RE: Bentley Bentayga Diesel - official!

RE: Bentley Bentayga Diesel - official!

Sunday 25th September 2016

Bentley Bentayga Diesel - official!

Just when you thought it couldn't be any more controversial, the Bentayga is now being offered as a diesel



Here's some cheering news for you: Bentley can't build enough Bentaygas. All £162K-and-quite-a-bit of them. It planned to build 3,600 this year but, to the end of August, had already built 3,300. By year end, the plan is to kick a few more Continental GTs off the production list and take this up to 5,500, "maybe even a few more" says product director Peter Guest. As we umm and aah over the merits, or otherwise, of Bentley's first SUV, actual customers get on with the task of fighting their way to the front of the ever-growing queue.

And you thought an Audi SQ7 was bold...
And you thought an Audi SQ7 was bold...
And that's for the range-topping W12, remember. Now, Bentley's getting ready to launch the 'volume' diesel variant, with a lower list price (as if that matters), lower emissions, Bentley's best-ever CO2 and better economy (again, as if...).  Priced from £135,800 - £30K less than a W12 - deliveries of the Bentayga Diesel begin in January 2017, and you can bet there are a few ghostly faces within Land Rover at the very thought of its arrival.

But so keen is Bentley for us to understand this is not just a Bentayga with an Audi SQ7 engine dropped in, it invited us up to the home of CEO Wolfgang Durheimer (sadly not present) to explain just what's gone into it. Namely, a 435hp 4.0-litre triple-charged V8 that, with 0-62mph in 4.8 seconds and a restrictor-free top speed of 168mph, immediately grabs bragging rights as the world's fastest diesel SUV.  Oh, and with 664lb ft of torque, matches the W12 for pulling power - only this time, it's delivered flat from 1,000-3,250rpm. 664lb ft, at 1,000rpm. Good god...

... That is exactly the same as the SQ7 this is apparently not the better-bred twin of. Awkward. "It's co-developed with Audi," admits powertrain director Paul Williams, and "the base engine is the same as the SQ7". But, he insists, "we've made this a Bentley engine" through indefatigable recalibration and detail work. Which, when you have two sequential turbos and an electric compressor 'pilot light', is not the work of a moment. Indeed, I suggest just this to him. His pained expression and distant look of recalling buried memories fully confirms this.

Badges and exhuast mark the Diesel out
Badges and exhuast mark the Diesel out
The Audi is sporty, he says, whereas the Bentley should be refined. Boot it and, in the first second, courtesy of that electric compressor (which operates up to 2,000rpm), the Bentayga Diesel is faster in response and acceleration than the W12, reveals Williams - but it must be more a surge of power than break your neck explosion. It should also transition ever-seamlessly between the first active sequential turbo (up to 2,700rpm) and the second passive one (3,000rpm and over), and back again. "It's a very complex boosting system," he says, with a world-weary grin.

You can add in programming Bentley's cylinder deactivation tech too - here, it doesn't deactivate cylinders, but closes off the exhaust valves on the higher-speed passive turbo when it's not needed (both turbos feed all eight cylinders). Yes, it's the same base engine, but it appears that the craftsmanship that's gone into the electronics and management of it is easily equal to anything that goes on in the famed Bentley wood shop. Here's to the PH twin test to find out...

Only the revcounter will give it away in here
Only the revcounter will give it away in here
To force the point home, Bentley goes deeper into the tech. The electric compressor is fed by the Bentayga 48v technology, the same system that stops this 2.4-tonne behemoth rolling through corners. Supplying a bonkers 7kW of power, it spools from 0-70,000rpm in 250 milliseconds, hence the promise of virtually zero turbo lag. It's mounted low down in the engine bay but the two other turbos are 'hot side inside'... and Bentley's also added some of the emissions filters in there, so they warm up fast and help it ace the upcoming real world emissions tests with ease. "Without all this tech, we could not have made a Bentley diesel," insists Guest. The Bentayga Diesel does deliver, he reckons, despite being its first-ever diesel installed in its first-ever SUV, which is about as far from trad Bentley as can be.

"You've got the wave of torque from low revs, you've got an extra 150 miles per tankful... it really gives the authentic Bentley experience." And will appeal to younger customers, to more customers from other brands, to markets that love diesel but in which Bentley has not traditionally done well - Germany, France, Spain and so on. The logic is undeniable. Sorry, Conti GT, you're now niche stuff.

And from the back seat of a test mule on Bentley's factory test route, the Bentayga Diesel seems pretty convincing. Does it rattle? Nope, it just sounds like a throbby, distant V8. Is it quick off the mark? Implausibly so. You'll need a Range Rover Sport SVR to take this diesel on. 

Seen a few already? Expect plenty more soon!
Seen a few already? Expect plenty more soon!
Sure, if you listen carefully from the outside, it might sound a bit more dieselly. Bentley's not fussed about this, so long as it's decidedly anti-diesel within. It seems thus. Besides, a black radiator mesh, V8 Diesel badge and quad tailpipes will give the game away to spotters: it's not a machine that's particularly embarrassed about being a diesel. What it does is deliver the same imperious, step-on driving experience of the W12, in a more accessible package that will theoretically do almost 36mpg and, similarly-theoretically, drive from London to Skye on a tankful, so occupants don't have to eyeball the plebs in a filling station anywhere.

Which you may hate with the very essence of your soul, but is so bang on-target to what today's luxury market demands, the only question now is just how many Bentaygas can Crewe build a year? Oh, and how are they going to fit in all the Speed 6 sports cars and other niche 'proper Bentleys' the Bentayga's success is going to finance? See: told you a Bentayga Diesel was cheering news.


BENTLEY BENTAYGA DIESEL
Engine:
3,956cc V8 twin-turbo diesel with electric compressor
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, four-wheel drive (40:60 F:R torque split, Torsen centre differential, open rear differential)
Power (hp): 435@3,750-5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 664@1,000-3,250rpm
0-62mph: 4.8sec
Top speed: 168mph
Weight: 2,390kg (kerbweight)
MPG: 35.8 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 210g/km
Price: £137,800 (on sale now, deliveries January 2017)

 

   
   
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housen

Original Poster:

2,366 posts

192 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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I like

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Diesel or petrol, it is still totally God awful to look at in my eyes and even if I were appallingly rich and able to afford anything I ever wanted I seriously could not bring myself to spend such a sum of money on a car that looks sadder than a sad thing on the day free sadness was given out.

A-fking-bysmal.

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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In before comments saying it's ugly, it's a travesty, Bentley are ruining their image etc

Bottom line is, it'll sell, and sell well... That's all that matters for VW.

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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sidesauce said:
In before comments saying it's ugly, it's a travesty, Bentley are ruining their image etc

Bottom line is, it'll sell, and sell well... That's all that matters for VW.
yes

73RS

71 posts

208 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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One of the most hideous cars on sale, and certainly the most pointless imo

SWoll

18,349 posts

258 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Tuvra said:
sidesauce said:
In before comments saying it's ugly, it's a travesty, Bentley are ruining their image etc

Bottom line is, it'll sell, and sell well... That's all that matters for VW.
yes
Of course it will, doesn't stop it being hideous to look at though. Don't give a st about diluting the brand or anything else but I'm just amazed that anyone signed off on the design. It looks like a bad autocar concept that's been knocked up by a clueless apprentice. Not a single decent angle.

DBRacingGod

609 posts

192 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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The automotive shark has just been well and truly jumped.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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I actually saw one driving the other day and was also stuck in traffic next to it. Surprisingly its an extremely handsome car. Not ugly IMO. I don;t disagree the front needs a little work, but I'm sure they'll be a facelift in due course to sort this.

I'd say if you saw it for real, you'd have a different view to that based on internet pictures.

Certainly in the land of SUV's and 4x4's, it has some serious presence.

MDMA .

8,893 posts

101 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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can see a few of the DFS type sofa company bosses buying these. 50 plus, died hair, Marbella tan and some overpriced sparkly watch.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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DBRacingGod said:
The automotive shark has just been well and truly jumped.
Dunno if this is the pinnacle of that tbh, I just saw a topic about a four wheel drive Mini Clubman, confused

E65Ross

35,068 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Whilst it undeniably makes sense for Bentley, deep down I find it a bit of a shame. At least it's got a decent cylinder count, and sounds like it'll be smooth and refined enough....but is it as smooth and refined as a petrol? Doubt it.

suffolk009

5,384 posts

165 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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I'd like to think this is the step too far for the luxury SUV market.

But I know I'm wrong.

There is still the 2WD convertible version to come....

E65Ross

35,068 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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suffolk009 said:
I'd like to think this is the step too far for the luxury SUV market.

But I know I'm wrong.

There is still the 2WD convertible version to come....
rofl


Vocht

1,631 posts

164 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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For people that don't think it's ugly (such as myself), this is an absolutely fantastic car. £30k cheaper than the W12 and arguably more real world performance, what's there not to love?

I don't care what people say, nobody likes the realistic 15mpg that the W12's gets. This will Bentleys best selling car and for a very good reason. Uber luxury at a more accessible cost.

Edited by Vocht on Wednesday 21st September 09:31

Deerfoot

4,902 posts

184 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Vocht said:
I don't care what people say, nobody likes the realistic 15mpg that the W12's gets.
One of our shareholders has the W12, on a trip from Swindon to Thruxton he got an average of 9mpg.

It`s very brisk for it`s size though, I was pleasantly surprised. Absolutely fantastic inside as well.

Mr Snrub

24,972 posts

227 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Why have PH posted the pictures of the Chinese knock off in the article? It's not as if someone like Bentley would...............oh.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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DDg said:
Its one redeeming feature is that it will annoy Islington-based, anti-car PHer's.
Anti car PHers, do those exist?

williamp

19,254 posts

273 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Vocht said:
For people that don't think it's ugly (such as myself), this is an absolutely fantastic car. £30k cheaper than the W12 and arguably more real world performance than the W12 what's there not to love?

I don't care what people say, nobody likes the realistic 15mpg that the W12's gets. This will Bentleys best selling car and for a very good reason. Uber luxury at a more accessible cost.
not to start an argument with you, but what's to love? I care for the brand, and to me Bentley is NOT this. It is big, thunderous powerfully long distance cars, le mans winners, etc etc. Not Diesel bling machines. Yes I know it will sell well. And make VW loads of cash, and help secure british jobs...and I am sure there is already a rap video with a few of these in. But..BUT...... shame

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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MDMA . said:
can see a few of the DFS type sofa company bosses buying these. 50 plus, died hair, Marbella tan and some overpriced sparkly watch.
About 5 stereotypes too many in that quote ...

Vocht

1,631 posts

164 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Deerfoot said:
One of our shareholders has the W12, on a trip from Swindon to Thruxton he got an average of 9mpg.

It`s very brisk for it`s size though, I was pleasantly surprised. Absolutely fantastic inside as well.
My point exactly smile . The diesel offers near enough the same pace (better low down torque in fact), the same levels of interior luxury and all with better mpg. Winner winner chicken dinner.