RE: Skoda Octavia vRS 230 Estate: PH Fleet

RE: Skoda Octavia vRS 230 Estate: PH Fleet

Thursday 25th August 2016

Skoda Octavia vRS 230 Estate: PH Fleet

Domestic chores and track days - back to business as usual for the PH Octavia vRS!



The more I use the Skoda, the more I've come to rely on it - and enjoy it. There are other cars that'll match or surpass its performance and engagement. But the Octavia's practicality remains an absolute trump card.

Should this mode be doing more? James thinks so
Should this mode be doing more? James thinks so
In the past few weeks alone it's swallowed 3m lengths of wood for a garden project and the roof rails readily accommodated a large piece of furniture. It's so useful I've actually got complacent, thinking all cars will swallow as much stuff. Anyone who saw me trying to pack an Octavia's worth of kit into a Golf after our recent PH VW Golf GTI Open day will know how that can trip a man up...

Enough load lugging though - this is PH and I need to talk about more exciting stuff! As previously discussed I can't help thinking the VAQ 'diff' that sets the 230 apart from the regular vRS doesn't seem to have as much impact as I'd hoped. Previous experience in other VW products suggested a much more convincing impression of a conventional locking differential and Skoda confirmed the hardware is the same, meaning it must be down to calibration. Or is it the Octavia's longer wheelbase? To the race track!

Specifically a return visit to Donington, once again courtesy of Bookatrack and once again the Skoda looking a little out of place among race cars and track day specials. But it had company this time in the form of the SEAT Leon ST Cupra that so enthralled Dan on the same day. The wet conditions were certainly ideal for putting my theory to the test and I'll be reporting back on this in more detail soon.

At Donington, AKA the Skoda's second home
At Donington, AKA the Skoda's second home
To offer a taste though I started in the SEAT and you could tell a difference before even exiting the pits. In the Skoda you have a choice of Eco, Normal and Sport modes for the VAQ but SEAT has its own Cupra mode over and above these. And within just a few corners the influence was obvious, understeer successfully neutralised with the front axle hooking up and pulling the nose to the apex under power.

Which left me frustrated. After all, what's the point of offering variable modes on the Skoda's front axle when even the most aggressive setting doesn't seem to do much? If the hardware is the same surely you could tweak the settings and keep this as a 'track only' mode, accepting you might get the odd tug at the wheel like you would with a mechanical diff. But let's look to the positive. If it is a 'mapping' issue hopefully somebody in the aftermarket will crack the codes and offer more aggressive VAQ settings for those who want them. I reckon it would be more effective than the more obvious temptation of more power.

Back in the real world the Octavia's heavy workload is beginning to show, although the most obvious symptom actually showed after a 10-day lay-up in the car park. So flat was the battery it wouldn't even unlock. No problem, I thought, I'll use the emergency key, open the bonnet and jump it. Only you can't access the bonnet release with the passenger door closed and the battery was so flat it wouldn't unlock. And there's no emergency keyhole on the passenger door of right-hand drive cars. We had a problem even Skoda couldn't solve, so I called the AA.

Thanks for your help Paul!
Thanks for your help Paul!
Cue further head scratching, calls to their internal helpline and no solution. Incredible when you consider how many cars there are on the road based on the same MQB platform and which could have, potentially, the same issue.

Eventually our AA man Paul came up with a plan - by using his ECU reader to power the 12V system we had just enough power to unlock the car, open the passenger door, access the bonnet release and jump it. The cause of the flattened battery is still a mystery and apart from a few sporadic warnings about seemingly unrelated system faults the car has worked as usual since. Probably worth checking out though, especially as I've got a continental road trip planned as a last hurrah before the Octavia returns to Skoda.

 


FACT SHEET
Car
: 2016 Skoda Octavia vRS 230 Estate
Run by: James
On fleet since: April 2016
Mileage: 10,450
List price new: £29,910 (Basic list of £27,800 plus £550 for tow bar, £765 for Adaptive Cruise Control, Crew Protection Assist for £150, Heated seats for £200, Simply Clever package for £85 and Meteor Grey paint for £360)
Last month at a glance: Diff explorations, DIY and a flat battery

Previous reports
Yes, really, a grey Skoda estate on the PH Fleet
Practical family estate into track car does go!
Two trips to Le Mans down, another one to go...
Octavia gets down to some hard graft





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Discussion

MajorMantra

Original Poster:

1,291 posts

112 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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So is the bonnet release in the passenger-side door jamb then? Seems like quite a major oversight!

Markytop

633 posts

219 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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It's just an item missed from the RHD conversion, I have a LHD Octavia vRS and it all works fine as the bonnet opener and manual door entry are all on the driver's door.

Does look like an oversight on the UK models though.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I like these, it seems to go well and it looks smart too - but that is a fairly impressive oversight by Skoda, hehe

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

195 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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James, bit off topic, is that an Orange Four Mtb on the back? Looks very nice, how do you rate it?

kambites

67,547 posts

221 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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rofl That bonnet release design is hilariously bad. smile

James Drake

2,670 posts

117 months

PH TEAM

Thursday 25th August 2016
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JohnGoodridge said:
James, bit off topic, is that an Orange Four Mtb on the back? Looks very nice, how do you rate it?
Hi John, good spot! It certainly is an Orange Four and it is ace. As it happens we've recently got it as a long term loan from Orange - I'll be writing about it over in the pedal power forum and it will be in attendance at the trail centre social rides we're organising - you'd be welcome to have a go if you can make it along!

Anyway, back to the car... Yep it seems that the emergency lock shouldn't have been moved across to the driver's side on RHD cars (or there should be one on both doors!)

JD

Mav83

2 posts

165 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I was interested in ordering this model but my dealer has informed me that the 230 has been discontinued. One dealer cited poor sales and the other a face lift due next year. Seems a shame as it offers a decent package. It has disappeared from the configuration page on the Skoda website.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
I like these, it seems to go well and it looks smart too - but that is a fairly impressive oversight by Skoda, hehe
Before hammering Skoda too hard it'd appear to be a common issue across all MQB cars and an issue inherited from the VW mothership. Either way, thanks to Paul the AA man we now know a fix if it happens to anyone else!

Cheers,

Dan

Roono

43 posts

159 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Not sure where my first post went? Having a MK3 Octy this interests me.

The photo shows that the cover has been removed from the drivers door handle. So does it have a 'emergency key hole'?
If not how did Mr AA open the drivers door?
If the key hole is there and the door was opened with the key, why can't the passenger door be opened internally with the door pull and then the bonnet release then accessed?

From the photo it looks like Mr AA opened the drivers door via key lock then powered the car via the OBD2 connector.

Cheers

Roono

43 posts

159 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Ah I found my first comment, it seems to be in another RE: Skoda Octavia vRS 230 Estate: PH Fleet post all on it's own?




I've a non-vRS MK3 Octy.

I was not sure, so the drivers door has the emergency key hole? If so can't you use the internal handle to open the passenger door? Seems dangerous that your cannot open the door internally in a no power situation? - accident situation for example.

Regarding the diff, I expect there is a setting for 'strength' that can be altered by the great 'VCDS' software. The electronic 'XDS' diff on the Fabia certainly has 3 levels.
The Superb has 'interesting' throttle settings - you can change from 'Skoda' to 'Audi'!

Can't be having that Skoda feeling like a VW or Audi, lets us 'map-in' some mush wink

James Drake

2,670 posts

117 months

PH TEAM

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Roono said:
Not sure where my first post went? Having a MK3 Octy this interests me.

The photo shows that the cover has been removed from the drivers door handle. So does it have a 'emergency key hole'?
If not how did Mr AA open the drivers door?
If the key hole is there and the door was opened with the key, why can't the passenger door be opened internally with the door pull and then the bonnet release then accessed?

From the photo it looks like Mr AA opened the drivers door via key lock then powered the car via the OBD2 connector.

Cheers
In answer to this, I was able to open the drivers side door by removing the cover and using the emergency lock, as see in the photo. However, the battery was so flat the the internal door handle on the passenger side wouldn't unlock the door; after all, the door handle only activates a switch (like the internal unlock button in front of the gear lever)

So, with the driver's door open the AA man was able to power up the car enough (via the OBD2 port) for us to be able to unlock the other doors, pop the bonnet and jump the car.

In summary, if this happened to anyone at home you wouldn't be able to get the car started without access to an OBD2 reader - but could all be avoided if the passenger side door had an emergency / mechanical lock on it.

As Dan says, it seems like this is inherited from the Volkswagen mothership and common across all cars that share the platform.

JD

Roono

43 posts

159 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Thanks for clearing that up.
I just assumed the door pull had a wire connnecting it to a mechanical linkage in the door lock as per the Mk1 and all other cars I have seen.

Is this not a major safety concern? In an accident (certainly involving water) the passenger could not open the door and escape (i guess the drivers door pull also operates a switch not mech linkage).

This sounds absolutely dangerous, all the door pulls just operate electronic switches? How has this passed VOSA.

It's been hot today, maybe I am still missing something?

MustardCutter

238 posts

120 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Flat battery after only 10 days on a relatively new car? That's not acceptable in my book. Not to mention the faff to get it started again! Maybe I've been spoiled by owning mainly Japanese cars...

GTEYE

2,094 posts

210 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Dan Trent said:
FN2TypeR said:
I like these, it seems to go well and it looks smart too - but that is a fairly impressive oversight by Skoda, hehe
Before hammering Skoda too hard it'd appear to be a common issue across all MQB cars and an issue inherited from the VW mothership. Either way, thanks to Paul the AA man we now know a fix if it happens to anyone else!

Cheers,

Dan
But interestingly, the bonnet release on a RHD MQB Audi A3 is on the driver's side, so its not all of the MQB cars...

James Drake

2,670 posts

117 months

PH TEAM

Thursday 25th August 2016
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GTEYE said:
But interestingly, the bonnet release on a RHD MQB Audi A3 is on the driver's side, so its not all of the MQB cars...
Now that is interesting! Which engine does your car have?

JD

JackReacher

2,126 posts

215 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Our Leon has it on the passenger side as well, must be one of the cost saving measures on the 'cheaper' VAG brands. Other ones I've noticed are lack of gas bonnet struts, proper handbrake, jet washer jets rather than the fan ones.

lord trumpton

7,381 posts

126 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I bought a vrs230 on the back of seeing the PH reviews and I'm delighted with it. A great daily car for the family man with enough shove to have a blast when situation and conditions allow.

It's true that they have been discontinued now - I'm glad I snaffled one up when I had chance

Mr E

21,614 posts

259 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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So if the doors are locked at 70mph, and you have a shunt that destroys the electrics in some manner - how does one get out?

normalbloke

7,443 posts

219 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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I suspect it was the deadlock that foiled opening the passenger door, not the lack of cable, but who knows! I'd be very surprised if it really is just an electrical connection between the inner handle and the door latch.


Edited by normalbloke on Thursday 25th August 20:35

Roono

43 posts

159 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Mr E said:
So if the doors are locked at 70mph, and you have a shunt that destroys the electrics in some manner - how does one get out?
Yeah, I am worried about being stuck if there is a fire or end up in water!
Great - I bought the family a mobile tomb frown

Off to eBay to look for one of those seatbelt cutters and glass breaker devices.