Cayenne D vs Hybrid

Cayenne D vs Hybrid

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jakesmith

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9,461 posts

170 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Looking at a 2nd hand Cayenne as the FFRR looks a bit unreliable for my liking

Is there any point to a hybrid 2nd hand? MPG seems a bit worse that diesel, tax about the same, it's not a company car so no benefit there, much more complex & potentially troublesome powertrain compared to the diesel which I believe is closely related to the tried & tested VAG 3.0 TDi that they make 10'000's of a year? Also would need a circuit put in at home for charging right?

Pope

2,633 posts

246 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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There are two Hybrid versions available:

1st version: Cayenne S Hybrid - 288v NiMH battery
2nd version: Cayenne SE Hybrid - 400v Li-ion battery

Both have the VAG sourced 3.0V6 supercharged engine delivering a combined 300+bhp

S had an electric range of 1-2 miles and its not plug-in.

SE has a real world range of around 20 miles, plug-in and universal charger.

I like the Hybrid versions for what they are; something different and well excuted. The standard Cayenne interior is shared across the range so from inside apart from some detail changes (power meter and charge display) and the extra few k on the Rev counter they are much of a muchness.

The Hybrids are gentler on consumables - brakes especially; as the majority of minor retardation is done by the e-machine via recuperation (though most models now have micro-Hybrid recuperation through Alternator load control anyway).

Cheib

23,112 posts

174 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Big consideration in mu mind would be how long you are going to won the car for and whether you would keep the OPC warranty. You would be a very brave man to consider running a Hybrid without warranty!

breadvan

1,985 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Pope said:
There are two Hybrid versions available:

1st version: Cayenne S Hybrid - 288v NiMH battery
2nd version: Cayenne SE Hybrid - 400v Li-ion battery

Both have the VAG sourced 3.0V6 supercharged engine delivering a combined 300+bhp

S had an electric range of 1-2 miles and its not plug-in.

SE has a real world range of around 20 miles, plug-in and universal charger.

I like the Hybrid versions for what they are; something different and well excuted. The standard Cayenne interior is shared across the range so from inside apart from some detail changes (power meter and charge display) and the extra few k on the Rev counter they are much of a muchness.

The Hybrids are gentler on consumables - brakes especially; as the majority of minor retardation is done by the e-machine via recuperation (though most models now have micro-Hybrid recuperation through Alternator load control anyway).
Fwiw I really appreciate your knowledgable posts.

jakesmith

Original Poster:

9,461 posts

170 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Pope said:
There are two Hybrid versions available:

1st version: Cayenne S Hybrid - 288v NiMH battery
2nd version: Cayenne SE Hybrid - 400v Li-ion battery

Both have the VAG sourced 3.0V6 supercharged engine delivering a combined 300+bhp

S had an electric range of 1-2 miles and its not plug-in.

SE has a real world range of around 20 miles, plug-in and universal charger.

I like the Hybrid versions for what they are; something different and well excuted. The standard Cayenne interior is shared across the range so from inside apart from some detail changes (power meter and charge display) and the extra few k on the Rev counter they are much of a muchness.

The Hybrids are gentler on consumables - brakes especially; as the majority of minor retardation is done by the e-machine via recuperation (though most models now have micro-Hybrid recuperation through Alternator load control anyway).
Great knowledge! I like the fact that the engine is almost the S4 3.0 V6 Supercharged & can have a jazzy exhaust added
Think I'll swerve it and go for the TDi though due to marginal benefits
But thanks

Taffy66

5,964 posts

101 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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I have owned three gen 2 cayennes;a V6 diesel,V8 diesel and currently a e-hybrid all bought new.The V6 diesel provides adequate performance until you drive the V8 diesel which is addictive with only a 3-4mpg penalty.The e-hybrid drives totally different with less md range torque but a much more responsive and wide power band 1000rpm to 6500rpm and much nicer to drive arond town without the annoying stop/start.
After two years with a hybrid on balance i would get another instead of diesel as i feel diesel cars are the past and ever improving hybrids the future.Next year i'm going to get the new 462hp Panamera hybrid and also p/x my current Cayenne for the new model e-hybrid.

jakesmith

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9,461 posts

170 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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That's great insight, our budget is 35k though so we cd only consider a 2012 v6 diesel or hybrid which are different ownership propositions really

red997

1,304 posts

208 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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I had a gen 1 hybrid KN
was a lovely car;
used it to tow the race car (997 cup) - no problems at all.
Also took it around Spa & Donny, which it coped with brilliantly !
Mine was a full on spec, nothing missing form the options list - bought it second hand from OPC, only 3K miles on clock - mint condition.
I did over 60K in it

very smooth to drive, and pretty efficient when driven 'normally'

However, I wouldn't buy a 2nd hand gen 1 without a full warranty, given the battery life.

Driven a few Panamera hybrids, thought that they needed 4wd to get the torque under control. (had a 4s & turbo Panny)

Looking fwd to driving the new Panamera Hybrid

alphonso

273 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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jakesmith said:
That's great insight, our budget is 35k though so we cd only consider a 2012 v6 diesel or hybrid which are different ownership propositions really
Had a similar budget and felt the V6 was just too slow.. looked at the hybrids but the reviews put me off so then thought about upgrading to the V8 Diesel for an extra 10k, but ended up getting the long forgotten V8 Petrol for 39k.. mpg is mid 20's so not too far off the diesels and way more power.. the engine rumble and pickup is pretty impressive and 3 months on I'm really pleased with the decision