RE: McLaren considers electric future

RE: McLaren considers electric future

Sunday 31st July 2016

McLaren considers electric future

Company boss says EV development starting alongside that of future hybrid models



News conferences for financial results are rarely the most thrilling of events, even for companies making cars as exciting as McLaren. Listening to lots of numbers always feels a bit like trying to browse an Excel spreadsheet, although McLaren's were mostly good. The company is still expanding - it's just taken on another 250 production staff in Woking - while 2015 was its third profitable year during which it made 1,654 cars. Turnover declined during the same period - dropping five per cent to a still-healthy £450m - largely as the end of P1 production knocked the revenue-per-car.


As soon as the formal presentation was over the assembled hack-pack surrounded CEO Mike Flewitt, not to crunch some more numbers but to get a chance to talk about new product. Although much of what he said was as we've reported it on PH before, there were some fascinating new nuggets as well.

Flewitt admitted that development of the EV mule the company is developing to gauge reaction to an electron-fuelled Macca has already started. "We're working with two or three different partners on electric motors and batteries," he said. "We'll build it into an existing architecture, it may even end up being the [Sports Series] architecture initially, maybe with a conventional suspension system, because we want to learn step-by-step."

The plan, apparently, is to initially build a single prototype, but then follow this with a limited run of what are likely to be Ultimate Series (P1 level) EVs to gauge reaction among McLaren's well-heeled clientele. "We'll evolve it into a limited run product to put out there and see how customers use the car. If you take the car out on the track, for example, even with a power dense battery you'll drain it in no time at all," explained Flewitt.


McLaren hasn't fully committed to creating a full production EV as part of its Vision 2022 plan, which will see 15 new models or variants launched in the next six years. It genuinely is a voyage of discovery for McLaren's engineering and design team; with one possible outcome being that the world isn't ready for an electric car yet.

"One of things we debate all the time in-house is the noise and vibration," Flewitt said. "With our cars we tune noise, we don't just try to obliterate it. If you've driven a 650S and a 675LT back-to-back one of the things that communicates, even at fairly low speed, is a little more vibration that comes through in the 675 from the way the engine is mounted in the car. Little things like that can be very important, but they all vanish [when you remove the engine]. From a personal perspective I don't like fakery, I want it to be authentic, so what I'd love to do is create characteristics that are equally compelling. We won't end up having a music system playing the noise of a V8 when you're driving on batteries. That would be crap."

We already know that McLaren is working on a smaller engine - we believe it will be a V6 developed from the same architecture as the existing V8 family - with Flewitt also hinting that this will only be offered in conjunction with the performance-boosting hybrid system the company has already said it's developing. "We'll continue to downsize, we've got to address emissions because markets are putting ever more pressure on us," he admitted. "We would design something with the capability to integrate hybrid in an efficient way, rather than being bolt-on - it's integrated from day one. That's the focus."

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MikeGoodwin

Original Poster:

3,338 posts

117 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Oh god no. The industry is fked.

renrut

1,478 posts

205 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Seems like a sensible considered position for a car manufacturer. I do like the straight 'No' to synthesized noises, the less of that rubbish the better.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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The Tesla effect smile

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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How about an electric MX5 McLaren? hehe

Funkstar De Luxe

788 posts

183 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I would guess that customer/technology/volume wise, McLaren are likely in a good position to pull this off. No one romanticizes their 3.8(?) engines, and there's no real heritage of this new company that they need to tow the line with. Yeah, I could see this happening.


renrut

1,478 posts

205 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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k-ink said:
How about an electric MX5 McLaren? hehe
That doesn't sound too daft to me. As a second toy car it doesn't matter if it runs out of puff after 200 miles and keeps it's running costs cheap enough that it's not so extravagant. The shame is that the battery will cost circa £10k meaning the car would probably start at £30k even if heavily subsidised or they sold shed loads.

Snubs

1,172 posts

139 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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"From a personal perspective I don't like fakery, I want it to be authentic, so what I'd love to do is create characteristics that are equally compelling."

Perhaps pass an increasing current through control surfaces the closer your foot is to the floor? Surely that would provide the authenticity required?

SirSquidalot

4,041 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Would be very interesting to see what they can do with an EV. Weight will be the biggest issue.

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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renrut said:
k-ink said:
How about an electric MX5 McLaren? hehe
That doesn't sound too daft to me.
If they sell it as a toy it does get around the range issue. So it could be sold with no roof, no doors, no heater, next to nothing. Just something sexy and fun for the summer. Along the lines of these perhaps...








Mike_C

984 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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"...with one possible outcome being that the world isn't ready for an electric car yet."

Err, I think Tesla have proved that the world is ready for EV's, having sold over 100,000 Model S' worldwide in 3 years of production...! If they put a carbon fibre, two-seat supercar body on it and improved the chassis dynamics (namely via weight reduction and improved suspension/steering) they would have a supercar out the box, but that isn't their mission.

As for an EV supercar, McLaren are perfectly suited to launch such a vehicle - as someone else said, they don't have the heritage to worry about that could create a backlash amongst purists and fans, they have always been driven by technology...

rampageturke

2,622 posts

162 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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MikeGoodwin said:
Oh god no. The industry is fked.
step aside grandpa and let the future take its course

suffolk009

5,387 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Sadly, it's the future.

I'm really beginning to understand how my late father felt about the internet: Confusion and worry.

I guess I'm now at the age where I've stopped progressing and adopting new stuff. I don't listen to new music. I'm not terribly fond of fashion. I don't facebook/Instagram/snapchat. And I prefer my sportscars to be of original 60s and 70s vintage.

I suppose it's a pipe and slippers for me now.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”


― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt

suffolk009

5,387 posts

165 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Flooble said:
“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”


? Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt
He really was a genius. (I remember Hitch-hikers on telly, when I was kid, back when there were only three channels to watch)

mwstewart

7,600 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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The end of fun has begun.

Toltec

7,159 posts

223 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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suffolk009 said:
He really was a genius. (I remember Hitch-hikers on telly, when I was kid, back when there were only three channels to watch)
Fool, the radio series is the one true source, next you'll say you liked the film!

biggrin

Evolved

3,565 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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suffolk009 said:
Sadly, it's the future.

I'm really beginning to understand how my late father felt about the internet: Confusion and worry.

And look how well that's panned out, the world would be a different place and wouldn't function without it now. Just because someone doesn't understand something, doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

I look forward to seeing how the tech pans out over time, whether EV's are the future is yet to be seen but given the advancements already made and the way tech in general is now so well integrated into everyday life, it does seem the next natural step.

For us petrol heads, we may need to stockpile the good old IC engines while we can.

Black_S3

2,669 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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MikeGoodwin said:
Oh god no. The industry is fked.
That's what this guy says as well


sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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rampageturke said:
MikeGoodwin said:
Oh god no. The industry is fked.
step aside grandpa and let the future take its course
laugh

shalmaneser

5,932 posts

195 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I did think if this when I read the headline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AssSdA77GMU

This is the way things are going like it or not!