RE: Range Rover Sport SVR vs Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

RE: Range Rover Sport SVR vs Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

Thursday 31st March 2016

Range Rover Sport SVR vs Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

Footballer posing chariots or true all-rounder performance heroes?



Leave your humility at the door please! Yes, when it comes to excess all areas SUVs we're going maximum attack, pitching 'our' Range Rover Sport SVR against the fastest, most extravagant Cayenne you can (currently) buy, the £118K Turbo S. Brace yourselves, we're begging indulgence for yet another attempt at the Ultimate England Vs Germany grouptest...


For a good portion of PHers this is a pointless manhood measurement contest between two pumped up, attention-seeking braggarts. More generously you might consider both of these cars guilty pleasures; extravagant family motors for the upwardly mobile in search of the ticks-all-boxes solution to please all members of the household. If you're going to do it you may as well do it properly and all that.

Top of the Range Rover Sport tree or not a quick glance of the spec sheets will reveal the twin-turbo Cayenne enters this contest boasting the more impressive numbers. There's that 570hp to the SVR's 550hp, a thumping 590lb ft against 501lb ft for the Range Rover's supercharged V8, a 100kg weight saving and a massive £23,305 premium over the Sport's £95,150. 0-62 and top speed also weigh in the Porsche's favour.

This is still an away match for the Cayenne though. Porsche has grown fat off the success of its genre defining sportlich SUV. But flip this contest on its head and imagine a comparison between 911 GT3 and an imaginary Range Rover sports car and you get a sense of the challenge the SVR lays down. Character goes a long way and all that.


Range Rover Sport SVR
You'll be familiar with this car from its appearances on the PH Fleet and the slow burn charm offensive. You may not like the genre but, hell, the SVR's charisma is sufficient to have you making exceptions.


The Sport has the instant advantage of not trying to be something it's not. Easier to tighten up the handling of an SUV and make it feel a bit sporty than attempt to contrive the feeling of driving a 911 Turbo in a top-heavy, four-seat 4x4 after all.

In styling and dynamics the Range Rover has nothing to hide. It's a burly 4x4, square-cut and drawing on a formidable heritage. Handsome is eye of the beholder but proportionally the Sport manages to be both faithful to its traditions without looking at all retro. It's unapologetic but undeniably fit for purpose. Same can be said for the interior, the only let-down being an infotainment interface seemingly a generation behind the rest of the car.

On the road it's as big a laugh as that outrageous exhaust note suggests. Chassis and powertrain wise both of these cars settle on variations of the same solution to combining huge power with seemingly unfavourable weight distribution. Both have variable height air suspension, active anti-roll systems and clever active diff based distribution of power. In the SVR's case it feels more like a souped-up off-roader, albeit carried off with some style.


Electrically assisted, and with a mechanical variable rack, the steering, nonetheless, remains key. The weighting is spot-on, giving you a sense of something to push against and just a hint of what's going on beneath. On all-seasons tyres the grip levels are such you can actually play with its balance on the throttle to an extent too, the long travel suspension meaning you can throw the weight around to where it can help, not hinder.

The linearity of the power delivery can fool you into thinking it's not quite as fast as you might hope. It is though, the view over the hedges from the raised seating position and fearsome punch making it quite the overtaking weapon when confronted with the dawdling masses.

Look for a used Range Rover Sport SVR in the classifieds!



Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
If you want a more car-like driving experience the Cayenne is by far the better choice. But then, if you wanted a more car-like driving experience, surely you'd actually be better off with a Panamera, or equivalent M, RS or AMG? So lies the mystery for the few still not sold on the whole performance crossover thing.


From the off the Cayenne seems desperate to convince you you're in anything but an SUV. The driving position is low-slung, the instrument binnacles enveloping, the shoulder-line high and the wheel much smaller than the Range Rover's yacht-like helm. Which makes the oddly light and insincere weighting of the Power Steering Plus - an option on most other Cayennes - all the more disconcerting. It's not an active variable ratio system like that used by Audi and others but its impact on your confidence is as telling.

This isn't helped by the appalling visibility. The Range Rover, shall we say, enhances your confidence by elevating you over the masses and letting you savour the view. The Cayenne is more like driving an armoured vehicle and peering through slit-like windows, increasing the sense of isolation and disconnection. And in a car this potent that's a little worrying.

No complaints about the way it goes though, the S offering a decent step up from the 520hp and 553lb ft of the regular Cayenne Turbo. It also gets kit like the roll-cancelling PDCC and PCCM ceramic brakes as standard too, somewhat offsetting that burly entry price and premium over the SVR.


The turbos mean an initial softness to the throttle response, swiftly replaced by a thrilling rush of boost. The Sports Exhaust does a good job of making it sound the part too, though it has to defer to the Range Rover's frankly outrageous racket on this regard. The any which way permutations of the various Sport, Sport Plus, suspension, gearshift and other modes are frankly a little bewildering compared with the Range Rover's simpler twist dial. Once you find your optimum setting it's flatter and more tied down than the Range Rover but also lacks its sense of flow.

Both make great use of their shared eight-speed automatic gearbox too, slurring about when needed but also able to deliver as crisp an impression of a paddle-shifted manual as you'd ever need in a car like this.

Look for a used Porsche Cayenne Turbo S in the classifieds!



Verdict
By conventional measures neither of these cars is especially likeable. In their own ways they both astonish in their application of technology to overcome the inherent shortcomings in their size, weight and centre of gravity. For all their different characters they also settle on comparable solutions to the problem too.


Then the history of the SUV is written the Cayenne will arguably have as significant a part to play as the original Range Rover. A Porsche masquerading as an off-roader still feels like a bit of a novelty though. And for all its genre-defining success when it faces about the most dynamically accomplished Range Rovers yet built it suddenly looks out of its comfort zone.

The Porsche is the faster vehicle, capable of lapping the 'ring 15 seconds faster than the SVR if such things matter. It's the one that feels more like a car and less like a 4x4. Its interior wins out on quality and opulence, if not its slightly fussy style. But for all its ability it's less engaging, arguably still fighting the contradiction of sports car in an SUV body the Range Rover will never have to face and considerably more expensive too. And the fact the SVR runs the Cayenne so close dynamically without seemingly compromising the mud-plugging credentials gives it credibility to match the charisma.


RANGE ROVER SPORT SVR
Engine
: 4,997cc, V8 supercharged
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 550@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 501@2,500-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.5sec
Top speed: 162mph
Weight: 2,335kg ('from')
MPG: 22.1mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 298g/km
Price: £95,150 (£106,635 as tested comprising of £450 for Solar Attenuating Windscreen with Laminated Hydrophobic Front, Rear Door and Quarter Light Glass, £600 for 8 inch High Resolution Touch-screen with Dual-View (includes one set of WhiteFire headphones), £4,000 for Meridian Signature Reference Audio System (1700W) with radio and single slot CD player, MP3 disc, file compatability and conversation assist with 23 speakers and subwoofer, Contrast Painted Roof - Santorini Black, Sliding Panoramic Roof including Powered Blind, £185 for Adjustable, Auto-dimming, Heated, Powerfold Memory Exterior Mirrors with Approach Lamps (approach lamps include illuminated Range Rover graphic), £700 for Surround Camera System with Towing Assist, £750 for Wade SensingTM with Blind Spot Monitoring with Closing Vehicle Sensing and Reverse Traffic Detection, £600 for Traffic Sign Recognition and Lane Departure Warning, £1,000 for Head Up Display, £900 for Park Assist featuring Parallel Park, Parking Exit, Perpendicular Parking and 360° Park Distance Control, £1,500 for SVR Carbon Fibre Engine Cover and £800 for Digital TV)

PORSCHE CAYENNE TURBO S
Engine
: 4,806cc, twin turbo-charged V8
Transmission: 8-speed tiptronic S, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 578@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 590@2,250-4,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.1sec
Top speed: 176mph
Weight: 2,235kg (DIN Unladen)
MPG: 24.6mpg
CO2: 267g/km
Price: £118,455 (£123,227 as tested comprising of £1,934 for Sports exhaust system including tail pipe in black, £122 for monochrome black exterior package, £210 for comfort lighting, £320 for privacy glass, £825 for electrically-retractable tow ball, £446 for reversing camera and £591 for roof rails painted in black)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

247 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Dan - We get it that you don't like SUVs. Your narrative is always laced with such negativity, as you seem convinced that your readership does not like these things and that somehow it does not fit what you believe to be the Ph demographic.

You are wrong.

These are immensely useful cars. Anyone who does not live an urban or suburban existence will tell you that there is nothing better for the day to day life of living in rural areas. It it ironic that many urban dwellers see these cars as "chelsea chariots" but there is a significant part of your demographic that lives in the sticks and for whom these cars make a lot of sense - people like Harry Metcalfe, but probably not as rich... smile


Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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toppstuff said:
Anyone who does not live an urban or suburban existence will tell you that there is nothing better for the day to day life of living in rural areas.
I live in a rural area and I don't see the need for an SUV.

AH33

2,066 posts

135 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Never going to have one myself, I can think of lots of better ways to spend £110k, but I like the fact that cars like this still exist in todays increasingly militant lentilist world. If it pisses people off, good. Thats a large part of the appeal.

Hugh Jarse

3,503 posts

205 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Interesting that the 2wd faux off roader and these turbo nutter 4wd variants are the new car shape.
Easy to get in and out of, good view of the road, comfortable seats.
Its how cars began, before they came all swoopy and low.
1920's Austin:

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

247 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Fittster said:
toppstuff said:
Anyone who does not live an urban or suburban existence will tell you that there is nothing better for the day to day life of living in rural areas.
I live in a rural area and I don't see the need for an SUV.
Then you aren't rural enough. Got a horsebox?

patch5674

233 posts

112 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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I was under the impression that in the now fairly old Cayenne the interior was one of it's biggest issues when comparing it to a Sport or X5 and Q7. Isn't the Cayenne due for replacement this year for MY17? I've not been in the facelift of this model but the interior looks pretty similar to the pre facelift, apart from the new multi function 918 esque wheel.

Blackbird425

1,896 posts

105 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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"The Sport has the instant advantage of not trying to be something it's not"

I'd say that's exactly what it's trying to be

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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"But flip this contest on its head and imagine a comparison between 911 GT3 and an imaginary Range Rover sports car and you get a sense of the challenge the SVR lays down."

I don't really follow the above if i'm being honest.

However if I think its about lineage and heritage, there is a problem, Porsche still makes sports cars and 911's, Land Rover just binned its own heritage, and now only makes shiny chariots.

matpilch

246 posts

140 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Oddball RS said:
"But flip this contest on its head and imagine a comparison between 911 GT3 and an imaginary Range Rover sports car and you get a sense of the challenge the SVR lays down."

I don't really follow the above if i'm being honest.
The way I see it, Range Rover has the luxury-offroady-sporty-suv thing nailed down and Porsche can only take notes in this regard. But should LR ever decide to build a sporty coupe, the 911 GT3 would be one to look up to.

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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toppstuff said:
Then you aren't rural enough. Got a horsebox?
It is possible to live in the arse end of nowhere and not own horses. hehe

kmpowell

2,927 posts

228 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Blackbird425 said:
"The Sport has the instant advantage of not trying to be something it's not"

I'd say that's exactly what it's trying to be
Yup I agree - and in reality it fails miserably when stacked v the Porsche. Watch the RRS get annihilated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFx8RlXCOpk

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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toppstuff said:
Dan - We get it that you don't like SUVs.
You did read to the end of the story, right? I'll be the first to admit both of these cars succeed handsomely in their goals and, at least in the SVR's case, with enough charisma to win over even the most ardent anti-SUV cynic. Or at least leaving them feeling a little conflicted! And customers love them.

One point I will take issue with though and that's practicality - living with the Sport it's not as big inside as it looks from out, the rear seats don't fold flat and, like all SUVs needing to accommodate massive 22-inch wheels and suitable suspension travel, there's a load of arch intrusion that impacts on boot space and rear legroom. Plus shorter people need 'convenience' features like powered tailgates and load height suspension to use the boot. And in the Cayenne's case leg- and headroom in the back are awful, the boot is small and the visibility woeful. They are mighty machines but the ability and style does demand sacrifices.

If you want truly practical, rural friendly transport I'd maintain an Octavia Scout, Legacy Outback, A6 Allroad or similar gives you more actual usable space, much more road-friendly dimensions and enough off-road ability to get along any farm track or be confident of reaching your destination whatever the weather. Bringing us full circle to the inescapable fact pose factor is at least as important as the actual usability in these things.

And the perceived anti-SUV bias? Consider it an editorial stance. And I'm the editor! smile But I hope you'll agree opinions are qualified, expressed fairly and fully backed up where made. And, of course, if you disagree there is a platform on which to discuss further!

Cheers!

Dan


Edited by Dan Trent on Wednesday 30th March 14:36

Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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toppstuff said:
Fittster said:
toppstuff said:
Anyone who does not live an urban or suburban existence will tell you that there is nothing better for the day to day life of living in rural areas.
I live in a rural area and I don't see the need for an SUV.
Then you aren't rural enough. Got a horsebox?
So everyone who lives in a rural area has a horse box? Have you actually been to a rural area to see what it's like? I think you'll be upset to find we don't all go round wearing Barbour jackets and towing horseboxes.

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Well at least Dan has been weened off 911's.

The Range Rover is the real deal and always has been, the Porsche is dog food dressed as steak tartar. It is a reconfigured Audi. This was the first one, the Macca takes this idea a step further and is just an Audi, reskinned, tweeked and now even using VW diesels. No DNA, just a badge job.

Range Rover every time. Heritage, capability and breading count.

SirSquidalot

4,042 posts

165 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Porsche base price: £118,455

Jesus god eek

Theophany

1,069 posts

130 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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article said:
Which makes the oddly light and insincere weighting of the Power Steering Plus - an option on most other Cayennes - all the more disconcerting. It's not an active variable ratio system like that used by Audi and others but its impact on your confidence is as telling.
What a load of old rubbish. How can a car's steering knock your confidence unless it does something unexpected, i.e. fail?

Atmospheric

5,305 posts

208 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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SirSquidalot said:
Porsche base price: £118,455

Jesus god eek
Astronomical really.

MikeGalos

261 posts

284 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Fine comparison for the two SUVs as high performance mini-vans. But how about taking them off road? After all, unlike the Porsche, the Range Rover is still an actual SUV and not a tall station wagon.

And, for that matter, if you're going to compare them as boulevard cruisers, how about comparing the top of the line in both brands and use the full-size Range Rover Supercharged?

So how about the following comparison done both on-road and off including mud, sand and towing a horse box:

Land Rover - Range Rover Autobiography 5.0l Supercharged
Porsche - Cayenne Turbo S
Bentley - Bentayga

LasseV

1,754 posts

133 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Fittster said:
I live in a rural area and I don't see the need for an SUV.
Me too. Actually there is no SUV's in my area. There are proper 4wd workhorses tho, but these two are not that kind of cars.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Theophany said:
What a load of old rubbish. How can a car's steering knock your confidence unless it does something unexpected, i.e. fail?
Drive these two back to back and you'll see what I mean! The weighting and response of the Power Steering Plus in the Porsche just seems to have no feel or feedback, making it very hard to judge grip levels, how much lock to apply, etc... PH - steering feel matters!

Dan