Monday 11th January 2016

McLaren 570S vs. 911 Turbo S vs. R8 V10 Plus

Impressing in Portugal is all well and good, but how does the new McLaren fare against the best £150K sports cars? To Wales!

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Even on a dull winter morning, it's impossible not to smile walking out to these three. The Vegas Yellow Audi has chosen for this R8 V10 Plus is as subtle as it sounds, a blaze of sunshine on a dank Wednesday. The 911 Turbo S broods in the corner, a familiar but fierce adversary for any £150K sports car.

Then there's the 570S. The reason we're here. In this company, with the R8 clearly inspired by the first generation and the 911 being, well, a 911 Turbo, it looks fantastically exotic. This may be McLaren at a lower price point than ever, but it looks every millimetre the bona fide supercar.

At £143,000 for the 570S, the new Sports Series faces rivals not previously on the McLaren radar and this pair is arguably best. It was too early to include a Huracan LP580-2, but both the Porsche and Audi will provide a very stern test. From Portimao the 'real world' doesn't come much more real than a sodden Wales, after all.

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Porsche 911 Turbo S
Driving along the M4, the 911 Turbo S seems like a good car to start in. For so long it's been the go-to choice for anyone after towering performance in a usable, practical package, remaining a formidable opponent even with its facelift imminent.

911's pace in these conditions is devastating

How on earth can the new car be quicker than this though? Sure, the Turbo S is not the most immersive 911 experience, but the confidence it engenders to brake later, turn harder and accelerate sooner is just staggering. It's certainly not a light car but the combination of exemplary damping, the indefatigable brakes and the freakish four-wheel steer give it the ability to cover ground at a ferocious rate. That engine just keeps on hauling and combined with the excellent PDK 'box the sensation is of unabated, unapologetic and plain brutal speed. If it looked the old stager, the 911 has more than established itself by the time it meets the R8 and 570S.

Moreover, it's far from outclassed even after exposure to those two. More detailed observations will follow but it steers better than the Audi and it feels as fast here as the lighter, more powerful McLaren. Yes, the conditions could hardly be better suited for a 911 Turbo, but its abilities are plain to see.

Once we're done, it's the car that looks pretty appealing to drive home too. And that's what the Turbo S does so well; there simply isn't a scenario it struggles with. It will take you to Wales in comfort, play the rocket ship once you're there and then slip back in with the masses on the way home. It's a car of personality too, the ability to switch between normal and nutty really quite endearing. To the next contender...

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Audi R8 V10 Plus
More words than used in this whole test could be dedicated to the R8's powertrain: it's genuinely spectacular. Even in this company both gearbox and engine feel superior in response, noise and sheer excitement. Those fleeting moments you can extend that 5.2-litre V10 towards 8,500rpm are to be savoured, its savage yowl beyond 6,000rpm quite sublime. The next gear is engaged immediately and it goes again, yearning for another run to the limiter.

Engine superb; rest of package harder to love

But the praise can be less unequivocal elsewhere. The optional Dynamic Steering continues to frustrate, undermining confidence as it decides the lock that should be applied. Annoyingly it's only after the test that it's pointed out the 'Dry' mode keeps the steering ratio fixed. In any mode however it's numb and doesn't help in conditions like this.

Once it dries out slightly, trust builds in the R8 and it becomes a much more entertaining companion. It feels lighter than its kerbweight, darting into bends while feeling eager and poised, with fantastic composure over the bumpy Welsh B-roads.

Problem is, on this fairly brief encounter at least, the R8 just isn't quite as enjoyable as the old R8. No doubt it's objectively a more accomplished car, but for entertainment and fun it's far tougher to call. The old car's steering was less immediate but more feelsome and the damping just seemed to flow that tiny bit better with UK roads. It felt like an excellent supercar that just happened to have an Audi badge on it; this R8 feels like a much more natural extension of the Audi range, with everything good and bad that that entails. It's a very good car with a sublime engine, of that there's no doubt, but it's a hard one to love on this experience.

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McLaren 570S
By the time others have been in the McLaren, the cream carpets are mucky and the seats wet with the rain that pours in every time a door opens. If the Porsche suits these conditions the 570S looks out of place, the car surely designed for more lavish locations. Time to finish the McDonald's and start driving then...

UK roads don't come much more UK than these!

Grubby or otherwise, the McLaren's driving environment is a triumph. You sit low but the scuttle is low too, making for great visibility. The pedals are perfectly set and the wheel is a model of simplicity, one to make the Audi's look cluttered and fussy.

Similarities with other McLarens continue on the road. There's a pliancy to the ride that its heavier rivals simply can't match; even with a more conventional set up than the 650S, the 570 mimics its ability to almost glide with a surface, comfort and control perfectly matched in all modes. The steering too is excellent, delicately weighted and yet with more detail in the first few metres than the Audi provides all day. Which is handy, because Pirelli P Zero Corsas really don't like standing water...

Those tyres and rear-wheel drive mean there's no chance of the McLaren matching the other two for pace in Wales. It's the only one that struggles for brake pedal feel initially too, the ceramics needing temperature to perform. That being said, the McLaren is easily the most rewarding and exciting car to drive. Where the Porsche can feel like technology is the major enabler to its pace and the Audi a little aloof, the McLaren is the only one that feels like a truly lightweight, finely honed and engaging sports car. It's brilliant, in fact.

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Verdict
Hopefully it won't be a surprise to learn that this is a tough conclusion to reach, all three delivering in certain areas the others can't match. The Audi is a very good car that feels like it's living in the in the shadow of its predecessor. Precociously talented and wickedly fast, it certainly holds key advantages over its two rivals. But in a limited time it didn't quite connect with the driver where crucially the old car would have immediately beguiled. Subjective gripes appear harsh justification for third place but it goes to show the talent on display.

Not perfect, but certainly the best here

The Porsche sneaks into second. Just. Another time the Audi could have taken it, yet the 911's ability to not only deal with such horrendous conditions but also entertain through them is mesmerising. Perhaps it got lucky but there's no denying it was mightily impressive on the day.

The McLaren is a clear winner though, despite Wales's best efforts to assist the four-wheel drive cars. Yes, this particular 570S is noticeably more expensive than the Audi and Porsche, but that premium is accounted for in mostly cosmetic extras. Beyond those the McLaren's innate advantages, the dynamics, sense of occasion and sheer desirability, put it on another plane. The ideal combination would be a McLaren with the Audi's engine and the practicality of the 911, but we'll pack less and deal with the lag: the 570S is comfortably the best car.

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PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
Engine: 3,800cc, flat-six, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 560@6,500-6,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553@2,100-4,250rpm
0-62mph: 3.1sec
Top speed: 197mph
Weight: 1,605kg (DIN unladen)
MPG: 29.0 (combined)
CO2: 227g/km
Price: £142,939 (Base of £140,852 with £1,311 for Adaptive cruise control, £299 for light design package, £235 for rear wiper, £121 for online services, £121 for ISOFIX child seat mountings)

AUDI R8 V10 PLUS
Engine: 5,201cc V10
Transmission: 7-speed dual clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 610@8,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 413@6,500rpm*
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 205mph
Weight: 1,630kg (EU, including 75kg driver)
MPG: 23 [NEDC combined]
CO2: 287g/km*
Price: £154,700 (Base of £132,715 with £650 for Black fine Nappa leather sports seats with Vegas yellow contrast stitching, £600 for reversing camera, £2,950 for Gloss Carbon engine bay trim, £3,000 for LED headlights with Audi laser light and high-beam assist, £250 for storage package, £1,800 for sport exhaust system, £1,200 for Dynamic Steering, £1,600 for Audi magnetic ride, £475 for pneumatic seat backrest and side bolster adjustment, £2,400 for Alcantara headlining with stitched diamond design, £275 for cruise control, £50 for smoking package, £1,750 for Bang and Olufsen advanced sound system, £450 for Audi phone box, £630 for delivery charge, £1,100 for road fund license and £55 for first registration fee)

MCLAREN 570S
Engine: 3,799cc, twin-turbo V8
Transmission: 7-speed SSG, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 570@7,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 443@5,000-6500rpm
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 204mph
Weight: 1,313kg (dry)
MPG: 26.6
CO2: 249g/km
Price: £183,780 (Base of £143,250 with £3,420 for Vermilion Red elite paint, £5,540 for Carbon fibre pack 1, £7,730 for Carbon fibre pack 2, £3,180 for sports exhaust, £4,300 for super-lightweight wheels, £880 for special colour brake calipers, £2,470 for 'By McLaren' designer interior, £3,400 for Bowers and Wilkins 12-speaker audio system upgrade, £2,620 for electric and heated memory seats, £960 for front and rear parking sensors, £990 for rear view camera, £1,990 for nose lift and £3,050 for Carbon fibre seat backs)

Photos: Luc Lacey

[heihei]

Fantastic result for Mclaren. Having driven the 570S, my only gripe is it's width - it's as wide as a 5-series estate! Losing a bit of girth would make it easier to press on with a bit more confidence on some of our narrower roads. That said, I still thought it was sensational, and a much more memorable drive than the 458 I drove in comparison.

[truck71]

I want a 570S more than any other car on sale today- that colour really suits it too.

[k-ink]

If I lived somewhere wide an open such as Europe, I'd take the R8 to hear the screaming V10.

However as I live in the damp and crowded UK, I'd take the 911 Turbo. Simply as it is the most compact, has AWD, plus huge torque at lower revs, all making it easier to live with as a daily weapon. I'd prefer it more again if it was a size smaller (two seats would be fine). In fact please put the AWD and 911 turbo engine in a Cayman

[Axionknight]

I'd take the 570S if I were in the fortunate position of choosing, the Porsche is a close second though, what a fabulous piece of machinery - the R8 doesn't really do it for me though, pass.

McLaren 570S in that OTT bright green colour they use with a black interior, please

[k-ink]

In terms of looks:

I find McLarens new swoopy theme a bit naff and Korean.

The Audi is a bit origami (I prefer the previous one).

The 911 is getting old, but is rather inoffensive and classic.

[wolfracesonic]

Did you at least make a token effort to clean the McLaren's carpets before handing it back? Probably not the best colour choice for carpet in this country.

[Scuffers]

k-ink said:

In terms of looks:

I find McLarens new swoopy theme a bit naff and Korean.

The Audi is a bit origami (I prefer the previous one).

The 911 is getting old, but is rather inoffensive and classic.

I agree with you, the old MP4-12C looks much more "at ease" with it's design, the new 650 and this 570 I think will date very fast, the look like the designer felt they had to do something.

Audi looks like an Audi, that front grill looked OK on one car, but it's just too dominant.

911 looks like a 911, lot to be said for that.

[LukeDM]

I like the Porsche, but I haven't driven any of them. Interesting to see that the Audi has £20k of extras and the McLaren has £40k!! Would it make any difference if they were all standard cars? I suppose if you are in the market for such a car then £40k of optional extras wouldn't be a big deal.

[MrTappets]

Scuffers said:

I agree with you, the old MP4-12C looks much more "at ease" with it's design, the new 650 and this 570 I think will date very fast, the look like the designer felt they had to do something.

Audi looks like an Audi, that front grill looked OK on one car, but it's just too dominant.

911 looks like a 911, lot to be said for that.

I've a feeling if the McLaren were specced in silver or grey, and didn't have too many of the contrast carbon bits stuck on, it would look more timeless

[Wills2]

The 570s looks fantastic on the outside but then again at 180k+ it needs to, I'd pick it out of the three but the DNP/Hazard buttons look dreadful for a car at this price level and look like they've been lifted from a transit.

[suffolk009]

The Porsche leaves me cold (they always have done), but then I've not driven anything newer than a 993.

The old R8 appeals more than this one. Maybe the looks will grow on me.

I'd have the McLaren all day long. But £40,000 for extras! Blimey.

I sincerely hope somebody is currently speccing a Papaya Orange, black interior, orange stitched, low spec car (I may be the only person who doesn't like carbon bits). Then I can buy it fourth or fifth hand in ten years time.

[mwstewart]

k-ink said:

The Audi is a bit origami (I prefer the previous one)

That's a good word for it.

The Porsche and Audi don't really compare to the MacLaren - it's the only Supecar there.

[k-ink]

Well you could argue the noise of a screaming na V10 is the only supercar engine in that list.

It comes down to the entire package for me. Forget labels.

[mwstewart]

k-ink said:

Well you could argue the noise of a screaming na V10 is the only supercar engine in that list.

It comes down to the entire package for me. Forget labels.

Quite.

[je777]

suffolk009 said:

(I may be the only person who doesn't like carbon bits).

No, you're not.The point of carbon is that it's light, so why are you adding carbon? Alright, so it might be lighter than whatever it's replacing, but by how many grams? It's there to look 'racey', but it looks tacky.
Exposed carbon on actual, structural carbon bits, fine. Otherwise, no: it's like fake mesh, fake diffusers, etc.

[rtz62]

It amazes me as a man in his early 50's that the 911 Turbo has been around in various guises since 1975.
40 years, give or take the odd month.
And in that time it has seen off so many pretenders to its crown.
But I actually wonder how much they can now 'improve' the breed without diluting the experience, as to me, a man of perhaps a bit above average driving ability (but no Stig), more ad more speed/power does not make an exciting car to drive.
That aside, I am a man of modest means, so would have to wait 4 or 5 years for any of these to be even vaguely affordable, and would then likely as not also factor in service costs etc.
My head would say that the Porsche is the de facto choice for me as I have 2 pre-teen children and therefore it could accommodate them. Just.
The Audi would be a 'sensible' choice, and perhaps nothing more.
The McLaren is the hearts choice as it is so new, offers such a different driving experience (remember, I'm old enough to have had mainly rwd in nearly all my early cars) and is the one that would make me turn around and open the garage door just once more before going into my home.
But.
Who the heck is dumb enough to order cream carpets (a la McLaren)?

[Wilmslowboy]

570s as tested - £184k

[Scuffers]

Wilmslowboy said:

570s as tested - £184k

the 'Options'

£3,420 for Vermilion Red elite paint
£5,540 for Carbon fibre pack 1
£7,730 for Carbon fibre pack 2
£3,180 for sports exhaust
£4,300 for super-lightweight wheels
£880 for special colour brake calipers
£2,470 for 'By McLaren' designer interior
£3,400 for Bowers and Wilkins 12-speaker audio system upgrade
£2,620 for electric and heated memory seats
£960 for front and rear parking sensors
£990 for rear view camera
£1,990 for nose lift
£3,050 for Carbon fibre seat backs

realistically, you could live without all of them..

[Matt Bird]

wolfracesonic said:

Did you at least make a token effort to clean the McLaren's carpets before handing it back? Probably not the best colour choice for carpet in this country.

We did, honest! Pics taken right towards the end of the day. Colour combo can't be a coincidence given how most cars out of Maranello look...

[Matt Bird]

LukeDM said:

I like the Porsche, but I haven't driven any of them. Interesting to see that the Audi has £20k of extras and the McLaren has £40k!! Would it make any difference if they were all standard cars? I suppose if you are in the market for such a car then £40k of optional extras wouldn't be a big deal.

I really don't think it would, if anything the Audi would probably be improved! Taking out Dynamic Steering would help, Dan seemed to think the standard dampers were fine also. I'm not sure you really need 'Gloss Carbon engine bay trim' or the laser headlights either.

As for the McLaren, most of that £40K is carbon trinkets, I think the only things that would influence it dynamically are the super lightweight wheels and the sports exhaust. Certainly not enough to sway the final order. I think you would have to have the nose lift and reversing camera (just to be sure!) but the rest is simply garnish. Mantis Green for me too I think!


Matt