RE: Toyota GT86: PH Carpool

RE: Toyota GT86: PH Carpool

Monday 18th January 2016

Toyota GT86: PH Carpool

This PHer has been excited about the GT86 since the FT86 concept; fortunately the reality has matched it



Name: Jeff Heath
Car: Toyota GT86
Owned since: New! Collected in April 2013
Previously owned: VW Scirocco (before that - Suzuki Swift Sport, Toyota MR2, Daihatsu Copen, 3 x Honda Civics, Mini, Renault Clio and 2 x Austin Metros)

Why I bought it:
"I've always been a big Japanese car fan and I've visited Japan six times. The Scirocco was just over four years old and I was beginning to fancy a change but wanted something noticeably different. I had followed the FT86 development and so decided to give a GT86 a try. I loved the first test drive I had, then arranged an extended test drive which I hated. However, the GT86 itch was still there and so I arranged another test drive. I loved that one too so decided two out of three wasn't bad and ordered one!"

What I wish I'd known:

Jeff gets the '86 on track regularly - good man!
Jeff gets the '86 on track regularly - good man!
"I don't find the car the most liveable with on a daily basis (lots of owners do but I don't) and had I known that it may have swung me away from the purchase. I'm glad it didn't though because I'd have missed out on a whole lot of fun which has come from owning the car. To me it's as close to an 'old' car as you can get in a modern car (that's good) - the level of involvement is better than anything else I've sampled and I get a real buzz from feeling what happens in the car is a result of my inputs!"

Things I love:
"It really is a fun car to drive and tuning a GT86 brings it alive. Since buying the car I've taken part in a local sprint series and on track is where the car really shines. They are very tuneable - I have about six telephone directory (for those old enough to remember such things!) sized Japanese part catalogues at home - you can change and modify pretty much every part of the car. There is also an excellent social scene - the GT86 and BRZ Drivers' Club is an amazing resource and has regular social and track events."

Things I hate:

Services at just £150 or £250 help costs
Services at just £150 or £250 help costs
"The GT86 is not the most comfortable or refined car and, usually when trudging to and from work, I do find myself longing to have the Scirocco back. The rear lights can get a lot of condensation and most manual cars suffer an oil weep from the block which collects on a triangular plate at the back of the engine and then drips giving a lovely burnt oil smell! Earlier cars can get rust on the quarter-light pillar, some cars seem to have somewhat reluctant second gears and batteries can go flat fairly quickly. All of these things are simple enough dealer fixes though with upgraded parts like a larger capacity battery. Due to how low the engine sits, even when the car was standard, I found that it would catch on speed bumps - this has made a number of roads virtual no-go zones especially now it's lowered."

Costs:
"Insurance is quite reasonable - I pay about £500 a year including all the modifications. Fuel is also not too bad - I'm averaging around 33mpg. Service costs are pretty reasonable too at around £150 for a minor service and £250 for a larger service. The six-year service is fairly expensive though at £600 as it requires the spark plugs to be changed, which means moving the engine to access them. Tuning parts are easily available and not too costly for most things."

Where I've been:

Ducktail one of many mods!
Ducktail one of many mods!
"I've been up and down the country for various events with the Drivers' Club and take part in as many sprint events as I can. Other than that it's mostly back and forth to work, the shops and other everyday stuff."

What's next?
"In the future I'll probably swap to an ND MX-5 as I really enjoyed the drive I had at one of the Mazda pre-launch events. However, there is still more I want to do in the GT86 yet. I've just made it to joint top of my class in the sprint events I take part in with a 1:30.1 lap time - I'd like to see that in the 1:29s! There is also a little more tuning I'd like to do - a new manifold to remove the torque dip is the next plan. Oh, and some new tyres."

Sprint video here.

and another here.

 


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LankyLegoHead

Original Poster:

749 posts

132 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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So thats where my smell of oil is coming from! Have mine booked in at the dealer to sort the rear lights out and a random starting fault...

Your's is sitting quite low, I'm not surprised you have hump issues!

corcoran

535 posts

274 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Ducktail is wonderful on these. Massive Win!

Bencolem

1,016 posts

239 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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So I re-read the article as I must have missed the section giving details on all the upgrades, but, nope, they just weren't there?

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Upgrades fitted or to be fitted are:-

17x7.5" Fox Fx005's with 215/45/17 Nokian WRA3 winter tyres
17x7" Konig Daylite's with 215/45/17 Federal 595 RSR tyres (track)
17x9" Rota Titan's with 235/45/17 Continental 5P tyres (summer / wet track)
RAYS locking wheel nuts or
Cobra cat-back exhaust
Cosworth Panel filter
Toyota badges removed and front and rear Toyota badge replaced with a custom Batman logo
Red alcantara binnacle cover
Whiteline positive shift bush
Ecutek Remap
HKS oil filler cap
TRD Door stabiliser kit
Japseed front carbon strutbrace
Beatrush master cylinder brace
Anarchy motive gearknob
Premiuim mats red carpet mats
Mtec shift springs
Tein Flex A coilovers
Whiteline front adjustable anti-roll bar
Whiteline rear adjustable anti-roll bar
Whiteline front adjustable drop links
Whiteline rear adjustable drop links
Whiteline rear anti-roll bar mount braces
Whiteline rear upper camber bushes
Legsport carbon duckbill spoiler
Bonnet gas dampers
TRD wing aero fins
TRD front canards (to be fitted)
Headlight adjuster for lowered cars
Cusco rear carbon strutbrace
HKS oil filter
Cusco radiator cap (to be fitted)
Porsche 911 GT3 front arm break ducts (to be fitted)
Super-pro diff insert bushes (to be fitted)

DeanHelix

135 posts

155 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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"The rear lights can get a lot of condensation and most manual cars suffer an oil weep from the block which collects on a triangular plate at the back of the engine and then drips giving a lovely burnt oil smell! Earlier cars can get rust on the quarter-light pillar, some cars seem to have somewhat reluctant second gears and batteries can go flat fairly quickly"

That's a lot of quibbles for a 3yr old car. Rust...on a 13 plate?

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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More than there should be I'll agree but all pretty minor and rectified under warrenty. The rust is only on the quarterlught pillars and is a design flaw with the original window rubber which rubs through the paint and then leads to rust. Rectified with the warrenty part and presumably on later production cars.

Track Rod

247 posts

147 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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How does a radiator cap improve performance? Or is it a cosmetic mod?

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Cusco claim it raises the boiling point of the coolant and so improves the cooling systems efficiency. I'm somewhat (very) sceptical but I picked it up very cheaply so went with the every little helps theory.

X5TUU

11,937 posts

187 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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DeanHelix said:
"The rear lights can get a lot of condensation and most manual cars suffer an oil weep from the block which collects on a triangular plate at the back of the engine and then drips giving a lovely burnt oil smell! Earlier cars can get rust on the quarter-light pillar, some cars seem to have somewhat reluctant second gears and batteries can go flat fairly quickly"

That's a lot of quibbles for a 3yr old car. Rust...on a 13 plate?
i was pretty shocked at this as well ... surely there is a decent anti-perforation warranty that runs for at least 3yrs on these from new?!

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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A lot of us experienced the reluctant 2nd gear issue.

Quite disappointing as most Japanese gearboxes are usually excellent.

Track Rod

247 posts

147 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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DeaconFrost said:
Cusco claim it raises the boiling point of the coolant and so improves the cooling systems efficiency. I'm somewhat (very) sceptical but I picked it up very cheaply so went with the every little helps theory.
Interesting, although that's one of those mod's where you can't help but think that if it works, why doesn't the manufacturer make it like that in the first place? Great car btw, one of the very few new cars that excites me, I will have one once depreciation brings one within my sweaty grasp!! Currently have a mk7 Celica and enjoying it very much, can't wait for my GT86!

EC123

173 posts

124 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Nice way to waste £15k or whatever, in my opnion.

dc2rr07

1,238 posts

231 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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That explains the badge I thought you had put a Subaru badge on just to confuse people, nice looking motor though.

LankyLegoHead

Original Poster:

749 posts

132 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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My car just went over 29k, and is a 63 plate. So far I've had the rear light issue, which is known by Toyota and they will fix it (but only if you actually ask, its not a recall).

The battery issue again is know by Toyota, they replaced mine before I bought it for one with more kick. Again, FOC thing they will do.

I'm not entirely shocked to hear about rust on a Japanese car... but its made me want to hurry up and touch up a few recent stone chips now you've said that! Can't see any signs of rust so far anyway...

2nd Gear issue is again a known issue, I'm pretty sure it was only with a certain batch of Boxes and most have had their gearbox replaced by Toyota under warranty IIRC.

As I said above, mines going in Monday to have a few niggles looked at. But overall (having compared mine back to back with a delivery mileage 15 plate) it feels just as tight as it does new and wants for nothing!

Also agree about the community, very helpful to me and from what I've seen online a great bunch of chaps!

DirtyIrish

51 posts

117 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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EC123 said:
Nice way to waste £15k or whatever, in my opnion.
lovely informative comment...care to elaborate on why its a waste of money?

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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EC123 said:
Nice way to waste £15k or whatever, in my opnion.
I'm not sure what you are referring to for the £15k. If it's the tuning parts they came in at a little under £5k. With the discount on the car it means I've spent about £2k over the list price of the car. So for me I don't feel it's particularly wasteful.

DeanHelix

135 posts

155 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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DeaconFrost said:
I'm not sure what you are referring to for the £15k. If it's the tuning parts they came in at a little under £5k. With the discount on the car it means I've spent about £2k over the list price of the car. So for me I don't feel it's particularly wasteful.
I think he was talking about buying a 2nd hand one, prices are gradually falling to something more attainable to the average fella, eg £15k.
I was personally planning on a 5yr old, 40k mile example (just as it falls out of warranty) as a track car.
But the replacement gearbox, oil leak, rust, leaky lights, etc do complicate that plan somewhat.

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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DeanHelix said:
I think he was talking about buying a 2nd hand one, prices are gradually falling to something more attainable to the average fella, eg £15k.
I was personally planning on a 5yr old, 40k mile example (just as it falls out of warranty) as a track car.
But the replacement gearbox, oil leak, rust, leaky lights, etc do complicate that plan somewhat.
All of those issues should be sorted under warrenty by that point though. None of the issues I've had (lights, oil weap and rust have re-occured)

DeaconFrost

431 posts

171 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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To qualify the rust as I feel people are picturing something far worse than is the case I've attached a picture below. On the right of the picture you can see a black bar with the window glass either side. At the bottom of that bar you can see a rubber seal. That seal rubs on the bar and produces a rust line. The bar is replaced under warrenty and over a year since replacement the rust has not re-occurred. I have not seen anyone reporting this issue for quite some time now so I presume the warrenty fix has been implemented at production on newer cars. Nothing else on the body is showing any signs of rust.


172

182 posts

138 months

Tuesday 19th January 2016
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So it rusts, it's uncomfortable, it's unreliable and has a "torque dip"