RE: Maserati Ghibli: PH Carpool

RE: Maserati Ghibli: PH Carpool

Monday 27th June 2016

Maserati Ghibli: PH Carpool

Family car goes from a Saab to a Maserati!



Name: Old Mr Bean
Car: Maserati Ghibli 2014 (petrol)
Owned since: July 2014
Previously owned: "Austin Mini, Austin Allegro (complete with square steering wheel - a brilliant car when it was not broken down!), Ford Fiesta, Ford Escort, Saab 9000 x2, Saab 9-5 Aero."


Why I bought it:
"You can see I had had three big Saabs and, as the children had left home, a smaller car was in order. However, Saab effectively went bust for the second (or third) time before the new 9-3 was launched so that was not an option. I had always loved the look of the Quattroporte but these had got bigger and bigger and were too expensive anyway.

"When I heard Maserati was developing a smaller and sportier model with a selection of turbo engines I was interested. I am a big fan of turbos, liking the combination of smaller engine economy but larger engine performance. To be quite frank the third thing was that I had just inherited some money, so a Maserati was within reach.

"Clearly the reasons are a mix of the logical and the emotional, probably more of the latter if I am honest with myself. So what alternatives did I consider? I looked at Jaguar but timescales for both the XE and new XF didn't fit. I might have gone for the new Mercedes C-Class but at the time the engine I would have wanted was not available. I had looked at an Audi A6 when choosing the Saab Aero in 2005 and ideally at that time would have wanted the Audi with the Saab Aero engine! In 2005 we did venture to the local BMW dealer (for a 5 Series) but they treated us so badly I have been put off them for life.

"Ultimately if the objective judgment is that my heart ruled my head then so be it. I have no regrets."


What I wish I'd known:
"Let's start with the 'peculiarities' of my car. Having decided upon the 330hp 'base' Ghibli (diesel too rational, 410hp much more expensive), I then had to choose optional extras. It was a no-brainer for me to have the gearshift paddles and I also wanted heated front seats. I agonised over the Skyhook variable suspension and decided against. Whether the standard suspension is much less stiff than Skyhook is not terribly easy to find out. The other option I was talked into by my youngest son was 19-inch wheel. One final (actually almost rational) extra was a space saver spare wheel.

"So what about the unexpected things that are common to all Ghiblis of my specification?

"The sales literature describes all models as having 'active cruise control'. I thought that the word 'active' implied that it would reduce the car speed to maintain a safe distance from anything in front. In fact the cruise control is a plain vanilla cruise control as I had in the Saab. I am not sure what Maserati thinks a cruise control without the word 'active' in front of it does differently from what it provides.

"There is an idiosyncrasy about all Ghiblis with heated front seats. The passenger seat goes off significantly sooner than the driver's seat. At first service the dealer established that all the Ghiblis they had did this - it was not a fault in my car. Maserati is concerned about the driver feeling too warm and falling asleep so the driver's one shuts off before the passenger one but this is configured for left-hand drive cars so all RHD cars with heated front seats have them designed to keep the front seat passenger more awake than the driver! As I am usually the driver in cold weather it is left to my wife to moan about having to switch her heated seat on too frequently!

"Finally there is seemingly no provision to adapt the (bi-xenon) headlamps for driving on the continent. Apparently if you have the tilting headlights option there is a setting to adjust their aim. The best the dealer could come up with was to set the headlamps to the maximum down position in the vertical plane, as one would for a fully loaded car.

"I am being very picky, but if people do not point these things out there is even less chance of eventual improvement."

Things I love:
"The looks, the engine sound, the driving experience and the friendly interest shown by others. I am not a great one for aesthetics but I think that its shape is a thing of beauty. Many supercars look mean. The Maserati looks beautiful.

"The engine sound is awesome. I normally drive it in sports manual mode with all four exhausts in use and, although I only occasionally take the revs up very high, the sound is still great, even at moderate volume.

"I enjoy driving it - I am almost up to 30,000 miles after two years of ownership and I am not somebody who buys a car like this just to take it out of the garage at weekends and give it a polish. Whilst it is comfortable for long distance motorway cruising I suppose that I get most pleasure accelerating out of roundabouts and away from motorway toll stations (over the Channel). I have no intention of testing the road holding to the limit but do enjoy some winding roads that I am familiar with at a safe margin.

"The ZF gearbox, both when changing manually and when left in automatic mode, is brilliant. You only have to look at the list of cars that use this gearbox to know that it cannot be bad. As it is not that common people often strike up a conversation. Most think it is much more expensive than it was, and all the attention has been friendly."


Things I hate:
"These are niggles rather than major issues but the engine takes quite a while to warm up properly - this would of course be a major fuel economy issue if you wanted to use it for short trips.

"The car has had two issues that have required a warranty repair, both during a routine service. The first was a replacement heater valve actuator. The more significant one was a replacement for the oil pressure transducer.

"To replace it the fuel injection rail has to be removed, which has seals that are strictly one-use only. The garage did not realise this until they had been removed, leaving the car stuck in the garage for several days longer than it should have been whilst a new fuel injector rail came from Italy. A courtesy car was of course provided by the dealer.

"The seats are comfortable but not as comfortable as those in the Saabs but I think that this is more a reflection of the excellent quality of Saab seats."

Costs:
"Obviously depreciation is considerable but, as I tend to keep cars for long periods, that's spread out. I used the usual car broker websites to try to get a decent discount with no success and had very limited success getting much off the list price when negotiating with the dealer.

"The insurance premium was, to my amazement, slightly less than for the Saab Aero, albeit with a £750 excess.

"What about fuel economy? I can get 30mpg on long trips and between 26mpg and 28mpg on more everyday 10- to 30-mile ones. I think Sport mode should get you slightly better fuel economy than the normal or ICE mode as having all four exhausts in use should decrease the back pressure a bit.

"I purchased a three-year servicing package with the car but am conscious that servicing will not be cheap beyond that. Servicing is every 12,500 miles or two years. The thing I am dreading replacing is the brake pads - they appear to be silly prices.

"I replaced the front tyres at 15,000 miles and the rear ones at 20,000 miles. The former was a great disappointment to me. Reading some Maserati blogs (mainly by American drivers), replacing the front tyres after this mileage (or even less) is common. The Maserati dealer said the wheel alignment is "quite aggressive to optimise handling". As each tyre costs between £150 and £200 there is an incentive to avoid burning rubber too often."


Where I've been:
"About 12,000 of the 30,000 miles have been on four trips across the Channel. Two of these were part of my mad project to drive around the coast of Europe (though not all in one go). Part one covered the French coast between the Belgian border and the Atlantic coast of Spain. The second, from which I have just returned, involved four weeks driving around the coast of Spain and Portugal - 4,500 miles in total. We almost got on the car ferry for Algeria in Algeciras by mistake but avoided leaving the European continent! I probably got more driving pleasure from the two trips to Italy. The owners of where we stayed appreciated the car though as any Italian would.

"The other European trip was again to Italy but via some friends in Germany, a spell in Austria and back via Switzerland. Driving wise the Great Dolomite Road from Cortina to Bolzano was the highlight. We will find an excuse to drive this again.

"Whilst it is of course comfortable on long journeys I probably enjoy the actual driving most on local rural roads that I know well."

What next?
"I would plan to keep this for another six to eight years, and who knows what might be available then? I will then be seriously old and we plan to move to a more urban location. Some sort of hybrid might therefore suit the bill so that the short urban trips could be made in all electric mode. We will just have to see what is available nearer the time.

"As regards modifying the car my only wish is to keep it looking as near new as possible for as long as possible!"


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Discussion

Davo456gt

Original Poster:

695 posts

149 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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how do find the space in the rear ?
I thought it would be a little cramped for my teenage girls, like the Alfa 166 I had previously.

The new Quattroporte seemed to be the opposite - I would need a CB radio to talk to my kids, there is too much space in the back :-(

Scottie - NW

1,288 posts

233 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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How does decreasing exhaust back pressure improve fuel economy?

Quite interested if this is true and even more reason for a sports exhaust on my cars that don't already have one smile

Earl of Petrol

493 posts

122 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Car envy! I love these/it/that/yours. Sat in one at Goodwood, it just felt special inside (better than the Alfa Giulia). The badge is the thing, anyone who knows anything about cars realises that this is automotive aristocracy. Great choice, and it fits with the Saabs as that was always a 'thinking persons' car, such a pity about it's demise.

Old Mr Bean

1 posts

94 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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As regards space in the back it is probably a bit less than the Saab but as the children have left home we no longer make very long journeys with more than the two of us. The central back position in the Maserati is of course not comfortable for long journeys other than for a small child.

The reduced exhaust back pressure when using four exhausts reduces the energy required to expel exhaust gasses on the exhaust stroke. Obviously the whole system is not doubled up for instance I think most of the resistance to exhaust flow is in the catalytic converter so the difference will be small.

Master Bean

3,568 posts

120 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Very comprehensive write up old bean.

sideways man

1,316 posts

137 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Fabulous car. Great write up. Much jealousy going on here.

Goodsteed

625 posts

184 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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20k to a set of rears sounds reasonable to me with 300bhp. Lovely car, good to see it getting used.

Chris944_S2

1,916 posts

223 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Great write up, a very insightful review!
The new Ghibli is on my radar as a potential replacement for my ageing W8, it would compliment my weekend car rather nicely. And then I will only need a lottery win to have the original Ghibli, perfect car trio in my books cloud9


Yacht Broker

3,158 posts

267 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Currently driving across the US in a 2016 Ghibli. Managed 3,500 miles over the past 7 days right up until today when it threw a wobbly in the Arizona canyons. A quick call to Avis and an hour later I'm behind the wheel of a Ghibli S Q4 complete with a chunk more BHP and flappy paddles should make the forthcoming California canyons more entertaining.

The old...



And the new.... (no good pics yet as have only just picked it up from Phoenix airport)



Edited by Yacht Broker on Tuesday 28th June 01:55

Yacht Broker

3,158 posts

267 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Here's a pic from the rear quarter which imho is the least 'Maserati' but is saved by the quad exhausts and trident badges.

The car looked great in dark grey with the optional 20" dark alloys. The new one in silver with 19"s arguably less so.

The dark grey car also had crema leather which looks awesome but was already looking grubby after just 4,000 miles (it was basically brand new when we picked it up from Washington DC).




BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Great write up ! So good to see a report by someone who has actually owned their car for long enough to understand and appreciate it's abilities and foibles....

Tried a diesel Ghibli the other day - I thought it was a good car, but felt too much like a German exec-barge in drag rather than a cut price Italian exotic. While I suspect that it was they were trying to achieve, I think I'd go German under those circumstances....

Truckosaurus

11,291 posts

284 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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The 'feature' with the heated seats (which would be so easy for them to have fixed) is so gloriously Italian.

famfarrow

680 posts

154 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Lovely car OP. I have to say as well that was one of the best write ups for a long time- this should be the form others should try to emulate. How many car reviews would have picked up on issues like the seater heating!

Great read. Enjoy the car!

BVB

1,102 posts

153 months

Thursday 30th June 2016
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Handsome indeed, and what an engine. That car is one to hold onto.

Master Bean

3,568 posts

120 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Can you remap the engine to give it the performance of the s model?