RE: Honda EV Concept for Pikes Peak
Tuesday 21st June 2016
You'll remember recently that Honda revealed the NSXs that it was sending to Pikes Peak this year, along with a teaser of the EV Concept also competing. Now there's chance for a first proper look at the car, and it's certainly a lot more exciting than the name!
Silent assassin!While clearly NSX based, this EV Concept makes the standard NSX look about as aggressive as a Jazz. The front splitter/snowplough juts out for miles beyond the bumper and the rear spoiler looks like it will be at the top of the mountain a long time before the rest of the car - it's huge! Perhaps it's not quite as bonkers as something like the iconic Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak thing, but the EV Concept certainly won't be missed this weekend.
Honda EV Concept for Pikes Peak
NSX-derived monster to tackle the proper hillclimb going on this weekend
Silent assassin!
As mentioned previously, this car uses solely electric power and an evolution of Honda's Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD) which, yes, was used in the Legend once upon a time. It's just a little more advanced now though. With separate Twin Motor Units on each axle, the EV Concept has independent torque distribution for each wheel - no torque vectoring by braking here! Apparently the experience from last year (with a CR-Z using similar tech) has allowed the team to update the system for "more precise thrust at each wheel."
The car will be driven by Tetsuya Yamano and compete in the Electric Modified Class. Place your bets now as to when an all-electric NSX road car will arrive...
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Discussion
I've probably got the loosest grasp on the technical side of cars but am I right in thinking that at Pike's Peak car's lose power the higher they go due to the change in altitude affecting the engines.
Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
tomv1to said:
I've probably got the loosest grasp on the technical side of cars but am I right in thinking that at Pike's Peak car's lose power the higher they go due to the change in altitude affecting the engines.
Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
This is exactly what I thought, with the problem they may have to offset being the weight of the motors and batteries vs engine and fuel.Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
They can carry the weight lower potentially, but this is likely to be a problem, no?
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/28/2015-pikes-peak...
Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
louiebaby said:
tomv1to said:
I've probably got the loosest grasp on the technical side of cars but am I right in thinking that at Pike's Peak car's lose power the higher they go due to the change in altitude affecting the engines.
Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
This is exactly what I thought, with the problem they may have to offset being the weight of the motors and batteries vs engine and fuel.Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
They can carry the weight lower potentially, but this is likely to be a problem, no?
Especially if they can fast-charge or hot-swap them when the car gets back to the bottom.
Wonder how long before the likes of Veilside release a kit like that... 
vz-r_dave said:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/28/2015-pikes-peak...
Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
Have you seen the gap between EVs and petrol? The Peugeot 208 that Sebastian Loeb used is nearly a minute faster than the fastest EV.Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
tomv1to said:
I've probably got the loosest grasp on the technical side of cars but am I right in thinking that at Pike's Peak car's lose power the higher they go due to the change in altitude affecting the engines.
Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
EVs are typically going to be range and cooling limited. The cooling issues at altitude might well limit performance ...Altitude isn't going to be an issue for these electric monsters is it? So they are probably going to hold all the records shortly aren't they?
havoc said:
Given the P-Peak hillclimb isn't THAT long a course (compared to a typical race or expected customer endurance from an EV roadcar), then the weight of batteries required can be reduced significantly.
er, not really.Lets say the average power output is a nice round 400kW a smidge over 530bhp (note "average" as winning will take more power than this, but you have to account for time spent braking and not at full throttle / peak power speed)
The current record is about 8min or so, so the total energy used is (ignoring losses) 71.4kWHrs. For comparison, that's pretty much the same (useable)energy as in a Tesla Model S 85D battery that weighs something like 540Kg!
Monty Python said:
vz-r_dave said:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/28/2015-pikes-peak...
Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
Have you seen the gap between EVs and petrol? The Peugeot 208 that Sebastian Loeb used is nearly a minute faster than the fastest EV.Pikes peak will not be won by Petrol (alone) power ever again!
Pikes peak has all the right ingredients to make EV's uneatable.
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