RE: Audi - Paris 2016

Friday 30th September 2016

Audi - Paris 2016

Farewell Quattro GmbH and hello Audi Sport with a new RS3 saloon and LMS race version



Given its significance to the Audi range and popularity among buyers we should probably focus this report on the all-new Q5 making its debut here at Paris. Frankly even by Audi's glacial pace of evolutionary design you'd be hard pressed to tell it apart from the existing one. And it's not what you'd call core PH.


The A5 Sportback possibly is though, the charge onto the stage amid a plethora of superlatives led by the 354hp S5 version with the new turbo V6. Already seen in the regular S5 and with much carried over from that car it's safe to say we can expect more of the same, albeit with a couple of extra doors. Overall though it was a vintage game of motor show press conference buzzword bingo, the designated suit going in hard on the 'sportlich', 'efficiency' and 'connected' jargon while boss Rupert Staler introduced us to the somewhat sinister sounding concept of 'swarm intelligence', referring to cloud-based data sharing using the existing sensors, cameras and other features already integrated into Audi's products.

The big Audi news from our perspective would be the return onto the motor show stage for ex-Lamborghini boss Stephan Winkelmann in his new role as head of Quattro GmbH. Only he's not, because as of now there is no such company, his division rebranded as Audi Sport but continuing its job of building customer race cars, dedicated sports cars like the R8 and, of course, ruded up RS branded versions of regular Audis. Winkelmann promised eight of these in the coming 18 months alone, suggesting he's been doing more than just cultivating an extravagant beard since taking up his new position.


And the first of these is, as we'd guessed, an RS3 saloon. Which is, in the literal sense, an RS3 with a boot. No bad thing really, especially given how its equivalent in the S3 range somehow manages to come across as a bit more interesting than its hatchback equivalent. There's no real reason for that beyond looks and image, the cars fundamentally the same underneath and sharing the same five-cylinder turbo, Haldex-based four-wheel drive and seven-speed dual-clutch transmission. For the saloon the hatchback's 367hp and 343lb ft gets a further boost to 400hp and 354lb ft though, worthwhile gains that'll no doubt be reflected in the price. Given the hatch is basically a £40K car a few options away from a £50K pricetag don't expect it to be cheap, this a pretty sturdy price point for a transverse-engine, Golf platformed saloon, no matter how muscular and charismatic its engine.

Sharing the stage with the RS3 saloon was a surprise unveiling in the shape of its RS3 LMS race version. Rules mean it runs a four-cylinder engine like the TCR Golf to compete in the Touring Car Racer International Series and not the road car's five-cylinder. No matter, it looks seriously mean with fat slicks busting out of already engorged box arches, a huge rear wing and a single centre exhaust of drain pipe proportions.

 

 

 

 

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Douglas Arfempty

Original Poster:

623 posts

186 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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They've made the A5 look like a Mondeo?!

Carl_Manchester

12,196 posts

262 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Rs3 has a really nice shape but those wheels are gipping.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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shame the RS3 is the boring stock car with some silver paint on the bumpers, what happened to the A3 club sport frown

at least it gets the revised engine from the TT

if it looked like this i would have bought one



Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 29th September 15:03

ikarl

3,730 posts

199 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Audi 'bore' me like no other manufacturer can.

bigmuzzie

89 posts

102 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Since buying Porsche they really have started using their design team for their updates.

That S5 does look like a diesel Mondeo and in primer too. Nice touch.

Wonder if they've also gone to a 50 inch 4k tablet stuck on the dash......

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Been waiting for the RS3 saloon announcement for absolutely ages. Already emailed my local dealer with interest. smile 400hp? Ah yeah....giggity.

Adz The Rat

14,080 posts

209 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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ikarl said:
Audi 'bore' me like no other manufacturer can.
I do wonder why you opened the thread then, let alone find time to comment....

That RS3 saloon looks fantastic, apart from the awful wheels. Easy fix though. 400bhp should make it a monster, Im looking forward to trying one.

WhiteBaron

1,394 posts

226 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Carl_Manchester said:
Rs3 has a really nice shape but those wheels are gipping.
Agreed, add £1200 for a decent looking option wheel!

ikarl

3,730 posts

199 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Adz The Rat said:
ikarl said:
Audi 'bore' me like no other manufacturer can.
I do wonder why you opened the thread then, let alone find time to comment....

That RS3 saloon looks fantastic, apart from the awful wheels. Easy fix though. 400bhp should make it a monster, Im looking forward to trying one.
Because I open/read most threads that happen to be on the front page when I open the forum confused

This threadin particular in the hope that there would be something that would make me 'oooh' and 'aaaah' but alas no, they still do nothing for me.

I should love the model line-up because, let's face it, it is very very good.. but everything about Audi just leaves me thinking 'boring' more than any other car manufacturer.

aspirated

2,539 posts

146 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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That engine, with that noise, the pop up screen and the virtual cockpit cloud9

RS3 Saloon would be my perfect daily


Anyone reckon the heavier saloon rear end and lighter engine up front might help with the understeer criticisms the Sportback suffered from?

Edited by aspirated on Thursday 29th September 18:06

Ollieb7

369 posts

198 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Such a shame. So much promise but constantly under delivers. Boring boring auto saloon.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

230 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Ollieb7 said:
Such a shame. So much promise but constantly under delivers. Boring boring auto saloon.
Yeah man, totally. Because you've driven it, right?

Oh wait, you haven't?

So you're just spouting a load of tired cliches then?

Good good.

SandyT

25 posts

95 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Douglas Arfempty said:
They've made the A5 look like a Mondeo?!
That was my first thought too :-s

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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aspirated said:
Anyone reckon the heavier saloon rear end and lighter engine up front might help with the understeer criticisms the Sportback suffered from?
I certainly recon so. Ideally I would like a manual and a handbrake too, but can't have it all now...
Still it will be twice the price of my four pot fwd mqb which has 80% of the horsepower and 90% of the weight and a bigger boot and the aforementioned DIY attributes... I'll probably just enjoy the sound from the outside then (neighbour always has the latest RS3)...

chrislloyd81

61 posts

96 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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The front end reminds me of the bad boy bonnets you used to see back in the 90s. Jaguar and Mazda seem to be doing it too with the XF and MX5.

sh33n

194 posts

187 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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RS3 Saloon looked interesting there for a second, until I realised it's basically M3 money. Not far off the power of the standard M3 and perhaps quicker in real life, but still RS3 or M3? No contest imo.

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Onehp said:
aspirated said:
Anyone reckon the heavier saloon rear end and lighter engine up front might help with the understeer criticisms the Sportback suffered from?
I certainly recon so. Ideally I would like a manual and a handbrake too, but can't have it all now...
Still it will be twice the price of my four pot fwd mqb which has 80% of the horsepower and 90% of the weight and a bigger boot and the aforementioned DIY attributes... I'll probably just enjoy the sound from the outside then (neighbour always has the latest RS3)...
Improvements to weight distribution are welcome but until they modify the Haldex AWD to let it overspeed the rear axle, it's still going to be the weak link. - If the RS3 had something like the Mitsubishi Evo's AWD system, It'd be very, very interesting. As it is, I'd rather a Focus RS with a power boost.

Ollieb7

369 posts

198 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Beefmeister said:
Yeah man, totally. Because you've driven it, right?

Oh wait, you haven't?

So you're just spouting a load of tired cliches then?

Good good.
I had the hatch back so unless you are claiming a boot will make it significantly different I think I am quite qualified just like you with your experience of being jumped up by the looks.

Hope you have a nice day! :-D

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

230 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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New engine is 25kg lighter than the old one, saloon rear end adds more weight out the back. Audi engineer at Paris said that adds up to less understeer at the front and they could set it up with a far more aggressive turn in.

But yeah, you owned the last model so you know best.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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I think I may be in the minority here, but my understanding of the RS3 saloon, is not for it to be a track monster. I thought it was supposed to be a very fast, comfortable daily driver that was just as much at home in traffic and bumpy B-roads, as it was on a smooth open motorway??

In the same way that I wouldn't bemoan a Nintendo Wii for not being as good as a gaming PC...I mean, they both play games, right?

As a genuine potential customer, I can say right now that I would NOT buy the RS3 if it was a no-compromise, super-stiff, oversteering track machine....or looked like some chavved up effort like the Civic Type R. I'm here to tell you, that once you get past a certain age and 90% of your journeys are commuting; having a comfortable, well-built, smart-looking car that can rip a hole in the tarmac when you want to overtake, is really all you need from your daily driver.

And that's what this is supposed to be - a daily driver.