does any one have a TUV or EU verification number ?

[bamsetand]

Hi all ultima Guys
I am planning to registret my ultima gtr in Denmark, so to avoid crash test i need the TUV verification or approuval numbers from a EU country best if it is from germany or sweden.

All help is needed since the danish transport officials are hard bananas.

kindest regards

[F.C.]

I can't imagine there would be TUV certification on these cars it is prohibitively expensive on such a low production rate.
Call the factory they will have the knowledge you need (even if it's bad!!) good luck.

[bamsetand]

F.C. said:

I can't imagine there would be TUV certification on these cars it is prohibitively expensive on such a low production rate.
Call the factory they will have the knowledge you need (even if it's bad!!) good luck.

Thanks F.C
I just wonder how other ultima gtr owners in germany sweden france can get type approval or even a EC certification?
it would so much better if there existed an standard type approval for ultima cars.

do you know how many cars ultima cars produce a year. i read it had to be more than 500 a year.

[Pascal Mertens]

Well as far as my knowledge goes before april 2009 you we're fine with a UK SVA-approval but now you need a COC wich obviously is very hard to obtain for a small constructor like Ultima.

In Belgium anyway it is impossible to get a new Ultima on the road unless you would be interested in going through all the tests wich will come at an extreme cost... So cars like Bac Mono, Ultima, Caterham 620,... are VERY hard if not impossible to get on the road without full factory support.

I would doubt it very much if there are new road-legal Ultima's in Europe besides the UK.

500 Cars a year ??? I believe somebody would be very happy in Leicester...

Edited by Pascal Mertens on Thursday 12th May 09:17

[bamsetand]

Pascal Mertens said:

Well as far as my knowledge goes before april 2009 you we're fine with a UK SVA-approval but now you need a COC wich obviously is very hard to obtain for a small constructor like Ultima.

In Belgium anyway it is impossible to get a new Ultima on the road unless you would be interested in going through all the tests wich will come at an extreme cost... So cars like Bac Mono, Ultima, Caterham 620,... are VERY hard if not impossible to get on the road without full factory support.

I would doubt it very much if there are new road-legal Ultima's in Europe besides the UK.

500 Cars a year ??? I believe somebody would be very happy in Leicester...

Edited by Pascal Mertens on Thursday 12th May 09:17

Regarding road legal Ultimas in EU .. perhaps that is why no one respond here.. i have spoken to various people here in piston heads from germany, spain and sweden france who claims they got their ultima registreted. But i think it is very impossible to get ultima on the street in EU. Also it is impossible to get any help from the factory. so i think i will not try at all.
But it is interesting how Caterham and ac cobra is driving the streets in Denmark. the law is different when it is a replica car as i can understand. But Ultima is not a replica or a conversion look-a-like if only ultima ltd was to claim it is a replica of ex renault leman(street legal version) then i would be able to registrate the car. But no such luck.

[Pascal Mertens]

bamsetand said:

Regarding road legal Ultimas in EU .. perhaps that is why no one respond here.. i have spoken to various people here in piston heads from germany, spain and sweden france who claims they got their ultima registreted. But i think it is very impossible to get ultima on the street in EU. Also it is impossible to get any help from the factory. so i think i will not try at all.
But it is interesting how Caterham and ac cobra is driving the streets in Denmark. the law is different when it is a replica car as i can understand. But Ultima is not a replica or a conversion look-a-like if only ultima ltd was to claim it is a replica of ex renault leman(street legal version) then i would be able to registrate the car. But no such luck.

Caterham has COC-models and for cars registered before 2009 there might be possibilities too surely if it is an oldtimer. In Belgium it are not only kitcars but all the small volume cars that are impossible to get on the road. Then I guess the Danish won't be more relaxed than the Belgian lawmakers are they ?

[deadscoob]

Isn't there a German builder on here, who has built numerous for customers? Uwe Spatz (RIP) also built 2 in Germany and road registered them....

Found who is was thinking of - Sven - SchimmS.

Have you contacted him?

Edited by deadscoob on Thursday 12th May 16:19

[UltimaCH]

There is a site in Germany, but in German....
http://www.ultimacars.de/?page_id=4

[bamsetand]

deadscoob said:

Isn't there a German builder on here, who has built numerous for customers? Uwe Spatz (RIP) also built 2 in Germany and road registered them....

Found who is was thinking of - Sven - SchimmS.

Have you contacted him?

Edited by deadscoob on Thursday 12th May 16:19

Thanks deadscoob

how do i contact them here?

[bamsetand]

UltimaCH said:

There is a site in Germany, but in German....
http://www.ultimacars.de/?page_id=4

thanks for the link Ultimach

[Steve_D]

bamsetand said:

deadscoob said:

Isn't there a German builder on here, who has built numerous for customers? Uwe Spatz (RIP) also built 2 in Germany and road registered them....

Found who is was thinking of - Sven - SchimmS.

Have you contacted him?

Edited by deadscoob on Thursday 12th May 16:19

Thanks deadscoob

how do i contact them here?

Look for SchimmS and Spatz in the members directory.
When Uwe (Spatz) died it was only weeks after he picked up his second Ultima for TUV approval.
Sven (SchimmS) was with him when he picked up the car.

If you send a PM to Spatz his wife Heike may well answer. It was her intention to keep driving at least one of his cars.

Steve

[bamsetand]

Steve_D said:

Look for SchimmS and Spatz in the members directory.
When Uwe (Spatz) died it was only weeks after he picked up his second Ultima for TUV approval.
Sven (SchimmS) was with him when he picked up the car.

If you send a PM to Spatz his wife Heike may well answer. It was her intention to keep driving at least one of his cars.

Steve

Hey steve D
i am in contact with http://www.ultimacars.de who said they can help. but i will look up sven schims.
it so nice in pistonheads-ultima since you all are so helpful. thanks.

[bamsetand]

hey all
i got in talk with schimms sven from http://www.ultimacars.de who knows ALOT about registration of ultima since they build about 30 a year and registrate them...
But now it is impossible to aprove a new ultima,to euro6. only LS1 can pass euro6 tuv. but it has never been used in the car yet. so it is no good.

dr. straus at ultimacars.de told me if the car has registration in germany the car can pass all other eu countries. and that is good news for all..

but he also states that from now on no new ultima will registrate. which will make the cars become very collective and expensive. and that is good news.))

Have a nice weekend all of you and thanks for all the support

[SchimmS]

Wow, I just read the thread and I`m amazed at the 30 cars a year! If that would be the case I`m sure there`d be easier ways to get them road registered ;-)

[bamsetand]

SchimmS said:

Wow, I just read the thread and I`m amazed at the 30 cars a year! If that would be the case I`m sure there`d be easier ways to get them road registered ;-)

dear schimms thanks for your advice recently. Well i am sure you would know better then i, in the case of the 30 cars. but that was what i heard dr.strauss said. perhaps it was in total .. who cares.. i am just very Very grateful for the help from you and your friend.

what is normally the registration costs in germany?

[UltimaFAN]

Isn't there a rule in EU that if a car is first registered in one EU country, the car can be transferred to another country afterwards?

In Switzerland, we have two rules which are very usefull for those cars:
- The rules which apply are the ones which were valid at the date of importation of the vehicle. The importation of the vehicle is simply the chassis with its number, we just need the official sheet from the customs. Thus even if the build lasts 2 or 10 years, we are sure that we are not screwed during the build process due to new rules.
- Small manufacturers require limited testing. Small manufacturers are less than 100 cars per year, which is probably still the case with Ultima. Less testing means no crash test or test shock against pedestrian's mass. Intensive emissions tests, noise levels, braking, visual safety inspection for pedestrians, seat belt fixation points are still needed and it needs to be done or approved by an official laboratory; each test costs a couple thousands euro each and none are available by the Factory!

Everything needs to be discussed first with the authorities and the results really depend of the motivation of the officials.

[dandare]

bamsetand said:

hey all
i got in talk with schimms sven from http://www.ultimacars.de who knows ALOT about registration of ultima since they build about 30 a year and registrate them...
But now it is impossible to aprove a new ultima,to euro6. only LS1 can pass euro6 tuv. but it has never been used in the car yet. so it is no good.

dr. straus at ultimacars.de told me if the car has registration in germany the car can pass all other eu countries. and that is good news for all..

but he also states that from now on no new ultima will registrate. which will make the cars become very collective and expensive. and that is good news.))

Have a nice weekend all of you and thanks for all the support

I thought Euro 5 and 6 are the same for petrol cars, and not much different to Euro 4? As far as I remember only diseasel emissions had changed between Euro 4 and 5.

I understand that the LS1 is only Euro 3 compliant. I'm not sure what that means for registration in Germany or anywhere else, but LS7s must be at least Euro5, so shouldn't be a problem to register in Germany. There are a few here that got through. Maybe the rules have changed yet again?

I would look in some internet forums, and maybe give a TÜV or Dekra (competitor to TÜV) office a call. I'm sure they would know better than anyone else, and are the ones who will pass or fail your car, after all.

ETA: Have you tried the Ultima factory for some information? They probably also know something. find out all the options and costs before you spend your money.

Edited by dandare on Wednesday 18th May 07:20

[UltimaCH]

You can find all the EURO details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_st...
EURO 6 applies for all new petrol engined vehicles since September 2014.
The new LT1 is good to go but I don't think anybody has installed one for the moment...

[johnnygriff]

I've just given up on the idea of importing an Ultima into France. If a car isn't on their list of 'approved' vehicles and doesn't have a European COC, they won't register it. The only option is to submit an application to their DRIRE Department for a one off import which will involve inspection and, almost certainly, modification. I believe a few Ultimas have been imported like that but it is time consuming and potentially very expensive.
I did ask the factory but they were pretty vague, just said that if the car was first registered in the UK then registration in France should be possible. I don't think this is the case for France but would be gladly corrected on that. I'm not sure about Denmark..........

Johnny

[CTE]

Yet another case for Brexit...it is only a matter of time before the pen pushing do gooder beaurocrats in Brussels ban any form of hobby motoring in the name of environment...but we can still all use stinking public transport!