RE: Civic Type R to the Nurburgring: PH Blog

RE: Civic Type R to the Nurburgring: PH Blog

Tuesday 9th August 2016

Civic Type R to the Nurburgring: PH Blog

So what's it like to drive one of the fastest FWD cars at the 'ring? Road trip time!



While its glory as front-wheel drive Nurburgring record holder has been usurped (and there remains some debate about its validity in the first instance), the prospect of driving a Civic Type R around the Nurburgring remained very exciting. That it was part of a birthday celebration weekend for a friend made it all the more so.

Don't forget the local roads are ace too!
Don't forget the local roads are ace too!
See, despite the ongoing discussion about how the Civic looks and how its four-wheel drive rivals are more relevant, it is a fantastic car on a circuit. I really like it. So what better track to further prove the point?

Hands up, my laps over the weekend (including the one on video) were nowhere close to 7:50. Or 9:50 probably, given the traffic. But, frankly, the place still scares me a fair bit and it was so busy in places that you wouldn't have been able to push anything too hard. And I had to drive the car home too.

But it remains such a privilege to drive the Nordschleife: snaking through the Hatzenbach section, charging down the Foxhole and dropping into the Karussell are just so much fun. Moreover, there was sufficient opportunity - despite the traffic - to explore what I like so much about the car a bit further.

Even on such a big circuit, the Civic still feel really quick. It never feels overawed, pulling hard even at challenging sections like the run out of Bergwerk. The brakes are super strong and very confidence inspiring, feeling fantastic on the big stop into Aremberg. And the gearbox. Well, enough has been said about that already, but having such a precise and satisfying action is a real pleasure on track.

Worth the museum entry fee on its own
Worth the museum entry fee on its own
I tried a couple of laps in +R mode too; how could I not after Honda made such a fuss about the Nurburgring developed setting? The suspension does initially feel too stiff but, against expectations, it doesn't deflect or unsettle the car at all. Instead you get greater control, which isn't what I first thought would happen. Having selected it I never thought to turn it off again. Until the drive home.

So while I may not have set any lap records (or indeed used all the laps I paid for), it was another handy experience where I learnt more about the car and the track. It seems the Civic is popular with 'ring goers as well. Essentially, you need to get to the Nurburgring if you haven't been. Yes, tourist days can be pretty chaotic (the Saturday evening session was cancelled entirely, and the Sunday started late), but the atmosphere can not be matched. It's a heartening place to visit as well, the car park featuring some glorious stuff that you may have assumed was holed up in a collection. If you're worried that car enthusiasts are a dying breed, the queue to get onto the Nordschleife will put you right!

It's less than five hours from Calais, accommodation is reasonable (try the Berghotel Hohe Acht) and steak on a stone at the Pistenklause is delicious. There's even a museum with more cars in. Get yourself there, get a couple of laps in (carefully) and learn about why the Nurburgring is such a fabulous place. I can't wait to get back.

Watch the lap here.
 



[Lead image: Will Beaumont, via Twitter]

 

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giveablondeabone

Original Poster:

5,494 posts

155 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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Traffic must be frustrating, especially when you can smell the fear of something more exotic/faster eh? I guess some people are prepared to push harder through slow traffic and other are a little more cautious like yourself. All in all the CTR seems quick purely in accelerative terms.
Looking forward to a couple more years worth of depreciation on these.
Nice vid

Jimbo

nickfrog

21,088 posts

217 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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article said:
It's a heartening place to visit as well, the car park featuring some glorious stuff that you may have assumed was holed up in a collection. If you're worried that car enthusiasts are a dying breed, the queue to get onto the Nordschleife will put you right!
I totally agree. The place is such a breath of fresh air compared to the usual PH bores who criticise everything (turbos are shyte, too heavy for track use, etc etc).

People there are humble and genuine driving enthusiasts irrespective of car, there is zero snobbery and people are quite clearly united by a common and genuine passion for tracking what they can afford on a circuit that remains a mythical place IMO.

Having said that, TF traffic/closures can be a pain and still carries the third party liability risk. I have switched to DN and I am not sure I'll do much TF in future apart maybe from the off-peak evening.

RSmith1992FK2

30 posts

92 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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I've had my FK2 for a couple of week now and instantly fell in love with it, it's the 4th car I've owned in 5 years of driving but I feel like this is the "one" compared to what I've owned before, absolutely love it!

RossP

2,523 posts

283 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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Matt, what did you do regarding insurance on the track?

fistenburger

265 posts

190 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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I was there this last weekend too! The traffic was mental on Sunday.
Because of the lack of 3rd party insurance cover I now rent a car to drive in the public sessions. Rent4Ring's Suzuki Swifts are great tools for learning the track in, plus the insurance allows you to get out and play in traffic with a clear conscience.
I think you might have overtaken me at one point (more power in the Civic obviously !!)

acme

2,971 posts

198 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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RSmith1992FK2 said:
I've had my FK2 for a couple of week now and instantly fell in love with it, it's the 4th car I've owned in 5 years of driving but I feel like this is the "one" compared to what I've owned before, absolutely love it!
Do tell us what you love about it? These seem to be getting a lot of love on PH. I had a really good look at the white one on the Honda stand at the FoS. I shouldn't like it, it's not really my kind of thing, nor aimed at my age group I'd have thought, but thought it looked superb! And those seats & gear stick, I could buy one on those alone, & that was at a stand still!

Had a good look round the FRS too, so dull! Though not driven either.....

RSmith1992FK2

30 posts

92 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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acme said:
RSmith1992FK2 said:
I've had my FK2 for a couple of week now and instantly fell in love with it, it's the 4th car I've owned in 5 years of driving but I feel like this is the "one" compared to what I've owned before, absolutely love it!
Do tell us what you love about it? These seem to be getting a lot of love on PH. I had a really good look at the white one on the Honda stand at the FoS. I shouldn't like it, it's not really my kind of thing, nor aimed at my age group I'd have thought, but thought it looked superb! And those seats & gear stick, I could buy one on those alone, & that was at a stand still!

Had a good look round the FRS too, so dull! Though not driven either.....
It could simply be that this is my first PROPER performance car that I love it so much, but it just feels brilliant to drive. Coincidentally my previous car was a GT86 (FRS) and compared to the FK2 the 86 is absolutely rubbish! I was so happy to see the back of the 86!

The ride feels firm and smooth, the power delivery is brutal, it hugs the corners even better than what my 86 used to, the interior cabin is a lovely place to be, with a great electronic display which shows lap times, boost pressures, oil pressures etc, and the seats are incredibly comfy. It's really practical too, theres plenty of room in the back seats and in the boot, and it doesn't seem too bad on fuel. I've noticed complaints about the engine not sounding great but I think it's nice enough for a daily driver, the waste gate chatter sounds brilliant too. It's also quite economical so far, I'm averaging 29.7 MPG and that's with normal driving and enthusiastic driving!

Like I say, this is my first proper performance car and the first turbo car I've owned, so for someone who has experience in these kind of car then it might not really appeal to them, but let's be honest, 306 BHP and 0-60 in 5.5 seconds isn't something which should be ignored!

Also the styling isn't to everyone's taste, I'm 24 and I personally think it looks great, and I think the styling will still look good in 10-15 years time, as does the styling of the older Mitsubishi Evos, R34 skyline, it's styled similar to those cars and they still look nice 10 years on.

Hackney

6,828 posts

208 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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Test drive booked for Thursday, a couple of hours after driving a Focus RS.
Looking forward to Thursday.

Couple of things to put out there though.
1. Focus has a 12 month wait, longer if you want a blue one
2. No second hand ones as people are holding onto them (according to the salesman)
3. Type R available September
4. I read yesterday that Honda are working on a quicker, more powerful, more .... well, sensible looking for a bloke in his 40's replacement and will exhibit later this year
5. The Civic looks like it's running spacesavers on the rear, no matter what angle you look at it

RSmith1992FK2

30 posts

92 months

Tuesday 9th August 2016
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The FK2 is limited to 2500 units in the UK and production will end early next year to make way for the new Civic Type R

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 11th August 2016
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RossP said:
Matt, what did you do regarding insurance on the track?
Hi Ross,

We have a Haymarket policy that covers us fortunately. However, the excess is rather a lot so there's still some trepidation! If the trip was using my own car, there are a few companies that will cover you but it is quite pricey. I think it would work out better value to rent a car, as others have mentioned here. Or you go without 'ring insurance, but that's the riskiest strategy!


Matt