RE: JCW rises to the Challenge: PH Blog

RE: JCW rises to the Challenge: PH Blog

Monday 5th September 2016

JCW rises to the Challenge: PH Blog

Can the Mini JCW Challenge prove it's not just for estate agents?



If you read any of my PH Fleet reports on Mini's latest JCW last year, you'll know it was a frustrating experience. Beyond the challenging looks, the motor was strong, the brakes were powerful and the interior was a lovely place to spend time in; but the steering lacked feedback, it wasn't very agile and it never displayed that infectious and utterly bemusing ability to carry speed around corners that should be the foundation of every hot Mini. The manual I eventually got to try was a step in the right direction but still lacked fizz.

Danny's JCW auto left something desired...
Danny's JCW auto left something desired...
I signed off my eight months behind the wheel by suggesting that a more focused version, with a few mods - such as stickier tyres and styling based on the Challenge car - "would get pulses racing". Well guess what? That's pretty much exactly what Mini has done with the new Mini John Cooper Works Challenge.

Now, Mini has done a clever thing with this limited edition model. For starters it has leveraged the knowledge, experience and marketing appeal of its Challenge race series by collaborating with official component suppliers on all the car's main upgrades. So that's Nitron for suspension, Quaife for the limited-slip differential, Team Dynamics for the lightweight Pro Race wheels and Michelin for the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres.

Then, and this is where the real genius lies, it invited some journalists from a certain motoring magazine to help set up the car. Most manufacturers would consider this insanity. Can you imagine an engineering department having to play second fiddle to some hack when there are millions riding on the commercial success of a product? Bit different for a limited edition niche special though. And what better way to guarantee critical approval than to let the very people who will review the car have a hand in developing it?

...hopefully delivered on by the Challenge!
...hopefully delivered on by the Challenge!
So, did they do a good job? Absolutely. The Challenge is a hoot. To begin with, it has more visual presence than the standard car. The lowered stance really helps, as does the more aggressive camber, and what hot hatch isn't improved by the addition of Team Dynamics Pro Race wheels? OK, it's still no oil painting, but it has purpose, just like a race car. And race cars don't need to be pretty to look good.

Secondly, and more importantly, the dynamics are transformed. It's sharp, it's pointy, it's adjustable and it's rewarding... no, make that properly entertaining to drive. I only got to try it in the wet at Donington, but in these conditions it wanted to go sideways absolutely everywhere. Sounds sketchy, but that mobility can really be used to your advantage on track. With a bit of practice, you can get it rotated on the brakes and four-wheel drift past the apex with the wheel straight and the power on. Just like you see classic Minis doing at the Goodwood Revival.

Let's be clear though, it's not perfect. The steering still isn't too communicative and doesn't wake up until you've got a few degrees of lock on, and the differential really tugs at the wheel as you exit corners, so it feels like a right handful at times. Subtly metering the power is made harder by the throttle map, the gearing seems a bit long and there's a bit of sponginess to the pedals that shatters the race car fantasy when heel and toeing. All told though Mini's gamble has paid off, and the JCW Challenge proves giving the people who'll champion such cars a stake in setting them up can unlock potential we always hoped was there.

Danny

A lap of Donington in the JCW Challenge

 

Thanks to Bookatrack

[Photos: Sim Mainey/Danny Milner]

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Discussion

J-P

Original Poster:

4,350 posts

206 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Saw that video at the weekend - car looks like it will be a blast - can't wait for mine!

Goatex

164 posts

147 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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The tyres make a huge difference on a Mini - the OH picked up a Cooper S a couple of weeks ago and it had run flats on 17" wheels - just swapped them all for Pilot Supersports and it has hugely improved the car. Better ride, quieter and much for confidence inspiring handling.
Most of the JCWs seem to have the 18" upgrade with brings runflats with them.

arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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I was following this on that certain magazine that had a hand in this car's development...

The 4 pot actually sounds quite good in that video, certainly better than the tuneless din you get with the M4. How much it is?

Dr Interceptor

7,782 posts

196 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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If only they'd at least fitted it with visual boost... That tiny orange screen in the hole where the speedo used to be would annoy me for ever.

Löyly

17,996 posts

159 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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I always wondered if they were trying to sabotage the launch of the car when they sent PH an automatic...

J-P

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4,350 posts

206 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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arkenphel said:
How much is it?
£32k - so not exactly cheap.

arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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J-P said:
£32k - so not exactly cheap.
Ouch. I guess you could do it for cheaper etc etc but doesn't come with the Mini warranty...

nunpuncher

3,383 posts

125 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Seems like this doesn't leave too much room for the next JCW GP.

Dr Interceptor

7,782 posts

196 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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nunpuncher said:
Seems like this doesn't leave too much room for the next JCW Gp.
Still leaves a lot of room IMO... That 2-litre lump is good for a few more ponies wink

Jordan210

4,519 posts

183 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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nunpuncher said:
Seems like this doesn't leave too much room for the next JCW GP.
They haven't added any power. So more BHP to come for the GP3 in 3 years times

clowesy

293 posts

121 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Sounds superb for a 4 pot turbo. Is that noise real?

Dr Interceptor

7,782 posts

196 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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clowesy said:
Sounds superb for a 4 pot turbo. Is that noise real?
Yup, they are rather fruity sounding.

JCWbeast

893 posts

94 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Dr Interceptor said:
Yup, they are rather fruity sounding.
definitely real, got the same exhaust fitted to my 'standard' JCW, absolutely makes the car when you open up the bypass valve..... as far as I know, engine on the Challenge is otherwise stock 230bhp

JCWbeast

893 posts

94 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Goatex said:
The tyres make a huge difference on a Mini - the OH picked up a Cooper S a couple of weeks ago and it had run flats on 17" wheels - just swapped them all for Pilot Supersports and it has hugely improved the car. Better ride, quieter and much for confidence inspiring handling.
Most of the JCWs seem to have the 18" upgrade with brings runflats with them.
Run mine on 17" with p-zero's, deliberately didn't go with 18's and run flats for that reason. Its an absolute hoot on the twisties believe me. Why they ever gave them to the press with 18's and an auto box silly

lord trumpton

7,389 posts

126 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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I like the look and sound of that! Great video too.

big_rob_sydney

3,402 posts

194 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Just what we need. A bunch of real estate agents ripping around getting sideways at every opportunity, rotating on its axis at roundabouts, and continuing to rotate through the hedges on the other side.

If only Darwin was so lucky...

J-P

Original Poster:

4,350 posts

206 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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arkenphel said:
J-P said:
£32k - so not exactly cheap.
Ouch. I guess you could do it for cheaper etc etc but doesn't come with the Mini warranty...
True - I still think it's good value though and it does sound very fruity cloud9

novus

222 posts

160 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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In relation to the comment in the review on the handling , I have a quaife LSD and also KW coilovers fitted to my none challenge JCW and don't find it tugs on corner exits at all and in no way makes the car feel a handful

If anything it's almost impossible to tell they are fitted other than at greater cornering speeds than you could do in a standard car the gentle pull you feel as its pulls you round the corner in an Undramatic purposeful fashion

SimNugget

580 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th September 2016
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The Challenge is a hoot.

Works for me...I'm sold.

S

Niffty951

2,333 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th September 2016
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It's good to hear but sad how far our hopes and dreams have fallen since the release of the first generation Cooper S cars.

That was not a limited run special edition but just a regular mass produced model that handled with the kind of uncompromised dedication to handling feel that you are discussing in this article.

I suspect even that driven back to back the standard early Cooper S would be the more satisfying drive of the two.

Plus it isn't the size of a people carrier.