RE: Delta Integrale: ?15K Competition update

RE: Delta Integrale: ?15K Competition update

Wednesday 6th July 2016

Delta Integrale: £15K Competition update

PH competition winner John Crook on why his Integrale will be sticking around for a while yet



With the summer (supposedly) in full swing, John Crook has been out enjoying his Lancia Delta Integrale. If you aren't familiar with the car's history, check out the links below for the full story on John's success in the Adrian Flux competition and how he came to own his dream Lancia.

In this report John is weighing up (again!) whether the Integrale should be kept or swapped, plus his plans for the rest of the sunnier months. There's even a tale of exceptional reliability...

We'll hope to hear more from Matt Purdon and his Capri soon, but for now here's the latest on John's Lancia. Thanks once more to Adrian Flux for sponsoring the competition.


The first thing you'll notice from this update is that I still own the Integrale; you may recall I was contemplating selling late last year. As I've been told many a time though, it is a car that gets under your skin. After meeting people who have bought them for six months and still have them 10 years later, I can see how this happens! Can you believe I've owned mine for nearly three years already?

Cars really are getting bigger!
Cars really are getting bigger!
There are a number of reasons the Integrale is still sitting in my garage and why I still want to tell anyone who will listen about the rally legend I own! Here goes...

The first reason is easy - look at it! There is no modern car, and indeed very few full stop, that have the presence and theatre of an Integrale. You can genuinely get enjoyment just looking at it. There is something about these iconic rally machines for the road (I'll include the Escort Cosworth too) that others can't get anywhere near in my opinion.

The second is that I'm still unsure what I would replace it with. Would an E46 M3 be too much of a change? Would I get that sense of occasion that I do driving an Integrale? I fear not. Do I therefore try another classic legend? This is a possibility, but it would feel like starting again as the searching takes months for a rare car.

Serviced, MoT'd and in rude health
Serviced, MoT'd and in rude health
The third reason is simply that the car is still performing so well and confounding the reputation that Lancias can have. The Integrale has just been for its annual service and MOT with Keith at Auto Integrale, where it returned with a faultless report; having expected a few issues to emerge, I was told they couldn't find a single thing wrong! So I have a very rare, reliable, impeccable Integrale - there are very few of those out there. It's a car that would be almost irreplaceable should I move it on and then regret the decision (as many owners have done!).

Lastly, and I'm hesitant to admit this as it's always a contentious issue, it has unintentionally become an investment. I'm very fortunate as I wanted an Integrale because it was my dream car; as a bonus it has now become a significant savings pot to boot. This has the obvious advantages but it throws up disadvantages too. I'm not going to say I feel guilty driving the car and adding miles to it as that would be ridiculous, but it does make me think twice. I'm conscious of its value now which I wasn't as much before, and this does affect how I drive the car. I'm now the one that analyses a car park to work out the best spot to avoid scratches from others parking too close. Granted, some people do this anyway, but when I'm driving the Integrale it should be all about the experience, not concerns about parking spaces and road widths.

Iconic shape still drawing fans
Iconic shape still drawing fans
Of course the car isn't used as a daily driver; it's used sparingly, predominately as I live in London and I don't believe an Integrale should live in the city. So it is always a treat when I can take the car out down a B-road in the countryside near where it's stored. It's even a comfortable motorway cruiser - who would have thought? Although I will always choose the cross country route if I can as a couple of sweeping corners is all it takes to have a grin from ear to ear.

I have had a few trips over the summer so far that have kept me enthralled, the best of which was the journey to the Goodwood Festival of Speed. The car drove faultlessly and gave a lot of people reasons to smile as they took photos and asked questions in the inevitable traffic. The comments focused on its condition and the fact people have always wanted one!

Crossing the muddy fields into Goodwood gave me the chance to showcase the Integrale's rally heritage as well, as I got through where many FWD and RWD cars had given up! The Integrale is always kept perfectly polished but there is something that looks so right about having mud up the sills and doors of a car like this.

There's a busy summer planned!
There's a busy summer planned!
There are many more shows and motor sport events coming up in August that I will be attending in the Integrale, including a Sunday Service in September I hope. I already look forward to opening the garage to those bulging arches, opening the door to smell the 90s leather and feeling the turbo boosting on a sunny afternoon.

I honestly don't know what the future holds for me and my Integrale. Part of me still senses it's time for a change, while another can see me sitting in the tan Recaros in 10 years' time. All I can say right now is that I feel honoured to own this iconic car and won't forget how lucky I was to be in this position.


Previous updates:
It took a while but John finally found his dream Lancia
Is it living up to the hype? Hell yeah!
MoT'd and ready for a summer of fun
There's an issue... with the fuel cap
It's a Sega Rally hero made real!
Oh no! Integrale on the side of the road
Integrale now behaving itself, time to enjoy it
Is now the time for the Integrale to go?

[Additional pics: Tom Begley]

Author
Discussion

sutts

Original Poster:

900 posts

149 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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Lovely, iconic car. In rude health. Do not sell.

BlimeyCharlie

904 posts

143 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I drive a £400 car and always park so I take up two spaces in the car park at the shops, tattoo parlour etc.

Don't care that I sometimes get comments and 'looks' from the do-gooders. They don't ever offer to pay to have the numerous dents removed.

People are getting fatter, cars are getting bigger, spaces stay the same size. The outcome is dents which appear, as predictable as night following day.

Enjoy your car, but the slight paranoia you get with driving and parking is normal.

You'll know when you want to sell it, as you'll be using it less and less, and it'll become a garage queen, like my 'nice' cars always become. Then as soon as it has gone, you'll want something to replace it, and the cycle starts again!

smilo996

2,798 posts

171 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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Nice write up.

triathlonstu

274 posts

150 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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BlimeyCharlie said:
I drive a £400 car and always park so I take up two spaces in the car park at the shops, tattoo parlour etc.
Congratulations.

Mr Roper

13,012 posts

195 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I'm in the 'keep it' camp. Either way you've had the pleasure of owning a great car...Free!! Whatever you decide you're in a sweet position.


Good on you.





Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

193 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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triathlonstu said:
Congratulations.
Just couldn't resist, could you?

Omaruk

625 posts

160 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I had one from Italy in days of the Lira. Bought it with 30k kms on it and the factory plastic still on the carpets and door cards.
6 years of very spirited daily driving, it didn't miss a beat. Went through a fair few suspension bushes and ARB drop links through its epic cornering and back road capability. It always felt like an event firing it up with all the madcap gauges and the lovely whine of the balancer belt engine. The most enjoyable times were the summer 5.00am B road traverses of Wales and averaging 10mpg in a stock car. ;-)

If you can keep it, and drive the bejesus out of it, they like it.

Edited by Omaruk on Wednesday 6th July 18:14

Bayerischer

194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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Ex Boy Racer said:
triathlonstu said:
Congratulations.
Just couldn't resist, could you?
I second his sarcastic approval. I don't want my car scratched either, but I'm not prepared to act like a complete d1ldo about it. If anything parking across 2 spaces is likely to increase the possibility of damage.

bushybeaver

46 posts

213 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I absolutely love these. I always remember driving on the Southport Road which is a single carageway but wide enough to overtake with on coming cars, one of these dicked past me at full chat in the middle, sounded amazing, looked amazing, right there and then I've always wanted one. Keep it I say, you're right to be guilty putting miles on it. I would be torn aswell. I would be telling the missis it is an investment to justify it but at the same time the more you drive it the miles go up or worse you prang it. How's the interior holding up ?

QuattroDave

1,467 posts

129 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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As someone who's owned a rally legend also (UR quattro) and eventually selling it after six years ownership only to see the value of the cars pretty much double in the 18 months since I say don't sell! I've been trying to find a car to replace it ever since, even an RS6 didn't fill the void. Keep it, keeeep.

j_s14a

863 posts

179 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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Is it blasphemy to say that I don't think E46 M3's are very good cars? I'd much rather the Lancia. But either a Skyline R32 GTR or an Audi S2 / RS2 might be a nice change, while keeping some of the Integrale traits.

BricktopST205

940 posts

135 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I am pretty sure I was next to your Integrale while exiting the Goodwood festival of speed on the Sunday. I was in the red Toyota Celica ST205 GT-Four. Two group A cars side by side and yes I do agree there is something special about owning a homologation rally car smile

triathlonstu

274 posts

150 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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Bayerischer said:
Ex Boy Racer said:
triathlonstu said:
Congratulations.
Just couldn't resist, could you?
I second his sarcastic approval. I don't want my car scratched either, but I'm not prepared to act like a complete d1ldo about it. If anything parking across 2 spaces is likely to increase the possibility of damage.
I don't know why someone would want patted on the back for parking a £400 car like a t1t.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Wednesday 6th July 2016
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I love intergrales, in fact I was lusting over one at a local car show last weekend but I'd sell.

What's it gone up-£20k, more? I couldn't excuse that unfortunately as sad as it sounds, plus as much as I adore them I don't think they're worth those sums.

BricktopST205

940 posts

135 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I love intergrales, in fact I was lusting over one at a local car show last weekend but I'd sell.

What's it gone up-£20k, more? I couldn't excuse that unfortunately as sad as it sounds, plus as much as I adore them I don't think they're worth those sums.
If the Lancia is a little out of budget you can have something a bit more reasonable.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Celica-GT4-IMPORT...

After all this was the car that demolished Lancia's domination and heralded a new era of Japanese Dominance in the WRC.

Mr Tidy

22,421 posts

128 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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Please keep it OP! If you don't you'll probably never get another opportunity to have one!

Yours looks fantastic, and the colour combination is the best I have ever seen on an Integrale!

Slightly off-topic I know, but I had a Z4C I was sort of thinking of selling and replied to a post from someone looking for one on a forum. Next thing I knew he had viewed it and given me a deposit! Then I realised what I had done eek so I scoured the classifieds and found another! First one was taken away on 8 May, next one collected on 10 May! Phew!

I suppose what I am trying to say is don't even think about selling your Integrale unless you really want something else and have a clear plan!

And thank you for sharing your ownership experience with us! thumbup

Brompty

153 posts

145 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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I think I am in the minority here, but time to sell. Your car is at the top of its game: looks great, fresh MOT with no advisories and the market at its peak. Yes it could go higher, but the profit you have made makes it worthwhile.

I think as soon as you get to the stage when you no longer want to drive a car because it starts to affect its value, or may damage it then it could be time to move on. Also, there is always that chance that something expensive or difficult to get hold of goes bang.

Lovely car though and there is something truly great about the Integrale: the looks, the performance, the way it looks on the road when moving.

British Beef

2,220 posts

166 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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Brompty said:
I think I am in the minority here, but time to sell. Your car is at the top of its game: looks great, fresh MOT with no advisories and the market at its peak. Yes it could go higher, but the profit you have made makes it worthwhile.

I think as soon as you get to the stage when you no longer want to drive a car because it starts to affect its value, or may damage it then it could be time to move on. Also, there is always that chance that something expensive or difficult to get hold of goes bang.

Lovely car though and there is something truly great about the Integrale: the looks, the performance, the way it looks on the road when moving.
This is head ruling heart!!

Although I agree the market may have peaked now for values (but I have been wrong on this before!!!)

Z28DUNC

155 posts

151 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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Its a fine car, would be hard to find something else to fill the void but..... R5 Turbo 2? That might just feel as special if not more so!

Omaruk

625 posts

160 months

Thursday 7th July 2016
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Brompty said:
I think I am in the minority here, but time to sell. Your car is at the top of its game: looks great, fresh MOT with no advisories and the market at its peak. Yes it could go higher, but the profit you have made makes it worthwhile.

I think as soon as you get to the stage when you no longer want to drive a car because it starts to affect its value, or may damage it then it could be time to move on. Also, there is always that chance that something expensive or difficult to get hold of goes bang.

Lovely car though and there is something truly great about the Integrale: the looks, the performance, the way it looks on the road when moving.
If you are not going to drive it and drive it like it wants to be driven, then yes agree with the above. The fun has stopped.