RE: Porsche 944 Turbo: PH Heroes

RE: Porsche 944 Turbo: PH Heroes

Tuesday 29th March 2016

Porsche 944 Turbo | PH Heroes

40 years of transaxle Porsches - a landmark worth celebrating? Time to drive one of the best and find out!


Bad ideas deserve to die, but good ones aren't immune from failure either. The first thing that strikes you about a well-preserved Porsche 944 is how modern it looks and feels despite being 30 years old. The second is how much fresher and better designed it was than the 911s that Porsche was knocking out at the time.

Yet while the company's arse-engined, air-cooled dinosaur has long since had its classic status confirmed by the sort of prices that make London property look undervalued, the 944 remains one of those 'other' Porsches. Like its close relatives the 924 and 968 it's widely regarded as an also-ran. It failed in its mission to replace the 911 for the simple fact that buyers never formed the same emotional connection with it, yet maybe it's time for a reassessment.

This 944 Turbo might well be one of very best. There's just enough patina to confirm the odometer's admission to 21,000 miles, but in every other regard its near immaculate and in what seems to be completely original nick. It's even wearing its original main dealer sales sticker on the back window. It's being sold by respected Porsche fettlers Autofarm for a chunky price that we'll get to later, but one that a day in its company comes dangerously close to justifying.

Four-cylinder Porsches?
In 2016 the idea of a turbocharged four-cylinder Porsche is enough to get some people into a froth of righteous indignation, but in the 1980s the concept caused far less alarm. The 924 and its descendants were all four-cylinder and when Porsche decided to try and extract more power from the not especially muscular Audi-derived engine strapping a blower onto it was the obvious answer - this was the era that gave us 'Turbo' aftershave, after all.

The 924 Turbo had boasted 170hp, but in the 944 Porsche boosted that to 220hp; the later Turbo S managed 250hp. Serious stuff back then, and enough to make the 944 something of a performance bargain, especially given how easily it could be tuned to build substantially on those numbers.

It feels odd to see the familiar lower case 'turbo' script writ large on the back of something that so obviously isn't a 911; or these days a Cayenne or Macan. The 944's styling has aged well - it's hard not to like any car with pop-up headlamps - but it is pretty much a design synthesis of the 911 and the uber 928.

It's been so long since I sat in a 944 I had completely forgotten how nice the interior is; this was an era when most manufacturers less attention to ergonomics than they did to vinyl go-faster stripes, yet the cabin is a model of clarity and - by the standards of the age - loaded with kit. There's even a sort of proto climate control system. The instruments look gorgeous, red needles and crisp white fonts, and with a turbo boost gauge integrated into the rev counter. Because you needed to know your turbo was boosting, right?

Turbo, charge!
Heading onto some local roads and the first dynamic impression is of the 944's laid-back nature. The gearshift has a long action and notchy detents that don't like to be rushed, the clutch is heavy and bites high and even at manoeuvering velocities the steering feels low-geared. The engine is a bit grumbly low down, pulling cleanly but without much in the way of either torque or enthusiasm.

This isn't the sort of turbo lag that affected many of the 944's forced induction contemporaries, the sort that makes a binary transition between nothing and everything. The boost starts to build relatively low in the rev range, you can feel it by 3,000rpm, but it takes a long time for the turbine to spool up to full puff, and it's still pulling harder at 6,000rpm. The result is a car that's deceptively fast, with the way the power delivery sneaks up on you making it easy to find yourself cruising well beyond wrist-slapping territory.

For pictures we choose to use the B4011 between Bicester and Long Crendon, a favourite bit of Buckinghamshire, but cold and greasy when we visit. The sort of conditions that, in a 1986 911, would create either an urge to travel at the sort of cautious pace that would see you labelled as a wuss, or alternatively a brisker trot that would risk some fairly substantial gusset staining if the grip gave out.

Easy Company
The 944 Turbo couldn't be more different. The steering still feels leisurely at speed, the front end only starts to respond with a surprising amount of lock applied and feedback is muted at best. It doesn't take much to get the front edging wide on the slippery surface, but beyond that it's very secure; the back end refusing to be baited into slip even with big throttle applications despite the lack of any kind of stability control. It can carry serious speed - there's no way I'd travel this quickly in a contemporary 911 on a slippery road - but it's definitely a GT rather than an adrenaline-spiking sportscar.

Does the 944 Turbo deserve hero status? That's a finely balanced call, and one that you'll have your own instinctive take on. For me, not quite - I can think of several more exciting ways to spend a similar amount of money on a contemporary alternative. But this one is still a particularly nice way to travel.

Many people have grown poorer - in relative terms - by predicting that non-911 Porsches are overdue an increase in value. The 924, 944 and even 968 languished in the doldrums for years, with rougher examples dropping into outright bangerdom. Prices being asked for good ones have started to go up recently, but not to anything like the extent of even some of the least desirable 911s of the same era. It's not the sort of car you get into one expecting to fill your pockets with speculative gold.

This 944 Turbo is on sale with a "region of" £45,000 pricetag, supported by a recent mild restoration that's brought it back to pretty much as-new standard; that's a serious amount to pay for any 944, even one that can claim to be possibly the best surviving example. Compared to what you'd have to pay for a 911 Turbo of the same era and it's suddenly an outrageous bargain, of course...


SPECIFICATION | PORSCHE 944 TURBO

Engine: 2,479cc, Inline-4 Turbo
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 220@5,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 243@3,500rpm
0-60mph: 5.9sec
Top speed: 157mph
Weight: 1320kg
MPG: 15.2mpg
CO2: N/A
Price new: £34,168

   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

[Specs: Vintage and Sportscar]

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legalknievel

Original Poster:

352 posts

197 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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£45k for a 944 turbo.

Why not buy two!

J.P.W.

122 posts

217 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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I like 944s, enough to have parted with my own cash for a lesser version in the last year. And that is doubtless an exceptional example. But 45k???

I'd love to see a follow-up to this article with the actual sale price when someone does buy it.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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For 45k I'd want one of the later 250bhp cars - something like a G or H reg

They're great fun to drive

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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"This 944 Turbo is on sale with a "region of" £45,000 pricetag"

laugh

I'll call that pricing "ambitious", since I'm feeling kind.

Hugh Jarse

3,503 posts

205 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Remember being a young auto obsessed engineer late 80's and thinking this was the "optimum" sportscar and ticked all my "must have features".
Central weight, good aero, wide track, galvanised, proper luggage space, proper safety, big sunroof, low engine friction and weight for the power (multi cylinder wasteful gubbins) and had the word TURBO which was the eighties word that tickled automotive googlies in ways you cannot imagine now.
Felt annoyed when reading about Porsche enthusiasts demanding continuation of air cooled badly distributed weight nonsense 2+2s, WHY! Also about late eighties the 911 started to look seriously out of date compared to this (I'll add IMO).
As a wiser owl now appreciate that people enjoy the 911 foibles, imperfection is perfection and vice versa, takes all sorts etc. Still this is the pork for me if I was buying one.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Asking price makes it a slow old Porsche for the price of a quick new Porsche. Whatever floats your boat.

J4CKO

41,540 posts

200 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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45 grand is daft money but there won't be many as good, 20k buys most and for those on a budget there is still plenty of value, can still get a tidy 924 for two grand which is the real bargain, brilliant car, not super fast but what a package, two grand compared to 20 for a slower, worse handling Escort RS2000, plus the styling is purer than the 944 to my eyes.


sinbaddio

2,371 posts

176 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Such a fabulous car, but I think I'd be tempted to take the 914 they've got for £11.5k and buy a higher mileage 944 Turbo for less http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

Hugh Jarse

3,503 posts

205 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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That 15.2mpg is US so nearer 18 mpg for imperial gallons.

gforceg

3,524 posts

179 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Hugh Jarse said:
That 15.2mpg is US so nearer 18 mpg for imperial gallons.
In light of your other post about these ticking the boxes for you, was 18mpg considered ok for that performance back then? It seems pretty bad to me.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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gforceg said:
Hugh Jarse said:
That 15.2mpg is US so nearer 18 mpg for imperial gallons.
In light of your other post about these ticking the boxes for you, was 18mpg considered ok for that performance back then? It seems pretty bad to me.
Performance Car had a new 220bhp 944 Turbo on test. ( group test with Esprit and 308 ) back in the mid 80s

They averaged 14 mpg at the test track ( this would have included all the performance testing, top speed runs etc ) and 24 mpg in normal road usage running in convoy with the Lotus and Ferrari.

kellyt

158 posts

119 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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It's a lovely car, but sorry, how many just as interesting, or more interesting cars could you buy for a fraction of that? Even if I had that kind of cash I couldn't conceive of forking it over for a slightly anodyne 4 pot sports car that was good, but not exactly thrilling.

928? I get that, I think that is a properly special car myself, and deserves the classic status that it'll certainly have. But these? I'm not so sure at all. Get an old Saab turbo, pretty much as exciting and a fraction of the cost.

Just getting properly old, but that seems bonkers for the cash to cackles ratio.

Vitorio

4,296 posts

143 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Asking price makes it a slow old Porsche for the price of a quick new Porsche. Whatever floats your boat.
A cayman is only 40K... i'd have one of those over a 30 year old car right away

That said, i like the 924/944, wouldnt mind having a 924 at some point. I really dont get pork's obsession with putting the engine in the wrong place, at least their models with the engine in the right place are cheaper..

LarJammer

2,237 posts

210 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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I prefer my 944's S2 flavoured, much better driveability and substantially cheaper.

gforceg

3,524 posts

179 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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s m said:
Performance Car had a new 220bhp 944 Turbo on test. ( group test with Esprit and 308 ) back in the mid 80s

They averaged 14 mpg at the test track ( this would have included all the performance testing, top speed runs etc ) and 24 mpg in normal road usage running in convoy with the Lotus and Ferrari.
Thanks, that seems a little more like it! Presumably better still if grand touring with a middleweight right foot.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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gforceg said:
s m said:
Performance Car had a new 220bhp 944 Turbo on test. ( group test with Esprit and 308 ) back in the mid 80s

They averaged 14 mpg at the test track ( this would have included all the performance testing, top speed runs etc ) and 24 mpg in normal road usage running in convoy with the Lotus and Ferrari.
Thanks, that seems a little more like it! Presumably better still if grand touring with a middleweight right foot.
Autocar averaged 22.9 mpg on their 1986 Touring route for this model ( 24.7 mpg for the 163bhp 944 Lux in comparison on the same route. )

pengers

25 posts

134 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Key phrase here is, 'one of the best' so don't be fooled into thinking a cheap one will be similar. Most others (and possibly even this one also) will be needing all sorts of repairs/renewing mostly in the electrics, HT system, sensors, seals, interior fittings, dashboard lights, clock, locks, alarm, c/l, windows, heater mechanism, calipers and paint dept. as after 25yrs everything needs refreshing including suspension, turbo and gearbox linkages at least.
Fun to do but the costs to do all that are the same as a 911 and the values just aren't there to genuinely support it and probably won't be apart from for the 944 purist, it's lovely and all that but not as thrilling as a 911, oh and don't forget the custom exhaust to make it sound good too.
At 21k miles it doesn't have the as-new/delivery miles so now much would such an example be worth? 50 to 60k+? Is there really that much value in it..try driving it to a classic car meeting, will go largely un-noticed.
As everything else of a similar vintage with a similar badge is unattainable for modest money then high-ish price tag is inevitable but is the value really there, I think not.

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

168 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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No idea where that fuel consumption number came from. Looking at the link it appears to have been googled off some guy's random car advert with some decidedly non-official information in it.

Mine is a late 250hp car mildly tuned for about 300 hp / 320 lb ft with much reduced lag. It does anything between 28 and 30 mpg when used for high speed transport on late night long distance motorway /dual carriageway work, and never less than 24mpg on Sunday morning thrashes round the Peaks, Dales or North Yorkshire Moors.

The asking price of the Autofarm car is a step above anything I've seen for a Turbo before and I think is probably a deliberate attempt to re-set the trading range for the cars. Whether it will work I have no idea but having had my own car since 2010 and sunk a lot of money into restoration I think I probably do need to revisit the insurance valuation.


Edited by Lowtimer on Sunday 27th March 11:29

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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1300kg?

Presumably the car is weighed down by gold bars to get the c of g down hence the hugely inflated price.

Fools and their money are easily separated. This is not even a good Porsche.

It's like spending £4 per pint of Bavaria beer when you can spend £2.13 on something brewed by a small company where in the old days Spitfires wheeled and jinked over them.

It's gone too far with everything with a PORSCHE badge on it. It's all about the drive at the end of the day. This would let you down if you went for a Sunday morning blast after paying all that.





Edited by Gandahar on Sunday 27th March 11:36

MonkeyRacing

151 posts

207 months

Sunday 27th March 2016
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Lowtimer said:
No idea where that fuel consumption number came from. Looking at the link it appears to have been googled off some guy's random car advert with some decidedly non-official information in it.

Mine is a late 250hp car mildly tuned for about 300 hp / 320 lb ft with much reduced lag. It does anything between 28 and 30 mpg when used for high speed transport on late night long distance motorway /dual carriageway work, and never less than 24mpg on Sunday morning thrashes round the Peaks, Dales or North Yorkshire Moors.

The asking price of the Autofarm car is a step above anything I've seen for a Turbo before and I think is probably a deliberate attempt to re-set the trading range for the cars. Whether it will work I have no idea but having had my own car since 2010 and sunk a lot of money into restoration I think I probably do need to revisit the insurance valuation.


Edited by Lowtimer on Sunday 27th March 11:29
We're in the same boat, insurance renewal due this week. I've had my 1990 Turbo since 2008 and purchased for £5500. The only similar car I can find (the blue fleabay one) is advertised for 15 grand! That appreciation just about covers restoration costs and 9xx upgrades, result.

Sublime motor cars and definitely more than the sum of its parts.