RE: Ariel's 'fan car' explained

RE: Ariel's 'fan car' explained

Tuesday 20th September 2016

Ariel's 'fan car' explained

Simon Saunders talks PH round Ariel's curious suction-generated downforce system



"If you put more and more power through, you just end up spinning the wheels." Simon Saunders, inspirational boss of Ariel, is talking us through a major developmental hurdle at the firm. Namely, anytime they try and boost engine output, the car spins it away on launch.


The fact that the Atom is a flyweight at 520kg doesn't help, but what if you could artificially push the car into the ground at any speed?

This is the genius solution - revive the ground-effect 'fan-car' technology that got Gordon Murray's 1978 Brabham banned from the F1 grid. "This is kind of like the holy grail - downforce when you're stationary," Saunders says.

We ran across Saunders and the so-called Aero-P at the Low Carbon Vehicle Show at Millbrook, Bedfordshire, of all places, and were instantly drawn to it. To look at it you'd think Ariel had attempted a road-going Atom hovercraft, which actually doesn't sound quite so barmy now the Nomad has taken the brand off-road. In this instance a lightweight underfloor, complete with flexible rubbery skirts, protrudes from the car and contains two fans, one at the front, one at the rear. Aircraft-style 'No Step' signs remind you this ain't structural.

We ask Saunders how big these fans are, expecting something in the order of a couple of adapted ceiling fans under there. 100mm, he says. We must've looked sceptical, because he offers to activate the launch sequence. "Stand back," he says. We wonder why for the fraction of second it takes for the fans to spin up, before howling like an industrial Dyson Airblade and blasting air sucked from below through a Y-shaped duct just behind the seats. The force is such the Atom physically hunkers to the floor. It's phenomenal to see.


This is very much in the developmental stage but Saunders is excited about the other benefits it could offer. Like taking over the job of the rear wing, which has been removed on this concept car.

"We do an aerofoil package that increases drag by 15 per cent, so in performance terms it slows you down. And they don't work until you're doing 60-70mph. By removing them you've got a faster, more efficient car," he says. Even with these generic, electric-powered 100mm fans, Saunders estimates he gets three times the downforce his current aero package offers. That not only helps in corners, but also under braking. "You hit the brakes and it deploys the skirts and the fans, and suddenly your stopping distance has markedly improved," he says.

Deploy is a key word here because you don't want the skirts scraping the ground all the time. The head-scratcher for Saunders is how to fold away the ground-effect technology in normal use and then activate it quickly, for example under hard braking, or when the G-sensors say so. Or when you're about to utilize whatever crazy power Saunders has managed to extract above the 310hp of the supercharged version of the Honda-powered Atom.

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patmahe

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5,750 posts

204 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Holy st, the boys and girls at Ariel are crazy, but it's the really really good kind of crazy, really good biggrin

NJ72

183 posts

98 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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People see this:

I see this:

SirSquidalot

4,041 posts

165 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Epic, more hypercars will get this tech. Downforce is still relatively unexplored in the supercar/hypercar world.

foxsasha

1,417 posts

135 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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You've got to love Ariel. clap

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Yay, sea worthy Atom biggrin

dlockhart

434 posts

172 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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I wonder what a trip across the curbs will do to that skirt?

I love the insanity of it though.

Sergio DS

3 posts

108 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Oh Ariel... you're doing it wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDDI5h8JQE0

Evilex

512 posts

104 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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All well and good on a smooth track, but how well does the ground effect continue to work on one of our busted up B-roads?
Such tech is only any good if it consistently delivers when you need it to under all circumstances.
I wouldn't want my stopping distance to double because I'd just driven over a massive pothole...

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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It'll be awesome as a cat hoover.

stuart-b

3,643 posts

226 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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So what happens when it sucks up all the stones and st on the ground?

Nice idea, but not practical.

Mr MXT

7,692 posts

283 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Getting in the way of everyone else at a track day near you soon!

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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One wonders why Ariel feel it's a good idea to adopt this ancient technology. When you're cornering flat out, clip a kerb and lose suction the car is immediately out of control and beyond recovery, heading to the scene of a big accident. AFAIK no race series on the planet allows it.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
One wonders why Ariel feel it's a good idea to adopt this ancient technology. When you're cornering flat out, clip a kerb and lose suction the car is immediately out of control and beyond recovery, heading to the scene of a big accident. AFAIK no race series on the planet allows it.
then dont clip the kerb.. you'll go round the corner faster that way.
adapt your driving to the car you're in. easy really

Mr MXT

7,692 posts

283 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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SystemParanoia said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
One wonders why Ariel feel it's a good idea to adopt this ancient technology. When you're cornering flat out, clip a kerb and lose suction the car is immediately out of control and beyond recovery, heading to the scene of a big accident. AFAIK no race series on the planet allows it.
then dont clip the kerb.. you'll go round the corner faster that way.
adapt your driving to the car you're in. easy really
very slow on the corners, fast on the straights biggrin

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Gordon Murray and Bernie would be very proud.

According to Murray (not certain this is true). The 2nd version of the Brabham fan car had two fans, blades could be feathered at speed and the calcs stated it could allow the car to corner with 6G.

Amazing what men in sheds can achieve. Well done Ariel.

Monkeylegend

26,385 posts

231 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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stuart-b said:
So what happens when it sucks up all the stones and st on the ground?

Nice idea, but not practical.
You wouldn't want to be driving behind one when the fans kick in.

JackManny1

23 posts

109 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Monkeylegend said:
stuart-b said:
So what happens when it sucks up all the stones and st on the ground?

Nice idea, but not practical.
You wouldn't want to be driving behind one when the fans kick in.
I'd imagine there would be a form of filtration so stones dont go flying through it but I cant imagine it would stop dust from dirtying peoples nice clean cars laugh


On another note, I'm kind of not into this, I like the thought of finding grip "naturally", for want of a better word, rather than physically being sucked to the ground... Am I the only one?!

Monkeylegend

26,385 posts

231 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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JackManny1 said:
I'd imagine there would be a form of filtration so stones dont go flying through it but I cant imagine it would stop dust from dirtying peoples nice clean cars laugh


On another note, I'm kind of not into this, I like the thought of finding grip "naturally", for want of a better word, rather than physically being sucked to the ground... Am I the only one?!
I agree, can you imagine if the fans cut out mid corner yikes

You could find out in a rather dramatic way how much mechanical grip you don't have.


Edited by Monkeylegend on Tuesday 20th September 16:38

Smokehead

7,703 posts

228 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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It'd be fun in the snow hehe

BogBeast

1,136 posts

263 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Fantastic...

Great to see more innovation from a UK car company.... Now follow it up with an international shipping product and patent it (if it not been so already...)