RE: Rover 100 'Talon 100RT': You Know You Want To

RE: Rover 100 'Talon 100RT': You Know You Want To

Tuesday 3rd May 2016

Rover 100 'Talon 100RT': You Know You Want To

A left-field alternative to the usual suspects for some cheap track day fun



Alright, so this could be a hard sell. Because at the end of the day, this is a Metro, with a K-Series in it, and it's £3,000. To some people, one or perhaps all of those factors will be enough to say "No, I'm fairly sure I don't want to, thanks very much."

Spot the side-exit exhaust!
Spot the side-exit exhaust!
Bear with, though. Firstly the prospect of a Metro/100 track car is not as daft as it seems, especially given how many are used in MG race series. The K-Series engine issues are well documented but have been addressed in time. And that price looks more than reasonable given the spec.

This little Rover, which must be significantly less than 1,000kg, is pushing out 183hp from its 1.8-litre K-Series. It has been helped to that figure with Jenvey throttle bodies, Piper cams replacing the VVC set up and an Emerald ECU. It also has a side-exit exhaust, which immediately makes any vehicle cooler. As the advert states, and which sounds entirely believable, this is a 'VERY FAST METRO'.

There's more, too. Power goes to the front wheels via a Quaife limited-slip diff and an uprated gearbox, there are adjustable front dampers, Metro GTI brakes and the fully welded six-point cage. Note as well there are three Perspex windows and an aluminium rear diffuser, explaining the side-exit exhaust. Even the bonnet and bootlid are fibreglass to save further weight; it's a proper job!

You could take a passenger, but think of the weight...
You could take a passenger, but think of the weight...
The advert is detailed and seemingly honest too, which is good news. For a track and fast road car, it appears to be in decent cosmetic condition; rust will always be a concern as this car is now approaching its 20th birthday, so to only have a very small amount for now bodes well. But then the scabbier it looks, the more surprised people will be when they're overtaken by a Metro...

Of course it won't be for everyone, and it doesn't have the track day kudos of a Renaultsport Clio or an old Peugeot. Certainly you wouldn't want to crash in one of Euro NCAP's lowest rated cars either. But the mega Metro is different, and looks to have been built to a high standard.

That being said, there are still alternatives at this relatively low price point. This Focus is up for £3,500 with a cage already in and a tweaked 2.0-litre engine. You can even get in a track prepared 205 GTI for £2,500, albeit one with an Mi16 engine and that's nearly 10 years older again than the Metro. Or you could spend just £1,500 on a Clio 172 with some track day prep already done...

If you don't want to be like everyone else and get a Clio though, this Rover 100 has a lot going for it. As cheap, fast and interesting track cars go, it certainly stands out. Overtake a bemused M3 driver on a track day and it'll seem like the best £3K you've ever spent!


ROVER 100 TALON 100 RT
Price:
£3,195
Why you should: More than 180hp, less than a tonne, LSD, Perspex windows...
Why you shouldn't: ... In a Metro

See the original advert here.



   


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V8 FOU

Original Poster:

2,974 posts

147 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Yes!
Been watching the Metro cup on the TV and enjoying it.
This has to be a great fun track car - should be very quick too. These handle very well as stock too.

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Ability over style. Love it.

TankRizzo

7,269 posts

193 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Nice!

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

214 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Limpet said:
Ability over style. Love it.
Really?!

I just don't see why anyone would want to start with a Metro as a base. If I was to do the whole MG/Rover thing for a track car I would go with an MGF Trophy which can be bought for £2k-£3k

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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BeirutTaxi said:
Really?!

I just don't see why anyone would want to start with a Metro as a base. If I was to do the whole MG/Rover thing for a track car I would go with an MGF Trophy which can be bought for £2k-£3k
Because if everyone made decisions based on a purely technical/financial exercise the world would be a boring place?

There is a Skoda Yeti that frequents trackdays in the South West, it's pretty rapid. I'm sure, for the money, the owner could have purchased a Focus RS and be done with it, but that's kinda missing the point.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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BeirutTaxi said:
Limpet said:
Ability over style. Love it.
Really?!

I just don't see why anyone would want to start with a Metro as a base. If I was to do the whole MG/Rover thing for a track car I would go with an MGF Trophy which can be bought for £2k-£3k
The Metro is as good a base as any other compact hatch of that era. And weighs less than a lot. Arguably it's a better platform than a classic Mini. Bigger engine bay, easier to work on, similar weight, better suspension design, more rigid shell.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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anonymous said:
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No not really. It might use the subframe, but the shell is completely different.

JMF894

5,504 posts

155 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Love the concept of this


RumbleOfThunder

3,556 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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That's cracking!

J4CKO

41,558 posts

200 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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300bhp/ton said:
BeirutTaxi said:
Limpet said:
Ability over style. Love it.
Really?!

I just don't see why anyone would want to start with a Metro as a base. If I was to do the whole MG/Rover thing for a track car I would go with an MGF Trophy which can be bought for £2k-£3k
The Metro is as good a base as any other compact hatch of that era. And weighs less than a lot. Arguably it's a better platform than a classic Mini. Bigger engine bay, easier to work on, similar weight, better suspension design, more rigid shell.
Indeed, everyone goes all doe eyed when they see a Mini but wants to see a Metro crushed despite being very similar in a lot of ways and superior in a lot more, apart from looking cute, its like a 14 year old girls view on animal conservation, save all the ickle fwuffy things and stamp on anything that isnt cute.

They arent very solid, then, nether was anything else designed in 1978, Fiestas, Novas, polos etc, all death on a stty stick, it just went on too long.

I drove one not that long ago, my grandads 1.1, no apologies for digging this out again,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rOPtxAD32M

kids had a great laugh in it, until my father in law got upset about the mess in his field, it got stuck in a barn for three years unused, flat tyres, covered in crap and he was about to scrap it, I stepped in and stuck it on Retro Rides and sold it for £100 and it now lives on with an MOT and everything !

Bennet

2,122 posts

131 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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anonymous said:
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Were you involved in the design of the MGF, or have I misunderstood you?

Matt UK

17,698 posts

200 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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I can see the appeal...

Russell B.

2 posts

217 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Thanks Matt Bird for the write up. I can confirm the car is great fun and everything you anticipate. now who'd like to purchase it from me?!

And it's a little better prepared than the one in Frimley111R's link wink - no offence to the owner of that car!...

dollyboy

122 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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anonymous said:
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I was also told the same when attending an interview with a company that manufactured the chassis components for MG/Rover and others.

I'm not sure why some people think a metro would be a poor base for a track car, they were very popular in club level motorsport about 15 years ago. I remember attending an event at Croft and the metro's were some of the quickest cars there, if not the quickest, and also the only cars which could straight line the chicane they'd made using hay bales, looked scary smile

I'll soon be looking for a cheap and fun car for road use and the odd track day, I'd definitely consider one of these, something a bit different.

Spannerski

127 posts

111 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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I remember the 1.4 GTa and GTi's of the late 90's.
Fairly quick cars with good handling.

Looks never grew on me.

Rovers/MG's are seriously under-estimated cars due to the pasting they were given by journalists at the time.

Steamer

13,857 posts

213 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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"Lynn...

...In this case I might make an exception."

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

214 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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anonymous said:
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I was referring to the MGF Trophy which has some important differences, AP racing brakes, stiffer suspension etc smile



pmr01

318 posts

150 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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I had a metro 1.4 gti...one of the 103hp versions. j Reg. the K Series engine was brilliant - took acres of abuse; and loved it. quick lift off the power when cornering and then flat on the throttle...beautiful. the protection does seem woeful now.

rtz62

3,368 posts

155 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2016
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Funnily enough I'd just sent the advert for this very car to a friend of mine, and have been sufficiently interested to read up on Talon.
The job they appears to be excellent (I'm sure someone will say how they managed to get more power / torque or better braking / handling than the Talon car, but for the guy that just wants to get the work done without all the faff of getting bits to fit etc, it's spot on imho).
And the answer to 'why would anyone want to do this with a Metro'-type questions is quite simply, and other than 'why not?' Is that it's a cheap way into a lightweight track car that can do well on our domestic tracks AND roads.
I've seen a video on YouTube with either a Talon-prepp'd car or one that's similar (if my memory serves me correctly) and it didn't do a bad job at all.
Yes, I'd prefer a Golf, Corrado or similar, but heck, this is pretty good anyway and will probably do as well on track days.
Each to his own, of course....