RE: Tesla Model S P90D: Review

RE: Tesla Model S P90D: Review

Monday 25th January 2016

Tesla Model S P90D: Review

Snow versus 762hp Tesla works far better than it should



I've always fancied forming a cult. But, much as I'd surely enjoy being worshipped by loyal disciples who pander to all my messianic tendencies, the inevitable conviction for tax evasion, followed shortly after by a Waco-style siege, would probably take the edge off the experience.

The next best thing, of course, would be to live a life like Elon Musk - the brilliant billionaire visionary who not only has access to his very own spaceships, but owns the world's most subversive car company. And boy, does that man wield his power.

The next Tesla adventure!
The next Tesla adventure!
"Whatever Elon wants, Elon gets" is the popular impression of Tesla's corporate culture and, since we last drove one of the brand's vehicles, it's been busy expanding the range to include the Model X and all-wheel drive versions of the Model S, including the 70D and this 90D.

That's right; not satisfied with the P85D version, Musk asked engineers to crank up the 85kWh lithium ion cells to a cool 90kWh. This sees power rise from an already absurd 691hp to a barely believable, have-a-lie-down, 762hp. Torque too swells to a round 1000Nm, or 737lb ft. For the official line on how Tesla comes up with those figures see here.

Now it gets ludicrous
Forget Insane Mode, now (for a price) you get Ludicrous Mode - the ability to launch your 2.2-tonne Tesla to 60mph in 2.8 seconds and 100mph in less than 7.0 seconds. This means nothing short of a 918 Spyder or McLaren P1 now has a chance of beating the five-seat family car away from the lights.

Ludicrous Mode, by the way, isn't a mere throttle map but a cunning way of convincing the lithium ion cells to boost their flow rate from 1300amps to 1500amps for maximum thrust - there's also a bigger fuse to prevent meltdown after repeated full bore starts.

Pirelli winter tyres give incredible traction
Pirelli winter tyres give incredible traction
Sadly, there will be none of that today in Austria. Instead we're at BMW's proving ground, a snowball's throw away from the Pitztal Glacier ski resort, to prove how well (or not) the P90D's all-wheel drive works in extremes. No heater testing or range experiments here!

Apparently, us Europeans asked for all-wheel drive and Musk, obsessed by customer feedback, gave the green light to an all-wheel drive Model S.

Early on a mechanical version was suggested before the added weight and complexity ruled that out. The simpler solution eventually was adding a small motor on the front axle, bizarrely boosting efficiency (and range) over the two-wheel version.

More, more, more
That's because the front motor allows the rear one to be shrunken - not that you can tell the lighter rear motor is smaller, as it produces a mighty 503hp. The big efficiency gain is that the rear motor can 'torque sleep' and allow, at motorway speeds, for the 229hp front motor to drive the Tesla.

Forget active yaw control; calibration of the electronic stability control, plus a front and rear mechanical differential, as well as torque vectoring across the axles, compensates for the lack of mechanical connection between the front and rear diff.

Torque vectoring does the job of centre diff
Torque vectoring does the job of centre diff
Select 'Drive' and the Model S experience is even weirder today because instead of silence there's the sound of soft virginal snow crunching loudly beneath its tyres. Pessimistic Tesla has set out a coned course to judge the mixture of driving ability of the elite band of hacks assembled from all over Europe. Killjoys, I think, until the car in front nails three of them at walking pace.

Cheekily, while others dutifully learn the course as they're barked instructions in German, I floor the throttle and look for somewhere soft to crash into if all goes wrong. Nothing. The Model S merely ups the pace and the familiar orange glow of the ESP scowls at me.

I spend the rest of the lap trying to a) switch the huge infotainment system to English and b) fully deactivate the life-saving stability system. Why? Because it's time to oversteer! I fail at both and visit the pits for help...

What Elon wants...
"Elon wanted to build the world's safest car, and that's what he created", says the German Tesla engineer. Fine, but I'm on ice - there's nothing to hit, I'm not some diet-pill-junkie-soccer-mom headed for a tree - I try to tell him.

It obviously loses a lot in translation, he replies: "But this is a car to carry your wife and kids in. It has over 700 horsepower, it would be insane to let that loose, without restraint, on the road with people who weren't trained".

John gives up on mischief and decides to drive
John gives up on mischief and decides to drive
It's hard to argue with Elon (it's creepy how Tesla employees refer to their CEO by his first name only) on that point. Although surely if you're a real enthusiast, who's paid good money for your P90D, you should be allowed to explore the true limits of your car without a safety net.

Just as I give up, one of the snow driving instructors, who earlier was drifting a Land Rover 130 with 'Land Rover Experience' emblazoned down its side, shows me how to deactivate the first layer of traction control. I'm glad, because on the next lap the Model S comes alive. But with the ESP still in control, the way to get the best out of the P90D is to show some restraint.

Despite having 737lb ft from the moment you stab the throttle, it's unwise to wake the electronic gods. Instead you use precise steering inputs, lift, and wait for the nose to have gripped before you dare apply enough throttle for a baby drift. Get carried away and the tail arcs too wide, the ESP kicks in and power is completely cut to such an extent you sometimes find yourself at standstill. It's incredible through just how agile and nimble the heavy Tesla feels here, with great traction too.

It's at lunch I catch up with my German Tesla engineer friend and ask him, again, why the Model S isn't as playful as it should be. Or rather, we want it to be.

...Elon gets
"For sure, if Elon wanted it to be that way, it would be. When the Model S went on sale it didn't creep in traffic, so customers asked him for a creep function. Elon listened and, 24 hours later, the Model S was given a creep 'function via a software update."

So on that basis, if Model S customers started asking for a Ford Focus RS-style 'Drift Mode', would he listen?

One stage of ESP disabled makes it more fun!
One stage of ESP disabled makes it more fun!
"Absolutely, Elon would listen and, if he agrees, it will get it. Elon gets what he wants." So there we have it; all Model S owners out there, start the 'Tesla Campaign for Real Oversteer' right now.

After all the slip sliding it's time for a drive in the Model S P90D on the local mountain roads. If anything, it's on the frozen tarmac that the all-wheel drive traction benefits are even more obvious, especially since there's the full 762hp to play with.

You never, ever get used to the acceleration. Apparently, from standstill, the P90D has recorded 1.1g up to 14mph which is insane. Sorry, ludicrous...

Act your age
What's a shame is that nimbleness and playful size demonstrated earlier in the day is replaced by intimidation back in the real world. Drive a car fast that's heavier than a Range Rover and the laws of physics will kick in sooner or later. Luckily I only encounter understeer of the mild kind, those winter Pirellis dishing up astonishing grip even in conditions several degrees below freezing.

And it's just the badge that gives it away...
And it's just the badge that gives it away...
And now the billion dollar question: would you have one over an M5 or E63?

Something I never thought I'd say is the sheer acceleration and overtaking opportunities 762hp provides easily compensates for the lack of a thumping V8, but what's missing is that final layer of engagement and entertainment the German super saloons offer.

BMW M and Mercedes-AMG can sleep safe for now, but it's only a matter of time before Elon, a former McLaren F1 owner remember, gets bored with safety and creates a car as good to drive as it is fast. Hopefully with a drift mode too.

 


TESLA MODEL S P90D
Engine:
Dual electric three-phase AC motors, 90kWh lithium ion battery
Transmission: Single speed fixed with 9.73:1 reduction gear, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 762@0rpm
Torque (lb ft): 737@0rpm
0-60mph: 2.8sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Kerbweight: 2,200kg (EU, with driver)
Range: 305 miles (NEDC, +6 per cent claimed (untested) improvement with 90kWh battery)
CO2: 0g/km at car
Price: £84,500 before options (as tested £109,160 with options Ludicrous Performance upgrade £8,700, carbon fibre rear spoiler £850, Autopilot £2,200, Premium Interior and Lighting £2,600, Smart Air Suspension £2,200, Premium hifi £2,200, Subzero Weather Package (£850), 21-inch Winter Tyre and Wheel Set £5,060)

[Source: Tesla]

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Discussion

griffsomething

Original Poster:

236 posts

161 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Tested a lower power one last year and was still seriously impressed by it. Instant torque off the line (like that Rita Queen of Speed ride at Alton Towers) for when you want to go fast, and whisper quiet, comfy, autopilot mode, cabin when you don’t.

When they launch the Model 3 (3 series rival) for allegedly £25k, that will be an even more significant point for electric cars I suspect. With ever increasing advances in battery tech, 80-90% of the performance of a Model S for a third of the price? Yes!

sunsurfer

305 posts

181 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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"Elon" will make such a great Bond villain wink

What shall we have him do? Use the Space X to turn the moon into a Star Wars type Death Star?

Animal

5,249 posts

268 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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sunsurfer said:
"Elon" will make such a great Bond villain wink

What shall we have him do? Use the Space X to turn the moon into a Star Wars type Death Star?
He already has...

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

262 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Trying to think a reason why not, obviously discounting expense.

OK it's a cruiser, always will be with that weight, but as a "family" sized car wow!!

Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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If they do a well spec'd one for 30k it'll sell exceptionally well. At 80k it's a rich toy but I'm starting to warm up to the idea, although that screen in the middle looks utterly awful.

gangzoom

6,298 posts

215 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Last year in the US, the Model S has already managed to overtake sales of other $75,000+ machines. Audi, BMW, Merc better get a move on with their own Model S 'killer' to market, if this trend continues over the next few years there wouldn't be much of a luxury ICE car market left!!!


Mister Rigsby

2 posts

147 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Worth a test drive for all who love cars. Magic carpet ride. Real waftability. Immense power. Ipad-quality user interface. Free Fuel. Great Fun.

Be prepared for every other potential option to seem prehistoric by comparison.

Dempsey1971

383 posts

170 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Ved said:
If they do a well spec'd one for 30k it'll sell exceptionally well. At 80k it's a rich toy but I'm starting to warm up to the idea, although that screen in the middle looks utterly awful.
Thing is, this is the first attempt, and being taken up by early adopters. As economies of scale kick in, this will get cheaper and cheaper. Plus, when, really, do you use the last 10% of performance on something like an M5 or E63? Supposedly where the 'soul' of this car is lacking?
Nope, me neither in the real world.

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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gangzoom said:
Last year in the US, the Model S has already managed to overtake sales of other $75,000+ machines. Audi, BMW, Merc better get a move on with their own Model S 'killer' to market, if this trend continues over the next few years there wouldn't be much of a luxury ICE car market left!!!

Love those stats.

Fact is, as newer generations grow up and become drivers, the arguments regarding sound/passion, cars driving like a playstation etc become ever more distant; exactly like the arguments made regarding the sound quality of analogue vinyl vs digital streaming - yeah, there will always be a small hardcore subset of people who will want ICE cars but the arguments for electric cars are simply too compelling to ignore and humans will ALWAYS follow the most convenient path to get things done. ICE car lovers can say electric cars are boring but evidently people want 'appliances' (not that I think Tesla's are appliances - they're too much of a wonderland for a geek like me!).

What amazes me is the amount of uptake in a country like the USA as I'd have thought people would not want to switch so quickly; obviously when a product like the Tesla gets it so right, there little need to argue the case... a model that's been out 4 years(!) versus models that have been around anything between 6 and 50 years, outselling them all!? Crazy!

0000

13,812 posts

191 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Ved said:
If they do a well spec'd one for 30k it'll sell exceptionally well. At 80k it's a rich toy but I'm starting to warm up to the idea, although that screen in the middle looks utterly awful.
Should get to see it this year, available next year.

mattcov

721 posts

226 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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"BMW M and Mercedes-AMG can sleep safe for now"

Not sure they can, and neither should any other manufacturers that aren't anywhere near the development levels of EV like Tesla. My money would be on the Tesla.

Mafffew

2,149 posts

111 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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It has to be the perfect commuter car bar none I think, unless of course you're driven in a Rolls everyday.

However, I'm not sure I could live with just owning that, I would need a proper petrol car as a weekend fun toy.

Fortunately I don't have enough money for such a dilemma.


jamespink

1,218 posts

204 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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mattcov said:
"BMW M and Mercedes-AMG can sleep safe for now"

Not sure they can, and neither should any other manufacturers that aren't anywhere near the development levels of EV like Tesla. My money would be on the Tesla.
I entirely agree, the reason Mercedes, Porsche et al are going electric is clearly shown in the US sales figures, a 43% Tesla increase against an industry backdrop of serious sales decline. Worried? They should be!

Fuldhat

15 posts

99 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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A couple of things are not correct here.

1. The car do not in any way have 762 HP. The real number is in the 550 hp range, and that is why the number has been removed from Tesla sites in Europe as the number is american gimmick. Also the car only produces the 550hp and 700+ torgue the first 1-2-3 revolutions of the electic motor, after that the torgue rating drops fast.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5CGSSs9EQ / P85D maximum rating is 393 HP, and it drops fairly quickly.

2. No mention of the build quality`Anyone who has driven one, can see that it is 50% good 50% bad build quality and panels round the car will not always match.

3. The only reason for the huge sales in the US, are all the hipsters that used to buy Prius, now buy Tesla, it is a fasion item more than a car.

Edited by Fuldhat on Monday 25th January 14:10

FurtiveFreddy

8,577 posts

237 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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gangzoom said:
Last year in the US, the Model S has already managed to overtake sales of other $75,000+ machines. Audi, BMW, Merc better get a move on with their own Model S 'killer' to market, if this trend continues over the next few years there wouldn't be much of a luxury ICE car market left!!!
That is very interesting. Quite surprisingly low sales if that's the whole of N. America.

I never thought I'd say this, but if a 3-series sized Tesla is available in 2017 and the specs are good, I'm going to seriously consider it when I replace my old 330.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Another waste of a blog post... about a product that hails from an island of ill-conceived motoring that really has little influence on our magnificent and planet-sized automotive utopia. /sarcasm

menguin

3,764 posts

221 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Fuldhat said:
A couple of things are not correct here.

1. The car do not in any way have 762 HP. The real number is in the 550 hp range, and that is why the number has been removed from Tesla sites in Europe as the number is american gimmick. Also the car only produces the 550hp and 700+ torgue the first 1-2-3 revolutions of the electic motor, after that the torgue rating drops fast.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5CGSSs9EQ / P85D maximum rating is 393 HP, and it drops fairly quickly.

2. No mention of the build quality`Anyone who has driven one, can see that it is 50% good 50% bad build quality and panels round the car will not always match.

3. The only reason for the huge sales in the US, are all the hipsters that used to buy Prius, now buy Tesla, it is a fasion item more than a car.

Edited by Fuldhat on Monday 25th January 14:10
If the P85D has 393HP it's doing extremely well to get to 60mph in 3 seconds! I'd suggest that regardless of HP figures and torque figures the car does the speeds that it claims and reports from US owners suggest the range is accurate. With free Tesla charging stations already all across America and popping up over Europe quickly, when the 3 series equivalent comes in the traditional manufacturers will be so far behind they won't know what hit them.

gangzoom

6,298 posts

215 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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FurtiveFreddy said:
That is very interesting. Quite surprisingly low sales if that's the whole of N. America.

I never thought I'd say this, but if a 3-series sized Tesla is available in 2017 and the specs are good, I'm going to seriously consider it when I replace my old 330.
These numbers are for the 'premium' market cars, so not cheap. I think the average sale price of the Model S is something stupid like $100,000, as a lot of the owners are going for the crazy 'P' models and not many for the cheaper cars, though that may be changing.

Still they sold 50,000 cars world wide last year and aiming for 80,000 this year. 50 X $100K is ALOT of $E9 revenue!!!

I cannot wait to order mine, I would happly consider an EV from BMW/Merc etc, but apart from pipe dream concept cars its amazing none of the established brands still haven't got a real product that can compete with Tesla. It reminds of Nokia when Apple first started selling the iPhone, and Kodak when digital cameras first appeared. Tesla has been born in a environment where if you don't adapt/deliver you die, the old guard in the auto industry really better start waking up to the rate of change, or they are going to end up like Nokia and Kodak.

gangzoom

6,298 posts

215 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Fuldhat said:
A couple of things are not correct here.

1. The car do not in any way have 762 HP. The real number is in the 550 hp range, and that is why the number has been removed from Tesla sites in Europe as the number is american gimmick. Also the car only produces the 550hp and 700+ torgue the first 1-2-3 revolutions of the electic motor, after that the torgue rating drops fast.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ5CGSSs9EQ / P85D maximum rating is 393 HP, and it drops fairly quickly.

2. No mention of the build quality`Anyone who has driven one, can see that it is 50% good 50% bad build quality and panels round the car will not always match.

3. The only reason for the huge sales in the US, are all the hipsters that used to buy Prius, now buy Tesla, it is a fasion item more than a car.

Edited by Fuldhat on Monday 25th January 14:10
My wife's car is a top spec Lexus IS300H, when we test drove a P85D I honestly couldn't fault the interior compared to our Lexus.

I'm currently on holiday in California, you should see the number of hipsters driving around in a Priuis, it's just about every other third/fourth car. If all of them swapped their cars for a Tesla, that would be a sight!!

Blackpuddin

16,517 posts

205 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Is it correct that the batteries have to be at an optimum temperature for the full performance to be accessed?