RE: Shed of the Week: Jeep Grand Cherokee

RE: Shed of the Week: Jeep Grand Cherokee

Friday 6th May 2016

Shed of the Week: Jeep Grand Cherokee

All the car you need when 'that big brown chomps on your hopper'



Orvis sounds like something you might have jam on as you're kicking an empty bean can disconsolately up a cobbled Northern street. This week, however, Orvis refers to the name chosen by Jeep for a limited edition Grand Cherokee that has just lumbered clumsily into SOTW territory.


That name came from a manly marketing tie-up between Jeep and (can you guess?) Orvis, a US-based megastore for all kinds of outdoorsy stuff, including SuperStrong™ Tippet.

What kinda tippet now? Shed is not a fishist, but apparently tippet is a kind of fishing string. It says here that "the wet knot strength of SuperStrong™ is higher than any other polyester material, meaning when that big brown chomps on your hopper, you can finish the fight without fear of breakage". Few would disagree with the idea that big browns chomping on one's hopper should be dealt with in a firm and decisive manner, and Shed himself dreams of the day when he might finish his 30-year fight with Mrs Shed once and for all.

Back in Shedland, the fear of breakage is something that will never be far from your mind should you decide to blow your big brown grand on this Grand Cherokee Limited Orvis.


Shed's not sure whether this really is an Orvis. His confusion about a 1998 example of a special edition that only ran for two years between 1995 and 1997 can perhaps be explained by the UK market taking the unbought dregs from the US market after the partnership between these two companies came to an end.

What's not so easy to explain is the black paint. Orvi only came in Moss Green or, er, Light Driftwood. Who knows what colour that is, but the word Light suggests it's not a type of black. An Orvis is also meant to have "unique beige-and-green luxury leather seating surfaces with red piping and matching door panel accents". Ulp.

If it is an Orvis, and let's say it is, it might have an electrically operated rear glass, which is actually quite a nice feature if you have dogs or relatives that you're not particularly fond of and an unfortunately jerky throttle foot. Even if the rear window doesn't have power, there's no shortage of electrical assistance for just about everything else in a Grand Cherokee. Nothing you wouldn't expect in a standard supermini these days, but back in the 90s GCs were seen as wonderfully packed with labour-saving electrickery. Well, maybe not wonderfully so much, as Jeep electrics are famed for their flakiness, but certainly extensively.


Americans have always had a love affair with wacky misspelt names. They're usually mash ups of two words squashed into one, with the capital letter of the second one retained. Jeep used plenty of these to help it remember which of its many and various 4x4 systems were on any given car. Best known were Command-Trac, Selec-Trac, and the permanent all-time four-wheel setup that should be on this Shed, Quadra-Trac. Other niche-market 4x4 systems were available, including a lowered Race-Trak (with enhanced Quadra-Link suspension) for sportier drivers, a jacked-up Ha-Trac for offroading milliners, and a Hi-Slush single-geared Bak-Trac option for politicians. None of that last sentence was true.

The one thing this particular Grand Cherokee doesn't have is a 5.9-litre V8 motor. Instead, you get Jeep's lounge-mungous 4.0-litre straight six. Compared to everything else on the Chero this pushrod unit is pretty reliable. It can easily top 200K miles without major attention, as long as some passing attention is paid to it along the way. Failing to match up the tyres nicely will brew up tranny trouble. Busted air-con is dear to mend.


Frackers will like it though as they'll very likely be striking some oil on a daily basis. The rear main seal is known to leak, though not catastrophically. The air filter can get a bit gloopy too, usually as a result of blow-by from worn rings or as a by-product of clogged vacuum/PCV pipes. Instead of hating the oiliness you could embrace it as a sign of how messily jovial things were in the good old days. To the Cherokee's list of old-school quirks you can add rear axle whine, screen leaks and less room in the back than you might think. As noted, Jeep's Powr-Klik electrical switches are fairly horrid quality-wise but not too onerous to fix.

On the positive side, a pre-2000 car like our SOTW won't have the new-and-not-so-improved No-Krak manifold that turned out to be anything but. Rust is definitely a potential issue, but this car looks like it's spent most of its time in a rather posh garage.

Get it out on the road and you might enjoy its pillowy EasyBoy seats, if not so much its FauxWood™ dash panelling and generally vile build quality. You'll enjoy its relatively compact dimensions (compared to a Range Rover). You may even be vaguely impressed by its off-road abilities.

There it is then. As they say, a lot of car for the money. How much car you might want for your money, in tonnage terms, is a question only you can answer.

Here's the ad.

A really lovely example. Good condition for year and mileage. MOT December 2016. Recently fitted Catalytic converter and new front brake discs and pads. Air conditioning. Heated seats. Automatic. Cruise control. 6CD player.


Author
Discussion

Spannerski

Original Poster:

127 posts

111 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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These things can run for many thousands of miles without attention.
30K + between services is not unheard of.

Personally - I'd stick it out back with the trash or turn it into a moonshine still.

tomsugden

2,235 posts

228 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Lovely when they work, but the old 4.7 V8 I bought nearly ruined me.

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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These don't seem to age very well. Its probably going to drink fuel. However, if you don't plan on doing big mileage and can get a reasonable insurance quote it might be half decent tow vehicle I guess. Otherwise I'd avoid.

Drive Blind

5,095 posts

177 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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LOL @ the spare taking up half the boot

The Don of Croy

5,998 posts

159 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Some good jokes in there - not including the Jeep.

Once borrowed the std Cherokee 4.0ltr for a jaunt - amazingly short of leg room in the rear - but the engine was a willing and capable partner, if thirsty.

sinbaddio

2,372 posts

176 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Those front seats look bloody comfy.

TurboHatchback

4,160 posts

153 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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I actually quite like these, my brother once had one with the 2.5 diesel and it was very comfy thing. I would question who is going to buy a car that will cost at least it's own value in fuel every 4000 miles at current prices though.

J4CKO

41,549 posts

200 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Wasn't Orvis Keith Harris's little green mate ?

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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I'm sure this is terrible and will break down every 30 minutes but I can't help but want one before they all disappear - it's never going to be loved or cherished and scrapped readily when big bills appear

Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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That doesn't look too dreadful but what's going on with the gear selector? Either it's been rotated or they didn't bother making one that your fingers would fit round for the RHD market.

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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So much about this is objectively appalling. Only an American engine could take 4 litres to churn out 176 bhp, then there's the pound shop plastics and fake wood, and the fact that each of the two of these I've been in creaked and groaned like a tired minicab even with under 40,000 miles on the clock.

But I quite like it. I actually love the chintzy interiors of big American cars. The shiny plastics, OTT fake wood, the full complement of instruments, and the big squishy armchairs. Somehow so much more welcoming than the clinical black and aluminium German coal house interiors that we have come to think of as benchmarks nowadays.

I like it. If I had even half a use (or space) for a 4.0 SUV, I'd be very tempted.

Edited by Limpet on Friday 6th May 10:26

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

195 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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J4CKO said:
Wasn't Orvis Keith Harris's little green mate ?
Orvil IIRC. Spookily, the cheeky bird's colour does match the manufacturer's description of the leather interior though...


lostkiwi

4,584 posts

124 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Friend had a V8 one and it was a lovely comfy old thing.
Looked at getting one myself a number of years back but in the end went with a Toyota Land Cruiser Colorado for the reliability. Big mistake. I'm sure the Jeep would have been no less reliable...

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Seating design by DFS ?

Leithen

10,883 posts

267 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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GranCab said:
Seating design by DFS ?
Who cares, comfiest things ever placed in a ve-hicle. hehe

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Limpet said:
So much about this is objectively appalling. Only an American engine could take 4 litres to churn out 176 bhp, [/footnote]
This same old st again, you uninformed people never give it a rest do you rolleyes

It wouldn't be so bad except you are wrong with every fact and obviously have no clue as to why.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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The Don of Croy said:
Once borrowed the std Cherokee 4.0ltr for a jaunt - amazingly short of leg room in the rear - but the engine was a willing and capable partner, if thirsty.
The XJ Cherokee is a small vehicle though. I think because of it's boxy styling, people always assume it's massive. But it's not, it's about the same size as an e36 BMW, but with a bigger boot. And has similar leg room to said BMW.

The 4.0 litre is very very smooth, makes 190hp and pulls from nothing, which you only get with larger displacement engines. The low end grunt from 1000-1200rpm is very very good. And much more suited to this type of vehicle, rather than having a revy 2.5 V6 with the same PEAK hp output.

Interestingly the Jeep 4.0 makes more power than the Rover V8 4.0, is smoother and better on fuel too. Jap trucks of this period would likely have had a 3.0 or 3.5 V6 with similar HP, but less torque, less low end grunt and actually no better on fuel either.

Limpet

6,309 posts

161 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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300bhp/ton said:
This same old st again, you uninformed people never give it a rest do you rolleyes

It wouldn't be so bad except you are wrong with every fact and obviously have no clue as to why.
Oh wind your neck in, keyboard warrior.

AC43

11,486 posts

208 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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I once went in one.

It was the sort of thing I imagine Peter Kay would go for.

World of Leather interior, an Amazonian forest-worth of plastic wood, surround sound chirping and creaking noises , wallowing ride combined with massive CRASHING noises from underneath and, despite the heft, sod-all room.

Last seen parked on a drive with a busted gearbox.




stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Limpet said:
300bhp/ton said:
This same old st again, you uninformed people never give it a rest do you rolleyes

It wouldn't be so bad except you are wrong with every fact and obviously have no clue as to why.
Oh wind your neck in, keyboard warrior.
To continue the playground theme. You started it.