its line under power and steering without any torque corruption. 

They're lovely sensations, ones that aren't really available in many other places brand new for less than £25K. And it does them better than the MX-5 for me.

What's most exciting (or should that be frustrating?) about the GT86 is the sense that it could be so easily improved. With some better tyres and a smidge more power to exploit its talents at more modest commitment levels, it could be one of the rear-drive greats. For now it remains 'just' very good. But a car that I'm completely enamoured with.



Caterham 360R - Ben Lowden
On a wet and cold day at Brands you might have thought I'd pulled the short straw with an exposed Seven 360R, but there's nothing else I'd rather have been in. It's fair to say I'm pretty used to being in a Caterham too, having built my own 270R last year. I'd argue that with all the technology and driver assists in most modern cars the machine is driving you, not the other way around. In a Seven you feel plumbed into every control.

Maybe we went a little sideways...
Maybe we went a little sideways...
The steering is point and shoot, with the slightest adjustment being sent directly to the front wheels. Crucially for this celebration of rear-wheel drive you're practically sat on the back axle, so you can feel every nuance of the tyres' response to the accelerator. The tiny pedal box is the perfect place to learn the art of heel and toeing, with every gear change and adjustment on the brakes or throttle feeling so precise and controllable. The Seven fills you with assurance to push harder through each corner, without giving in to the slippery surface beneath.

Let's not forget the 360R is a smidge over 500kg, a third of the weight of Dan's M4. You brake later and harder into Paddock Hill, blipping the throttle as you shift down. Back on the power and your heart's in your mouth as you hurtle down the hill towards Druids, the car responding to your every input as you catapult out towards the short Cooper Straight. There's something so rewarding about connecting up the corners in a Seven (even more so when a bit sideways) that you just don't get from other cars. Even if you do decide to leave a corner with a bit of opposite lock, it's just so controllable and easily corrected. I've never driven such a rewarding car that instils so much confidence which is why, for me, it perfectly encapsulates all that's great about rear-wheel drive.


BMW M4
Engine:
2,979cc 6-cyl twin-turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual/7-speed dual-clutch auto (M DCT), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 431@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406@1,850-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.3 sec/4.1 sec M DCT
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,572kg/1,612kg M DCT (EU, with driver)
MPG: 32.1mpg/34mpg M DCT (NEDC combined)
CO2: 204g/km/194g/km M DCT
Price: £56,635 (Basic OTR)

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TOYOTA GT86 PRIMO
Engine:
 1,998cc boxer four-cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 151@6,400-6,600rpm
0-62mph: 7.7sec
Top speed: 140mph
Weight: 1,275kg
MPG: 36.2 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 180g/km
Price: £22,700

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CATERHAM SEVEN 360R
Engine:
1,999cc 4-cyl 
Transmission: 5-speed manual (6-speed as tested), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 180@7,300rpm
Torque (lb ft): 143@6,100rpm
0-62mph: 4.8sec
Top speed: 130mph
Weight: 560kg
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Price: £27,990 inc. VAT (360 kit at £23,990 plus £3,995 upgrade to R spec; factory build an additional £3,000; OTR package additional to factory build, including IVA, registration, one-year road fund licence and delivery to Caterham South £800; 6-speed gearbox £2,495)

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Photos: Tim Brown

Thanks to Bookatrack for having us along

[Sources: Drew Storms, via YouTube]

 

 

Author
Discussion

Zammy

Original Poster:

557 posts

163 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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I love the push of power from behind from rear wheel cars, especially in BMW's.

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

154 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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Article said:
and it's got nothing to do with going sideways
Bullst, we all know its because we all love to do a skid now and then.


Edited by SonicShadow on Wednesday 6th January 13:30

RossP

2,523 posts

283 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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Sums up my M4 (even better with a proper gearbox smile )

TurboHatchback

4,159 posts

153 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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I must admit the point of the M4 is slightly lost on me, far too heavy and expensive for a track car, far too capable for a fun road car and to compromised to be an uberbarge. The Caterham would be more or less my perfect track car (along with an Atom) and the GT-86 seems like a fun road car though on the road I'll take my little MR2 Roadster over all of them smile.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

130 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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Zammy said:
I love the push of power from behind from rear wheel cars, especially in BMW's.
I bet you do especially when he's called hansel

Alex

9,975 posts

284 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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I've had my BRZ 2 years and still always look forward to driving it.

The original Michelin Primacy tyres finally need replacing, but I am nervous of changing them for grippier tyres in case it spoils the car's perfect balance!

So I have bought a spare set of wheels and will keep a set with new Primacies for road use, and fit the other set with Yoko AD08Rs for (dry) trackdays.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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SonicShadow said:
Article said:
and it's got nothing to do with going sideways
Bullst, we all know its because we all love to do a skid now and then.


Edited by SonicShadow on Wednesday 6th January 13:30
Yeah, fair enough. But the marshals must have had their backs turned that time around Clearways... The desire with this piece was to say it's about MORE than just going sideways! wink


Dan

is1

188 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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TurboHatchback said:
I must admit the point of the M4 is slightly lost on me, far too heavy and expensive for a track car, far too capable for a fun road car and to compromised to be an uberbarge.
That type of car are all like that.
The "point" of it is, is that it's the top of the range 4-series for people who want the top of the range 4-series. M-cars have always been that way.
I suspect that some of the romance around them (howling straight sixes) is incidental.
When they had a tight design brief for homologation, they went with a 4-pot for the E30.

BarbaricAvatar

1,416 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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You could've saved yourself some time and just posted a single picture instead of writing all that under the title.


RossP

2,523 posts

283 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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is1 said:
That type of car are all like that.
The "point" of it is, is that it's the top of the range 4-series for people who want the top of the range 4-series. M-cars have always been that way.
I suspect that some of the romance around them (howling straight sixes) is incidental.
When they had a tight design brief for homologation, they went with a 4-pot for the E30.
Pah! I don't hold with that view at all. M Cars are much more than the top of the range. They are an entirely different animal to drive to the standard cars.

stew-S160

8,006 posts

238 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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I've been in RWD cars(one 4WD) for the past ten years near enough, and there's just rightness to it.

I'm currently in a FWD car(Celica 190), but it just feels wrong. I'm not one to hang the tail out at every opportunity in RWD cars, but FWD just lacks that rightness.

is1

188 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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RossP said:
Pah! I don't hold with that view at all. M Cars are much more than the top of the range. They are an entirely different animal to drive to the standard cars.
And that's fair enough. But that doesn't deal with "clarity of purpose" point raised by the post above. My point was, they are there for the customer who wants the best 4-series and the issue doesn't have to be over-complicated by "too powerful for the road, too heavy for track, too expensive" etc.

I also suspect, from a corporate point of view, BMW see it as the top of the 4-series range as do many of the customers who buy them new and use them to potter around in before trading up to the next model a couple of years down the line.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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TurboHatchback said:
I must admit the point of the M4 is slightly lost on me, far too heavy and expensive for a track car, far too capable for a fun road car and to compromised to be an uberbarge.
I suppose the point is it's better than a Fiat 500 on the track or barging, better than an S class on the track or round town and better than a Caterham or Atom barging or round town. That's the whole point of compromise, you can get acceptable performance in all three categories without buying three cars.

frg530

453 posts

158 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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stew-S160 said:
I'm not one to hang the tail out at every opportunity in RWD cars, but FWD just lacks that rightness.
This

The original Nick the Greek

366 posts

100 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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The uncorrupted steering smile

CABC

5,568 posts

101 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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xRIEx said:
TurboHatchback said:
I must admit the point of the M4 is slightly lost on me, far too heavy and expensive for a track car, far too capable for a fun road car and to compromised to be an uberbarge.
I suppose the point is it's better than a Fiat 500 on the track or barging, better than an S class on the track or round town and better than a Caterham or Atom barging or round town. That's the whole point of compromise, you can get acceptable performance in all three categories without buying three cars.
i'd agree with Turbo here.

If you can afford an M4 and other cars, then fine. M4 is great car that would liven up a daily commute and be civilised.
If i could only afford an M4 then it would be too compromised. 2 cars.

Back on topic. uncorrupted steering and rotation. No matter how great the Renault RSs are (and they truly are), there unlikely to be more rewarding than a *good* rwd.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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Nickbrapp said:
Zammy said:
I love the push of power from behind from rear wheel cars, especially in BMW's.
I bet you do especially when he's called hansel
Oh well, third time lucky?

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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frg530 said:
stew-S160 said:
I'm not one to hang the tail out at every opportunity in RWD cars, but FWD just lacks that rightness.
This
yes I completely agree - RWD just flows and feels right to me. Yes, it's not about sideways, because whilst that's a laugh now and then, for me it's a side interest and party trick that plays second fiddle to actually driving and enjoying a car. Besides, you can go sideways in any car, it doesn't need to be RWD (in fact I prefer FWD for sideways..).

It's personal taste, but my first road car was FWD, my second 4WD and my first, longest owned and most successful race car was FWD. However, everything else I've owned since then has been RWD. Yes, I like a good FWD car, but I've yet to drive one that I prefer to a good rear drive car, and for me it doesn't matter if its a commuting tool or a racing car. I'd never say never, but from what I've driven to date I very much doubt I'll ever own another FWD car, be it for the road or track.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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CABC said:
i'd agree with Turbo here.

If you can afford an M4 and other cars, then fine. M4 is great car that would liven up a daily commute and be civilised.
If i could only afford an M4 then it would be too compromised. 2 cars.

Back on topic. uncorrupted steering and rotation. No matter how great the Renault RSs are (and they truly are), there unlikely to be more rewarding than a *good* rwd.
I would like to take the M3 on track at some point but I know it would destroy a set of tyres, etc in a short while. Then the paintwork would probably get peppered again and the brakes, well they probably wouldn't smile

Great road car, but if funds allow i'd definitely always keep a toy for the track.

However, rwd all the way for me, it is just more fun.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th January 2016
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It feels a purer experience when the front wheel steer and rears drive, less oddness at the limit. I've yet to buy a fwd, whatever that means...