RE: CarPlay: OE versus aftermarket

RE: CarPlay: OE versus aftermarket

Wednesday 13th January 2016

CarPlay: OE versus aftermarket

Might the aftermarket be the better place to invest your infotainment budget? Old car tech makeover says possibly so



It's with no little relief I see Mercedes has integrated the infotainment screen into the dash for the new E-Class, if only for the quiet life. We've reviewed new Mercs with twin-turbo V8s but the firm's damned faux tablet display seems to have caused greater excitement among PHers. 

Which does at least underline how important this stuff is for day to day driving. Y'know, when not actually cornering on the door handles, sideways in clouds of tyre smoke or setting new Nurburgring lap records. 

Hopping between lots of different press cars offers insight on which manufacturers do this well and which don't. And how cruelly the rapid obsolescence of in-car tech dates otherwise brand new vehicles. Witness the pixellated, sluggish touchscreen in the PH Fleet RangeRover Sport SVR for example. The car is fresh in the market but its otherwise stylish and beautifully appointed cabin is let down by a system that, by manufacturer development cycles, would have been bang up to date when signed off for production. JLR is investing heavily in app-driven InControl and other systems but developing infotainment hardware for cars costs millions, takes time and, by its nature, will always be lagging behind the consumer tech sector. 

Dan gets run through the options
Dan gets run through the options
Old before your time
Something highlighted even more dramatically when browsing the kind of cars many of us lust over in the PH classifieds. I recently took a ride in an E46 M3 and was shocked at the comedic postage stamp sized 'Business Nav' screen. But back in the day the original owner would have been convinced by his dealer the £1,480 option price had to be paid in the name of having the latest tech and protecting residuals. Yet if I was in the market now and had two identical M3s to choose between I'd go for the one without the obsolete factory nav. Still though, dealer margins on new cars are still swelled by convincing us we need to tick the options boxes for factory fit in-car tech; can the aftermarket serve the same demand for owners and buyers of older cars too? 

Full disclosure time; yes, Halfords fitted an expensive head unit to my 10-year-old Subaru Forester, originally inspired by promotion of the growing popularity of retrofit DAB, CarPlay and other tech. As you're no doubt aware, Halfords makes noise about its ability to fit this kit to your car, as well as sell it to you. Only fair we offered them a proper challenge then. One in the shape of a freshly imported JDM Subaru with its head unit still lost in downtown Tokyo. What horrors lurked behind the dashboard? I wasn't man enough to explore myself. 

Sebastian gets to work
Sebastian gets to work
For the scrapheap
Whoever owned my Subaru in Japan clearly put a lot of money into the system installed in the car too. A flip front, double-DIN nav unit with touchscreen, MiniDisc changer and lots of other tech hidden behind the Japanese language controls, it must have cost a few yen. But, 10 years on and on the other side of the world, is now fit for little more than the bin.  

I'm not the world's biggest in-car tech fiend but there were certain basics I wanted, the best route to the docks in Tokyo not among them. A 6Music addict I needed DAB but I'm a bit old-school too and like physical music on these antiquated things known as 'compact discs'. The household uses Apple phones so CarPlay would offer direct connection to Google Maps and other apps, a fall-back of built-in nav also appealing.  

A couple of Pioneer options on Halfords' website seemed to tick the boxes but some quirks of the aftermarket quickly became apparent. For £329 you can have double DIN, CarPlay compatibility and a slick looking touchscreen. But no CD slot. Or, bizarrely, DAB. Spend£499 and you get the former but still no DAB, this only available on an older unit. Which didn't have CarPlay. Seems utterly bizarre you can buy a new head unit that doesn't feature DAB these days but there you go.

And this is a five out of 10 for difficulty!
And this is a five out of 10 for difficulty!
Taken to the logical conclusion the only one with all the features I wanted cost £799, this basically the updated version of the £1,012 Pioneer unit Subaru installs as the dealer fit nav option to the WRX STI l ran as a long-termer. That's a lot of money to throw at the dashboard of a 10-year-old car - easily a tenth of the value of the whole car in many cases. 

But it can be even more expensive on a new car. By way of example VW charges £750 for Discover Navigation on a Golf R or £1,765 for the all-singing, all dancing Discover Navigation Pro. The attraction of OE is, of course, integration with the car's interior and systems. In the case of an older car there's also the fear a jazzy new head unit can somewhat jar with an older interior and look unpleasantly incongruous.

Culture clash
So as Halfords man Sebastian set about the Forester's interior I was a little concerned about how it would all match up. The aftermarket install by the Japanese owner was a neat job but prompted some teeth sucking and "never seen anything like this before!" from him. But the adaptor cable plugged straight in, a couple of USB inputs and an aux cable were neatly plumbed into the storage binnacle and within a couple of hours it was job done. From my perspective it looked like a pretty involved job but Sebastian didn't seem overly concerned. "Five out of 10," he reckoned when asked where it sat on a scale of complexity. "Maybe six out of 10," he decided, after battling the A-pillar trim to install the DAB aerial.  

All fitted, now time to test it!
All fitted, now time to test it!
All back together I have to say the Pioneer looks better integrated into the Forester's interior than I'd expected. And though only a generation on from the clunky one in the WRX STI is the equal of any current OE system I've used, with slick graphics and a snappy interface. Early days yet but I'm looking forward to exploring its features in greater depth. 

Halfords is a dominant player in the market too; clearly for a more involved or tailored installation skilled independent specialists may offer more options. And I brace myself for the scorn of the many keen DIYers among the PH community. But for a mainstream, quick-fix operation the fitting was efficient, tidy and thorough and I'll admit to expectations being exceeded. 

A better way of enjoying the latest tech than hitting the options list on a new car? I'll report back... 







[Sources: M3Cutters]

 

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PHMatt

Original Poster:

608 posts

148 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I've had an E46 for 5 1/2 years with the Mk4 Satnav, and, as long as it's up to date (new disc in the boot for maps) it's perfect and much more convenient that having a smaller one stuck on the windscreen competing with the HK sound system (all OEM)

I think aftermarket stuff has so many problems. In my younger days I had about 2k of stuff wedged in a Clio. The speakers all used to pop regularly requiring replacement. You could never get it sounding how you wanted it, people used to want your stuff more than you did and and, worse of all, aftermarket stuff looks so chavvy!

This
http://thumbsnap.com/sc/rJcw8dy3.jpg

Still looks miles better than this

http://simplicity.elitecaraudio.org/abe1.JPG

With a tom tom stuck in the window.



corcoran

536 posts

274 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Great read and you're spot on. As far as I'm concerned, though, the screen in the car should really just mirror (or carplay or android carwhatever) what's on your smartphone, and be able to keep it up to date. I don't want Nissan sat-nav software, or Toyota iTunez -- that's all over, guys!

Just bought an old e46 with said maligned sat-nav on the logic that I don't have to fanny around moving heating controls or buying a new cage to put in a double-din something, so once I've put proper rubber on the corners, getting an after-market unit will be in swift order. Most likely a car-play unit.

Had joy a couple years ago putting a DD Pioneer into my Ford Focus as it's "not quite" DD sized (you need an aftermarket fascia) and it took the boys from Halfords six hours to get it in place, god bless them -- lots of sawing at plastic behind dash! .. it was January and I had a 4 week old puppy with me.. was quite the test of audiophile commitment!


corcoran

536 posts

274 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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PHMatt said:
second photo made me laugh a lot!

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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As much of an Apple fan as I am, I just cannot get away with the Car Play iicons. The blown-up-ios-tile just looks cheap and dated at best. I think they could have re-invented the interface for Car Play....you know...put some effort in.

Not much I can do when the stereo IS the dash in my car. NO aftermarket optins available.

ash reynolds

469 posts

191 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I have a MY09 Golf which had an RNS510 NAV system. Terrible thing...slow, basic and very expensive to update. Audio quality was dire, especially playing MP3's from the SD card slot. Extremely expensive to upgrade with VW OE parts to get Bluetooth connectivity and maps were expensive to update.

I bought a Kenwood unit to replace it with and it's far superior in every regard.

sealtt

3,091 posts

158 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Did you pay full list price for the work done at Halfords or was there any discount / incentive given? Thanks.

markoc

1,084 posts

196 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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So, aside for writing a fantastic advert for Halfords - I'm anticipating that you've sat in the carpark for at least an hour mucking around with it - so appreciating you've only had it a short period would be nice to get some first impressions of how easy it is to use/connectivity etc.

In all seriousness, are these as good as they make out - or are these first(ish) to market versions going to be outshone in a year or so?

sideways sid

1,371 posts

215 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Could have been an informative article, but wasn't!

In summary, tech in new cars costs lots. Tech in old cars is obsolete.

You can buy a new head unit for an old car. Or you can get it for free if you offer to advertise the seller's business on a website that you work for.

You completely ignored the fact that virtually every car sold since 1995 has a ‘unique’ shaped facia to reduce the chance of theft when it was popular, and so cannot be easily upgraded.


Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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sealtt said:
Did you pay full list price for the work done at Halfords or was there any discount / incentive given? Thanks.
As per the article Halfords approached us wanting to demonstrate the services and products they offer and fitted the equipment so we could review both. No money changed hands in any respect, the equipment is on review and we'll be reporting back on how it performs compared with the OE stuff we're familiar with from test cars, as per the premise of the article. Obviously the intention is to look at the wider context too, with regard to the options available to both buyers of new cars and owners of older ones.

For what it's worth we chose the store for the fitting and as far as I can tell we got an accurate impression of the typical customer experience. And the praise for that was sincere - credit where due, they did a great job.

Already sounds like PHers have some interesting and valuable experience to share on this subject so we'll look forward to hearing your stories!

Cheers,

Dan


Edited by Dan Trent on Wednesday 13th January 14:38

Reavenger

129 posts

133 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I have a Lotus. What are these 'Sat Nav' and 'Car play' things you speak of? wink

Looks like a good installation but agree with poster above, the Apple style interface with overly large icons is a put off.

Thank goodness for Mercedes getting rid of the iPad 'stick on style aftermarket' tablet though. I wouldn't consider a Mercedes because of it.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I love the factory fitted option (£700 if I remember correctly) Sat Nav in my Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo - easy to use, includes DAB, bluetooth, media port, second screen with the next direction between the dials (possibly the best reason to have it). It seemed daft to me to buy a brand new car in 2013 without DAB radio (the Sat Nav was the only factory way to get it at the time), when alledgedly in 2015 analog radio would be no more and I'd have to trot down to Halfords to sort the lack on radio out & it not look OE.

What I can't believe is that Porsche on a number of models DAB isn't standard (on a minimum £40K car!) and that DAB & Sat Nav are charged for seperately.

I've always had OE audio equipment - I've always felt that non standard is a bit Max Power.

The Ferrari headunit looks like a VW group one.

sealtt

3,091 posts

158 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Dan Trent said:
As per the article Halfords approached us wanting to demonstrate the services and products they offer and fitted the equipment so we could review both. No money changed hands in any respect, the equipment is on review and we'll be reporting back on how it performs compared with the OE stuff we're familiar with from test cars, as per the premise of the article. Obviously the intention is to look at the wider context too, with regard to the options available to both buyers of new cars and owners of older ones.

For what it's worth we chose the store for the fitting and as far as I can tell we got an accurate impression of the typical customer experience. And the praise for that was sincere - credit where due, they did a great job.

Already sounds like PHers have some interesting and valuable experience to share on this subject so we'll look forward to hearing your stories!

Cheers,

Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Wednesday 13th January 14:38
Thanks for explaining.

Digitalize

2,850 posts

135 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Just as a heads up, it won't be Google Maps, it's Apple Maps. Apple doesn't allow you to use any sort of map/navigation app with CarPlay other than their own Apple Maps. It's the one big thing stopping me going for one, as I would not be able to use Navigon with it.

But then maybe the built in Nav is better, and just use CarPlay for all the phone/music stuff, if it's even possible, not sure if when in CarPlay mode everything else is turned off within the headunit.

Realistically there needs to be a super cheap just CarPlay headunit as all it really is is a screen/input for the iOS device to output to. Offer one for £200 with a half decent amplifier, 7" multitouch screen and maybe USB storage/SD card for when the phone isn't connected, and I'd be set.

But then, it is hard to ignore the possibility of installing an iPad Mini in the dash, and tethering it to your iPhone, giving you all the handsfree features of CarPlay (calls/texts will be routed through the iPad as they're on the same network) as well as full apps etc. And the ability if you so wish to make it removable, and gaining an iPad Mini.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Agree with the first post about the e39/46 16:9 sat nav, there's really nothing wrong with it at all and it looks pretty good. Amazing given it's age. The business nav mentioned in the article does look dreadful though, I didn't know it existed.

Dale487 said:
What I can't believe is that Porsche on a number of models DAB isn't standard (on a minimum £40K car!) and that DAB & Sat Nav are charged for seperately.
DAB is stillborn useless tech. Doesn't sound as good as FM, worse coverage, and will be eclipsed by internet radio.

Dale487 said:
The Ferrari headunit looks like a VW group one.
That's what I thought too.

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

220 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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How does the phone connect to the head unit if you want to run a playlist through it? Cable or Bluetooth? Any annoying quirks you're aware of so far?

The £329 option looks spot on for me!

ash reynolds said:
I have a MY09 Golf which had an RNS510 NAV system. Terrible thing...slow, basic and very expensive to update. Audio quality was dire, especially playing MP3's from the SD card slot. Extremely expensive to upgrade with VW OE parts to get Bluetooth connectivity and maps were expensive to update.
Yeah I'm on my 2nd RNS510 now. An early A revision, which just died completely and a later Q revision, which has decided to randomly mute the audio for a phone call, despite not having a phone kit connected to it. As for connecting iPhones to it, forget it! VAG fans love this unit for some bizarre reason, so I'll ebay it.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Dale487 said:
What I can't believe is that Porsche on a number of models DAB isn't standard (on a minimum £40K car!) and that DAB & Sat Nav are charged for seperately.
What's worse is that nav still costs £1.5k in most cars...seriously? When the technology is the same (or worse) than a £60 Tom Tom, how on earth can they justify that cost? Wait - I know how....because they can. And since Nav seems to have become an essential fitment for resale of any mid-price and upwards car, people will pay anything.

I could spout comedic commentary on how on earth we managed before sat nav since it seems to me that people can't even walk to the end of their street without nav on their phone, but I will save my fingers this time. smile

sealtt

3,091 posts

158 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Dale487 said:
The Ferrari headunit looks like a VW group one.
As an ex-owner of an F430 (and as such, one of the worst in-car entertainment systems I have ever had to use), that is a pretty fantastic compliment to be able to pay to a Ferrari stereo!

Now lets see if they can't get the speakers to sound as good as a VWs too wink

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Esseesse said:
DAB is stillborn useless tech. Doesn't sound as good as FM, worse coverage, and will be eclipsed by internet radio.
Forgive an old backwards long-wave Luddite, but wot's the difference?

philkermeen

28 posts

147 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I like that you've used the top storage cubby for the nav screen (did you buy a new hood for that?) - a more modern look, what's going in to the 'traditional' Double size entertainment area below the vents? The prev owner of my Forester put a Kenwood Nav / DAB unit in there so it's a bit old skool but works well! Nice work!

Edited by philkermeen on Wednesday 13th January 16:00

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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I chose the CarPlay option for my new Golf R and it has been fantastic. In my experience Apple Maps is far better than the OEM VW navigation and the interface allows me to use my Deezer subscription, and easily respond to text messages without taking my eyes off the road. Only downside is that it doesn't work over Bluetooth, but I believe that is a VW restriction at present. Cost difference was £750 for optional navigation vs £100 for CarPlay.