RE: BMW M4 versus M2: PH Blog

RE: BMW M4 versus M2: PH Blog

Thursday 14th April 2016

BMW M4 versus M2: PH Blog

Seemingly a fag paper apart on the spec sheet, has BMW put enough air between its two M cars?



I've just got back from the UK launch for the BMW M2 in, er, Spain. If it makes you feel any better the weather was authentically British. And we were in RHD cars too. If you're still feeling envious direct your green-eyed gaze at Matt, who got to drive it around Laguna Seca.

We did drive it on the road. Honest
We did drive it on the road. Honest
All of our driving was on the road. From the perspective of a man with many miles in an M4 this was a revealing experience. After all, if there's a criticism of the M2 it's that it potentially makes its much more expensive big brother look a little silly. It's a fascinating comparison too; the M4 has a decent wedge more power at 431hp and 406lb ft to the M2's 370hp and 343lb ft, plus the additional tech and much fancier 'proper' M-developed twin-turbo engine would appear to make the M4's £12,985 premium seem worthwhile. If that doesn't do it the M4's carbon strut brace looks dead fancy too.

Then that pesky real world kicks in. Our M4 long-termer was a £74K with options; the more limited range of extras on the M2 meant all the UK-spec cars I saw were well under £50K as driven, even those with the £2,645 M DCT gearbox. £13K premium easily becomes £20K then. And how much of that extra performance potential of the M4 can you actually appreciate day to day? They're both limited to 155mph (well, officially) and, relevant beyond pub/forum bragging or not, an M4 is only a couple of tenths quicker to 62mph.

Another new M-car name to get used to!
Another new M-car name to get used to!
From the perspective of an M4 'owner' (indulge me the fantasy) I think I'd feel comfortable with that premium though. More on my impressions of the M2 to follow but for the added complexity and character of the engine alone the M4 is more of-a-piece performance product than appealingly hot-rodded base car.

And that's the heart of it really. When I attended the original M3/M4 launch I was struck at how thoroughly engineered that car is; from front bumper to bootlid it bristles with bespoke parts and has the sense of a car developed as a complete package. It also feels much, much faster. The M2 is quick enough, the M4 possibly a little too much at times. And that's what I like about it - there's a ferocity in the upper reaches of the M4 that puts it in a very different league. Whether you get to use it is another matter of course.

And those awaiting delivery of an M2? They're winners too. For those put off by the M4's configurable complexity it seemingly gets the best of that car's engineering - the diff, the bespoke suspension components, the brakes - while dumping the gimmicks. This also gives the M2 a big enough gap over the M235i.

Costlier, yes, but it does have advantages
Costlier, yes, but it does have advantages
The character differences are notable on the road too. Because of the stupid auto-blipping function I was forced - forced - to drive the manual M2 with DSC fully off, this sitting on the 'wrong' side of the car and on bumpy, rain-soaked Spanish roads. And not once did it feel it was going to kill me. Would I have done the same in an M4? Probably not - I'll save it for the roadtest to explain why but as you'll know from my long-term reports driving an M4 at pace is something that you build up to, with a resulting greater sense of satisfaction. The M2 is a car anyone can jump in and drive to the limit within just a few miles. I'd be interested to spend equivalent time in one to see if the novelty wears off inverse to the way the M4's improves with time.

So, a clean sweep for the M2 and further PH fawning over its purist credentials assured then? There is an elephant in the room. And it's got a V8 engine and significantly lower price tag...

 









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Gandahar

Original Poster:

9,600 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Considering these new M bimmers are all using the same engine isn't the best thing the 340i M estate with a remap and lots of goodies thrown at it?

A latter day Volvo T5R BTCC estate.... now that would be cool.





I'm getting a bit numb to all these M niche models using same powertrain, so this would be refreshing.


Soupr

21 posts

112 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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"Driving an M4 at pace is something that you build up to, with a resulting greater sense of satisfaction. The M2 is a car anyone can jump in and drive to the limit within just a few miles."

Would a layman not have to build up to driving an M2 at pace, given that you have built up in an M4 your confidence is going to be higher, especially in a lower powered car.

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Gandahar said:
Considering these new M bimmers are all using the same engine isn't the best thing the 340i M estate with a remap and lots of goodies thrown at it?

A latter day Volvo T5R BTCC estate.... now that would be cool.





I'm getting a bit numb to all these M niche models using same powertrain, so this would be refreshing.
They don't use the same engine. HTH.

trickywoo

11,792 posts

230 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Motortrend have a recent M4 vs M2 video out with similar conclusions.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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If the M2 wasn't so heavy it might run the M4 a little closer.
Still feels weird saying M4 not M3

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I'm assuming the V8 elephant is the Mustang?

Ursicles

1,068 posts

242 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I wasnt sure about the elephant either and thought Mustang.

Not entirely sure they are comparable vehicles though.

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Ursicles said:
I wasnt sure about the elephant either and thought Mustang.

Not entirely sure they are comparable vehicles though.
I agree, If they hadn't have said "significantly cheaper" then I wouldn't have come to that conclusion....

NigeP

12 posts

162 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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For some reason I'd forgotten about the mustang, and thought they might be refering to a 2nd hand e92 M3. Bit out of date, perhaps?

Vroom101

828 posts

133 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Ursicles said:
I wasnt sure about the elephant either and thought Mustang.

Not entirely sure they are comparable vehicles though.
Putting badge snobbery to one side, why would they not be comparable? Both coupes, both four seaters, both RWD, both can be had with a manual gearbox. Pretty comparable in my book. Apart from the fact that the Mustang has a honking N/A 5.0. Litre V8 which is more powerful than both the M2 and M4 (just).

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Ursicles said:
I wasnt sure about the elephant either and thought Mustang.

Not entirely sure they are comparable vehicles though.
The Mustang isn't significantly larger than the M4 and a bit heavier no doubt. It's nearly half the price though.

dr Dunkel

21 posts

214 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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unpc said:
The Mustang isn't significantly larger than the M4 and a bit heavier no doubt. It's nearly half the price though.
I don't know about the pricing in the UK, but here there M2 is about 25% more than the GT, or less than £10k, in basic shape.

Edit: I just realised I don't post that much around here. Better shape up!

Vee12V

1,334 posts

160 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Motortrend was pretty conclusive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5z2cJ5aqk

hiredog

7 posts

236 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Gandahar said:
Considering these new M bimmers are all using the same engine isn't the best thing the 340i M estate with a remap and lots of goodies thrown at it?

A latter day Volvo T5R BTCC estate.... now that would be cool.





I'm getting a bit numb to all these M niche models using same powertrain, so this would be refreshing.
I'd say a 335d M estate with a remap would be even better. More torque, more MPH and its already 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, so quite probably faster once its mapped.

Gandahar

Original Poster:

9,600 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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E65Ross said:
Gandahar said:
Considering these new M bimmers are all using the same engine isn't the best thing the 340i M estate with a remap and lots of goodies thrown at it?

A latter day Volvo T5R BTCC estate.... now that would be cool.





I'm getting a bit numb to all these M niche models using same powertrain, so this would be refreshing.
They don't use the same engine. HTH.
Oh Ross, you know what I mean. No V8 anymore, 6 cyl petrol with turbo in M135, M2, M3, M4..... all with tweaks and a different nomenclature to make it seem "different"

They used to do a V10 in the M5 and a V8 in the M3 and then all the lower cars then had " different" 6 cyl engines. At least the M5 still has 8 cylinders though reduced in capacity.

wink

shalmaneser

5,934 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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NigeP said:
For some reason I'd forgotten about the mustang, and thought they might be refering to a 2nd hand e92 M3. Bit out of date, perhaps?
Hah!

Me too.

Saw a mustang in the wild the other day. Looked a bit swollen and bloated to me, but then quite a lot of modern cars do to my eyes.

It did have a V8 though.

crashley

1,568 posts

180 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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hiredog said:
I'd say a 335d M estate with a remap would be even better. More torque, more MPH and its already 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, so quite probably faster once its mapped.
Of the 340 or 335D which is quicker say 60-120mph?

E65Ross

35,080 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Gandahar said:
E65Ross said:
Gandahar said:
Considering these new M bimmers are all using the same engine isn't the best thing the 340i M estate with a remap and lots of goodies thrown at it?

A latter day Volvo T5R BTCC estate.... now that would be cool.





I'm getting a bit numb to all these M niche models using same powertrain, so this would be refreshing.
They aren't the same engines with different tweaks, the M4 engine is rather different to the M2 engine.
They don't use the same engine. HTH.
Oh Ross, you know what I mean. No V8 anymore, 6 cyl petrol with turbo in M135, M2, M3, M4..... all with tweaks and a different nomenclature to make it seem "different"

They used to do a V10 in the M5 and a V8 in the M3 and then all the lower cars then had " different" 6 cyl engines. At least the M5 still has 8 cylinders though reduced in capacity.

wink

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I was surprised by Motor Trends outcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5z2cJ5aqk

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
I was surprised by Motor Trends outcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5z2cJ5aqk
I like it in white

http://youtu.be/Q4FNZkuV2-Y