RE: Porsche 911 C4S (996): PH Carpool

RE: Porsche 911 C4S (996): PH Carpool

Monday 25th January 2016

Porsche 911 C4S (996): PH Carpool

This PHer changes his car every year but this one's staying - must be good then!



Name: Andrew Chapple
Car: 2004 Porsche 911 (996) C4S
Owned since: May 2015
Previously owned: 2001 Audi S3, 1999 Audi S4 Avant, 2000 Audi RS4 Avant, 2006 Audi RS4 Avant, Porsche 911 (996) C2 Cabriolet, Porsche 911 (996) C4S, Porsche 911 (997) C4S, VW Mk7 Golf R, Audi TT RS Roadster

Andrew's old and much missed C4S
Andrew's old and much missed C4S
Why I bought it:
"Back in 2003 I remember seeing a 996 C4S on the M40 and with that red reflector it looked like it had just landed from outer space. Fast forward eight years and they had depreciated by £50,000 so at £20,000 were great value. When a friend lost his licence and his came up for sale, my first 911 - a 996 C2 Cabriolet which I'd had for six months - was quickly discarded and I enjoyed a year and 10,000 miles with the C4S. I still sold it for a profit as well! I don't keep cars for over a year so swapped it for a 997 C4S which had a more modern interior but seemed to lose a bit of the 996's character; a year later I bought my second 996 C4S (currently hovering at just under 40,000 miles), this time in very rare Carmona Red (a colour only available for the 2004 model year) with a Savannah interior, a marmite 996 if ever there was one! I loved it the moment I saw the photos and still do seven months later. The 996 interior isn't the best quality in the world and in black can look a bit 'Mk3 Golf', but the light coloured interior looks more expensive and creates a very soothing environment in the cabin. The 996 navigation system hasn't aged well so I was glad to forgo it in favour or the heated seats, park assist and cruise control of this example. And in the absence of a cabriolet roof, which I still like but is anathema on a 911, the sunroof was a nice compromise."

Rare spec, but Andrew loves it
Rare spec, but Andrew loves it
What I wish I'd known:
"There is a wealth of information out there for Porsche owners, primarily from US internet forums. It's easy to get put off the 996 Carrera models due to the poor reputation of the M96 engine but look more deeply and you realise that you'd be unlucky to have an engine failure if you look after your car, attending to coolant leaks promptly and driving it with a degree of mechanical sympathy; sadly that's not often the case with Porsche drivers."

Things I love:
"The 911's unique characteristics are well documented: the constantly fidgeting steering wheel, the perfect control weights, the way it tightens its line with a smidgen more throttle; all these idiosyncrasies slowly but surely get under your skin, and create a sense of occasion no fast Audi short of an R8 has any chance of matching. I also love the wide body looks of the C4S; from every angle it just looks sensational, the red reflector which makes it look even wider, the 993 C4S aping side profile and the aggressive frontal aspect thanks to the 996 Turbo front bumper."

Things I hate:
"There's not a lot to hate apart from the fear of being struck by the engine fairy... But if that does happen I will calmly pick up the phone and speak to Hartech in Bolton who will rebuild it for a fraction of the cost of a new engine and take steps to prevent it failing again."

Wide body really appealed
Wide body really appealed
Costs:
"This is not an expensive car to own or run. The biggest cost of motoring is depreciation but the 996 C4S quashes that with a good few years of zero losses or more recently positive appreciation in value. It's a light car so fuel consumption is similar to that of a Mk5 Golf GTI with 30mpg+ possible and high speed cruising across Europe returning figures in the high 20s. Road tax is reasonable too at under £300, over £200 cheaper than for most 997s. I always expect to do some work on a 996, usually cooling system or air conditioning related but a previous owner spent a pretty penny at JZM so thus far mine has been fine. The low mileage of my car meant that the tyres, while still having plenty of tread, were quite old and a new set of N rated Michelins for just £600 transformed the way it drove. The only other cost was replacement of a brake caliper due to a sheared bleed nipple; each caliper has two nipples so I consider myself lucky to have got away with just one!"

Well what's a Euro road trip without a Reims stop?
Well what's a Euro road trip without a Reims stop?
Where I've been:
"After three months of ownership, I pointed the 996's nose south towards Italy for a week in the Italian Lakes and it was a great companion. It was rock steady during a torrential storm near Dijon and it zipped up the Simplon Pass with aplomb. We filled the front boot with soft bags and a used the seat belts to secure a medium size Samsonite in place once the rear seat backs were folded down. The rear seat bases are just held in place by Velcro so are easy to whip out for more room and to avoid any damage. This left us plenty of room to bring back a few bottles of Limoncello!"

What next?
"I have no intentions to sell this car, which is unusual for me but I let my first one go and missed it so don't want to repeat that mistake! Sometimes I think a Gen 2 997 would be a wise move but at £35,000 for what is basically the same car apart from a more reliable engine it's hard to justify. Short of a Sport Classic, there isn't a normally aspirated model that has a Turbo inspired attitude."

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Discussion

Smitters

Original Poster:

4,004 posts

158 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Great Carpool. I spent a long time thinking about a 996 C4S, but at the time it would have cleared me out financially, meaning any mechanical woes would have made my commute a walk. I'm still annoyed I didn't take the plunge. The amount of car for the £££ is off the charts and I too am a fan of the red reflector and widebody look, though on a considerably more mundane Seal Grey or black. Yellow also tempting, but a bit shouty...

Scottie - NW

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Lovely cars, what is the 4wd split, how much power can they send frontwards and does it make much difference?

Leins

9,472 posts

149 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Lovely car, and the prettiest water-cooled 911 IMO

IceBoy

2,443 posts

222 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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I believe only 5% goes to the front in normal conditions and then a maximum of 40% to the front, should the rears slip.

They really do just feel like a RWD car!

IceBoy

leon9191

752 posts

194 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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I don't think I will ever sell my 996, I had considered replacing my C2 with a 997 C2S but having driven a few I wasn't so blown away that I "needed" to change.

I think the the seating position in the 997 is better you can get steering wheel at chest level and the extra power in the S models is nice but all in I prefer the mix of retro styling and modern performance in the 996. I in fact much prefer the interior of my 996 over the 997s I've been in they tend to look worn out easier I think and wont age well at all where as the 996 is old fashioned and that's fine with me! I particularly like the font type on the speedo dials, odd thing to like but its pure retro cool.

Good Car pool story, but then I am quite biased.

Zammy

558 posts

164 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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That's a lovely colour, a family friend had the same car but in grey but this looks much better. Good read too!

TREMAiNE

3,918 posts

150 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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A terrific car.

My dad owned one for four years and really pushed it to its limits.

Remarkably good on fuel too, given the performance on offer!


m444ttb

3,160 posts

230 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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IceBoy said:
They really do just feel like a RWD car!

IceBoy
I'd agree with this. Perhaps because I'm not familiar with the feel of a 911 that the 4wd-ness of it is lost by the rear engined eerrr 'ness'? However I'm sure I've read several journalists (Chris Harris perhaps being one of them) that claimed the 997 4wd cars felt like 4wd cars whereas the 996 did not.

I do love the 4S and it would have been my model of choice. 12 months earlier and it would have been within my price range. That said my narrow body C4 is still great, even with a spoiler. I'm another who has no intention to sell. Not least because it just had a £12k visit to Hartech!


Shaoxter

4,083 posts

125 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Leins said:
Lovely car, and the prettiest water-cooled 911 IMO
+1 thumbup

Neil-b3l6l

36 posts

100 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Lovely car...though I'm slightly biased!

dlockhart

434 posts

173 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Nice Colour scheme, the same as my MY2000 Boxster.
Porsche are not expensive to own, as I tell the wife. I was looking to upgrade (the car not the wife) a few years ago and was put off by the higher maintenance required by almost everything more interesting.

Scottie - NW

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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m444ttb said:
Not least because it just had a £12k visit to Hartech!
How on earth do you get a 12k bill?

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Scottie - NW said:
m444ttb said:
Not least because it just had a £12k visit to Hartech!
How on earth do you get a 12k bill?
I'm guessing IMS failure.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

247 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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m444ttb said:
...it just had a £12k visit to Hartech!
You gotta love these PH Carpool reviews,

Costs:
This is not an expensive car to own or run. smile

pork911

7,165 posts

184 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Leins said:
Lovely car, and the prettiest water-cooled 911 IMO
damning with faint praise


(/beard mode off)

J4CKO

41,628 posts

201 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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anonymous said:
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Really ? I though it was like 6/7 grand ?

shipoftheseus

57 posts

114 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Thoroughly agree with that. Driven a few of these, and would say it's the 996 of choice, on a 'budget'.Even though I'm more of a seal grey fan I have to say I quite like the odd colour combo. Particular like the aesthetics; aggressive Turbo stance, but without the nasty intakes in the rear quarters, or the half arsed tail spoiler.

J4CKO

41,628 posts

201 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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anonymous said:
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Is that what engine rebuilds cost, nearly a grand a piece for a barrel and piston ?


JMF894

5,510 posts

156 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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I'm off to the classifieds........... smokin

Rearwheel

40 posts

147 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Great carpool, i find myself looking at 911's more and more and feel I need to scratch the itch!!

I know it's a different class of car but early DB9 at £40k seems a steal! But a similar age 997 Carerra S seems like a more financially sound purchase! decisions decisions