RE: Volkswagen XL1: Spotted

RE: Volkswagen XL1: Spotted

Tuesday 13th September 2016

Volkswagen XL1: Spotted

Could you pay as much for an XL1 as a BMW i8?



Well now this is a turn up. Following a semi-confirmation of price in 2013, the Volkswagen XL1 has rather fallen off the eco radars of many. No doubt the rarity will have contributed to that, but we must also cite a certain 'i' brand and VW's - how to be diplomatic - tricky relationship with diesel in the past year as contributing factors also.

Exotic diesel hybrid? Yes, really!
Exotic diesel hybrid? Yes, really!
But there is a VW XL1 for sale on PH, in the UK and at a VW main dealer. In Crewe of all places. Imagine popping in for a service on your Polo GTI and seeing this there. Must be like finding Kobe beef at the deli counter; sort of like what you're getting, but so much more exotic. And rarer. And more expensive.

You'll think that's just a poor simile in a failed humour attempt, but the XL1 really is that special. To dismiss it on performance terms (yes, that 0-62mph time is correct) would be like criticising the Bugatti Veyron for not handling like an Elise - it's entirely missing the point.

That Veyron reference is deliberate too, because it and the XL1 are of course creations of the same man, Ferdinand Piech. Like the Bugatti, the little XL1 was born from a vision of Piech's (to create a car that returned 1l/100km, or 282mpg) that took many years, many prototypes and many millions to bring to production. The result is very expensive, very rare and bursting with technical intrigue.

You can read the full XL1 lowdown from 2013 here, but consider these little nuggets first off: it's a diesel hybrid with two seats and luggage space that weighs 795kg, it has magnesium wheels (like another of Piech's greatest hits, the Porsche 917), it has carbon ceramic brakes and its design was inspired by sharks. Sharks carve the water well, the XL1 carves the air with similar efficiency: its drag co-efficient is 0.189Cd. This is cool eco motoring, not the worthy and miserable kind.

Rear visibility not the best...
Rear visibility not the best...
To drive, the XL1 is fascinating. That light weight bestows upon it real agility and a sense of speed, the unassisted steering is a joy and the powertrain calibration was - on a short test at least - damn near perfect. As a quirky commuter car with the legs for longer journeys it was hard to think of anything better.

But times have changed since 2013. The BMW i3 does electric city car with usable range extremely well for £30K, and then the i8 occupies the eco-supercar role that the VW did (at least in terms of looks and presence) three years ago. And, when the XL1 is for sale at £105,995, that game changing BMW has to be a consideration. Someone will probably mention the original Honda Insight here too.

Yet somehow the Volkswagen holds greater appeal than all of them. Perhaps it's the fact that it represents one man's bloody mindedness to see an idea through, rather than being a logical business plan. Perhaps it's the incongruity of the final product having a VW badge on it. Dare potential classic status even be brought into the argument? Whatever the reason, buying a six-figure car from Crewe that isn't a Bentley has never, ever looked so tempting.


VW XL1
Engine:
 800cc two-cylinder turbodiesel plus electric motor
Transmission: Seven-speed dual-clutch automatic, rear-wheel drive 
Power (hp): c. 67@5,700-6,700rpm (diesel engine - 47hp, electric - 27hp)
Torque (lb ft): 103@ 1,750-5,500rpm
MPG: 313 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 21g/km
First registered: 2015
Recorded mileage: 70
Price new: ~£90,000
Yours for: £105,995

See the original advert here

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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As cool as that is (and I genuinely like it!), no way for that price. I'd rather have a Tesla if I wanted something with eco-credentials.

Edited by sidesauce on Tuesday 13th September 10:07

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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It'd certainly go in my Euromillions garage as an interesting curio - what a fabulously single-minded creation.

Composite Guru

2,207 posts

203 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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I saw one of these in Salzburg back in June. I should of taken a picture as evidence. biggrin

Dr G

15,175 posts

242 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Were I in the market for a £100k toy this would be very, very high on my list.

A car for a nerd - which I quite happily am!

Triumph Man

8,690 posts

168 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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I really do like Piech's work. Even if he is mad. This, the Phaeton, the 917, I really like his obsessive manner.

jayemm89

4,036 posts

130 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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I actually got to drive one of these a while back. It was an interesting experience, but I certainly wouldn't be buying one

JamesyBoy75

115 posts

157 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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£105K sure is a lot, this does remind me so much of the original Insight (that cars horrible colours not withstanding), makes me realise how far ahead of it's time it was.

Quhet

2,421 posts

146 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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So fking cool but so fking expensive! eek

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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worth the money imo

Gingerbread Man

9,171 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Where is the 0-60 time it refers to. I'm blind

NAS

2,543 posts

231 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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WCZ said:
worth the money imo
I've sat in one, and it feels just as exotic as any supercar. If you look at the detailing, it's really really special.

Roscco

276 posts

222 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Gingerbread Man said:
Where is the 0-60 time it refers to. I'm blind
I too must be blind.

Fetchez la vache

5,572 posts

214 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Roscco said:
Gingerbread Man said:
Where is the 0-60 time it refers to. I'm blind
I too must be blind.
0-62mph: 12.7sec
In the original linked article... nerd

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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This would make an ideal car for commuting but you could probably commute by helicopter for less. Was a shame they didn't make these for sensible money in the first place.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Fetchez la vache said:
Roscco said:
Gingerbread Man said:
Where is the 0-60 time it refers to. I'm blind
I too must be blind.
0-62mph: 12.7sec
In the original linked article... nerd
so similar to the P100D well if you remove the 1 lol



350Matt

3,738 posts

279 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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as the article says

why not just get the original honda insight?

so close to each other in concept and for a lot lot less - although admittedly leggy

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

RenesisEvo

3,608 posts

219 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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cloud9

If my numbers came up that dealer would be getting a phone call straight away. In love with the engineering behind it, proper geekery not seen since the Lupo 3L. What I'd give just to try one for a day. Superb spot.

Barchettaman

6,309 posts

132 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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The article said said:
...Yet somehow the Volkswagen holds greater appeal than all of them.
Not at 106k.

Come on, people. The world has moved on.

This was conceived in a time before current battery technology. Hence it is both obsolete and irrelevant.

FordyX72

18 posts

91 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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Apparently the guy that owns the dealership bought it as a show piece. Well that's what one of the sales guys told me when I asked if I could take some pics.

dinkel

26,944 posts

258 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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In real life this is a small car. The Beemer looks as if it offers more space. The VW looks and feels like a sportscar though.

100K is absurd and it should be bought by cities to offer citizens a showcase of future EV.

The range / consumption figures were a marketing trick. A year or what ago a Dutch journo killed them. As you do. Still eco. There are more sensible offers:

Renault Izzy anyone?


Or the ZOE if you're into 100 miles journey.


I wonder what hills and slopes do to range... Let's stick to city traffic and nearby rural roads for these EV kits.