RE: New Megane Renault Sport spy pics

RE: New Megane Renault Sport spy pics

Monday 5th September 2016

New Megane Renault Sport spy pics

Next hot Megane sports wide arches, big brakes ... and five doors



Black armbands to mourn the passing of the much-loved third-gen Megane Renaultsport are pretty much still in place in the PH office. But with these spy shots we have our first real taste of the car that will succeed it. Given we weren't exactly blown away by our drive in the 'engineered by Renault Sport' GT version of the new Megane is the news looking any better?


Well, those who think real hot hatches can't have five doors had best be ready for their first disappointment - the new one will be five-door only. This follows the pattern of both wider industry trends and the Clio, which went from three- to five-door in the switch to its current generation.

One influence from that change many will be hoping won't be carried across is the dual-clutch only transmission choice. In the case of the Clio Renault has remained steadfast and says it's what the market wants and has helped attract new buyers to the Renault Sport fold. The more traditional fans who've loved the uncompromising spirit of earlier hot Clios and Meganes have begged to differ. Will VW's 'manual only' policy for its hardcore 'ring record Golf GTI Clubsport S be enough to convince Renault there's still demand among enthusiasts for a stick shift? Or will the rise of the dual-clutch only mega hatches from AMG and Audi's RS division convince them the vast majority of buyers don't really care?

We will have to see. And hope.


In the meantime there ARE some reasons to be cheerful from what we can see on this test mule. The wheels look a bit like the Speedline Turinis offered as an option on the previous Trophy-R but are 10-spoke items rather than the 11 of the Speedlines. Either way they look ace, filling out the arches and offering a good view of some pretty serious looking brakes on the front axle. Let's hope both make the production car!

Talking of the arches the test mule has some stuck-on extensions, suggesting at the least some bigger tyres or possibly broader track. Renault Sport has form here, not to mention developing dedicated suspension parts like the torquesteer reducing PerfoHub offset front struts on the previous car. On the Clio III the body was widened to accommodate the extra track, making it too broad to fit down the regular production line. An expensive solution - for the production version of this new Megane it'd be easy enough to add wider front wings but you'd anticipate the rears to be more integrated versions of the mule's stick-on items. Howsoever achieved the broader shoulders, bigger wheels and lower ride height certainly work wonders on the new Megane's proportions and, together with the 275-style centre exhaust, should mean it stands out from the rest of the range.


It'll be interesting to see what tech Renault Sport employs to deliver that trademark agility too. The Civic Type R uses a helical limited-slip diff like that fitted to the previous Megane while the Golf-related VW group products have their VAQ torque shuffling system. Meanwhile Peugeot uses a 'softer' Torsen diff on its 308 GTI. But the Megane GT has four-wheel steering, a USP at this price point and, possibly, the chosen technology to dial out understeer and give the new Renault Sport version a more controllable form of the previous car's steer-from-the-rear balance. Enough to take on the all-wheel drive Focus RS though? We'll have to see.

Whatever's been settled technically it'd seem from the lack of disguise Renault Sport has made its decisions and is well on the road to perfecting the dynamic set-up ahead of a launch next year. We'll have to hope it goes as well as it looks.

 

 

[Photos: S. Baldauf/SB-Medien]

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DJM7691

Original Poster:

426 posts

110 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Argh, 5 door only!

I know that the majority of hot hatches at this market segment are 5 door but I really can't understand why Renault and others continue to ignore a customer group like this.

I sit quite far back and low in my car and can't stand how the B-pillar completes blocks any view out of the side of the car in any 5 door hatchback. Megane RS, Civic type R, Focus RS, all cars I could be interested in if they sold a 3 door. Really leaves only a Golf and a Leon that I could be interested in.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

151 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Those paddle shifts on the wheel in the pics?

Vee12V

1,335 posts

161 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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I can only hope they don't cock it up like they did with the Clio.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Hopefully it drives better than it looks because that is ste imo.

MikeGoodwin

3,345 posts

118 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Autocar (yes yes I know) Rekon optional EDC and 4wheel steer with 300hp.

So glad I bought a Megane 3 RS.

GTEYE

2,099 posts

211 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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DJM7691 said:
Argh, 5 door only!

I know that the majority of hot hatches at this market segment are 5 door but I really can't understand why Renault and others continue to ignore a customer group like this.

I sit quite far back and low in my car and can't stand how the B-pillar completes blocks any view out of the side of the car in any 5 door hatchback. Megane RS, Civic type R, Focus RS, all cars I could be interested in if they sold a 3 door. Really leaves only a Golf and a Leon that I could be interested in.
But when you look at Golf R's on the road, how many of them are 3 doors - maybe 1 in 20 - who knows, but very few.

So you can hardly blame Renault and others for not bothering.

addz86

1,439 posts

187 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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5 door only.... Yawn don't care anymore.

cib24

1,118 posts

154 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Wow, so bland and dull...

WCZ

10,545 posts

195 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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looks fking huge

patmahe

5,759 posts

205 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Can't understand why when a manufacturer offers a 3 and a 5 door bodystyle in the standard car, they cannot carry this over to the hot hatch variety. Personally I like a 5 door for the real world practicality it offers, but I can understand that others might want a 3 door. Surely in these days of niche models, modifying a 3 door or 5 door version of the same hatch to become the 'hot' version must have little difference.

HTP99

22,608 posts

141 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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patmahe said:
Can't understand why when a manufacturer offers a 3 and a 5 door bodystyle in the standard car, they cannot carry this over to the hot hatch variety. Personally I like a 5 door for the real world practicality it offers, but I can understand that others might want a 3 door. Surely in these days of niche models, modifying a 3 door or 5 door version of the same hatch to become the 'hot' version must have little difference.
Renault don't offer a 3 door version of the new Megane.

Martin_Hx

3,955 posts

199 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Looks like another new car blob with massive body roll irked

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

189 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Looks like a boring mix of Seat Leon and Vauxhall Astra - from the modern world of the 'jellymould' cars, defined only by their badge or the shape of the head/tail lights - groan.

At least they've tried to give it some brand recognition by making sure the front badge is about 2-3x the size any other manufacturer would deem tasteful.

DJM7691

Original Poster:

426 posts

110 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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GTEYE said:
DJM7691 said:
Argh, 5 door only!

I know that the majority of hot hatches at this market segment are 5 door but I really can't understand why Renault and others continue to ignore a customer group like this.

I sit quite far back and low in my car and can't stand how the B-pillar completes blocks any view out of the side of the car in any 5 door hatchback. Megane RS, Civic type R, Focus RS, all cars I could be interested in if they sold a 3 door. Really leaves only a Golf and a Leon that I could be interested in.
But when you look at Golf R's on the road, how many of them are 3 doors - maybe 1 in 20 - who knows, but very few.

So you can hardly blame Renault and others for not bothering.
Take your point, I would question the 1 in 20 though, reckon its probably somewhere between 1 in 5 and 1 in 10, I couldn't find any figures to confirm it.

Either way, that is still a lot of revenue that is potentially being missed out on, for what would surely not be an expensive engineering programme. With car manufacturers striving ever further to find a new niche, its surprising that this segment is disappearing.

lord trumpton

7,417 posts

127 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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DJM7691 said:
GTEYE said:
DJM7691 said:
Argh, 5 door only!

I know that the majority of hot hatches at this market segment are 5 door but I really can't understand why Renault and others continue to ignore a customer group like this.

I sit quite far back and low in my car and can't stand how the B-pillar completes blocks any view out of the side of the car in any 5 door hatchback. Megane RS, Civic type R, Focus RS, all cars I could be interested in if they sold a 3 door. Really leaves only a Golf and a Leon that I could be interested in.
But when you look at Golf R's on the road, how many of them are 3 doors - maybe 1 in 20 - who knows, but very few.

So you can hardly blame Renault and others for not bothering.
Take your point, I would question the 1 in 20 though, reckon its probably somewhere between 1 in 5 and 1 in 10, I couldn't find any figures to confirm it.

Either way, that is still a lot of revenue that is potentially being missed out on, for what would surely not be an expensive engineering programme. With car manufacturers striving ever further to find a new niche, its surprising that this segment is disappearing.
Is it because all the pre reg and lease deals were on the 5 doors?

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

151 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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No one at the OEM cares about how many doors the hot hatches have. They tool up to build the shopping models only. If the shopping model won't sell in a 3 door format they're not going to develop a different shell just for a handful of hot hatch sales. There's no ROI there.

lord trumpton

7,417 posts

127 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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Plus i'd guess the buyer demographic of the R is likely to be a thirtysomething professional with more needs of the car; like family stuff and 'Active' lifestyle.

Personally speaking I think most golfy sized hatches on the market are really quite big and tend to look better aesthetically than that of a 3 door with a huge, long rear wing.

The again I might be biased because I have to have an estate because of family stuff.

Krikkit

26,555 posts

182 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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I'd like to see a 3-door, but...
DJM7691 said:
Either way, that is still a lot of revenue that is potentially being missed out on, for what would surely not be an expensive engineering programme.
Be assured that this is a very, *very* expensive thing to do. It's not like you can just leave out 2 doors and weld the B pillar to the C pillar, it's effectively re-engineering the monocoque and creating new tooling for all the unique parts that brings.

driftingphil

138 posts

148 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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C.A.R. said:
At least they've tried to give it some brand recognition by making sure the front badge is about 2-3x the size any other manufacturer would deem tasteful.
Like Mercedes you mean.

joshleb

1,544 posts

145 months

Monday 5th September 2016
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That's so underwhelming.

The last Megane coupe looked great, and then the RS on top of that really did look special.

That, (yes I know it's not finished) just looks a bit meh.

Big, heavy, lumbersome. I don't get excited by that at all. Give me a Mk3 any day!