997 Running costs

997 Running costs

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jakesmith

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9,461 posts

171 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Selling my 997 today. Thought I'd post up my running costs out of interest...

High spec 997 C4S Cab, 55 plate, bought in 2012 with 2 previous owners & 33,000 miles for £35k
Selling 4 years later for £23250 to trade with 68,000 miles for £23,250

Cost of servicing repairs, maintenance @ indi garages = £9000 (includes new gearbox for £4k)
Stereo upgrade £2300 (less £400 for selling the old bits)
Non OPC Warranty extension £1500 (covered some of the above bills - maybe £3k worth)
Insurance £2.5k
Fuel £10k
New wheel swap £1k

Depreciation = 11,750
Maintenance inc. warranty = 10,500
Insurance, tax, MOT = 4,000
Wheels & stereo = 2,900
Fuel = 10,000
Total = £39,150

Or all in £815/month
Or £1.12 per mile

I've enjoyed it but it's not been hugely reliable although at least the engine has been fine with no oil usage or funny rattles etc. It's expensive isn't it. Although if I had leased a new BMW 330i or something for £500 a month it would have probably cost the same overall I guess

Can't imagine my new car will be any cheaper to run though... fancied a V8 before they are banned though!








Shaoxter

4,076 posts

124 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Hmm seems that non-OPC warranty was a bit useless then!
Congrats on the new car and would be keen to hear your opinions on it compared to the 911.

maxpaul

451 posts

204 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Hi
So the inspection went well?

ooid

4,088 posts

100 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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To be honest, for 4 years not too bad, considering the 997 gen1 engine risks out there! (Avoiding all other stff below like depreciation, cosmetics and fuel);

10.500 in 4 years, 2625 yearly maintenance budget. Monthly cost of 218.75, on 10 years old sports car? coffee

Depreciation = 11,750
Maintenance inc. warranty = 10,500
Insurance, tax, MOT = 4,000
& stereo = 2,900
Fuel = 10,000
Total = £39,150

PS: Would love to see the same comparison against V8 Vantage though, they seem to be more reliable at least?

Edited by ooid on Wednesday 19th October 10:26

Ape50

78 posts

151 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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what was wrong with the gearbox - I assume that was a warranty item ? Not sure the wheel swap and stereo upgrade count if you're considering running costs.

pete.g

1,527 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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maxpaul said:
Hi
So the inspection went well?
Even cars which pass inspections develop faults afterwards.



Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

143 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Ape50 said:
what was wrong with the gearbox - I assume that was a warranty item ? Not sure the wheel swap and stereo upgrade count if you're considering running costs.
Assume it wasn't a manual box.

ooid

4,088 posts

100 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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3.8 997 Carrera 4S, 2006-2007 with average 35kmiles usually going between 30-35k so I do not think your car depreciated a lot in the last 4 years! (given the gen1 horror stories out there, it's pretty good)

harleywilma

519 posts

243 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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jakesmith said:
Selling my 997 today. Thought I'd post up my running costs out of interest...

High spec 997 C4S Cab, 55 plate, bought in 2012 with 2 previous owners & 33,000 miles for £35k
Selling 4 years later for £23250 to trade with 68,000 miles for £23,250

Cost of servicing repairs, maintenance @ indi garages = £9000 (includes new gearbox for £4k)
Stereo upgrade £2300 (less £400 for selling the old bits)
Non OPC Warranty extension £1500 (covered some of the above bills - maybe £3k worth)
Insurance £2.5k
Fuel £10k
New wheel swap £1k

Depreciation = 11,750
Maintenance inc. warranty = 10,500
Insurance, tax, MOT = 4,000
Wheels & stereo = 2,900
Fuel = 10,000
Total = £39,150

Or all in £815/month
Or £1.12 per mile

I've enjoyed it but it's not been hugely reliable although at least the engine has been fine with no oil usage or funny rattles etc. It's expensive isn't it. Although if I had leased a new BMW 330i or something for £500 a month it would have probably cost the same overall I guess

Can't imagine my new car will be any cheaper to run though... fancied a V8 before they are banned though!





Sold my 997c4s x51 2007 tip 26,000mls. Did 3,000 miles in it =1 year.Bought 4 tyres,brake pads,front grill covers.millers oil and thermostat upgrade.Had a gearbox leak done under warranty.In the end got fed up with playing Russian roulette decided to sell as I wasn't confident in the car having long term reliability.Total cost including depreciation on car for year approx £3.500.Happy I sold it...

LordHaveMurci

12,042 posts

169 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Slickhillsy said:
Ape50 said:
what was wrong with the gearbox - I assume that was a warranty item ? Not sure the wheel swap and stereo upgrade count if you're considering running costs.
Assume it wasn't a manual box.
C4S Cab, I'd say that was a reasonable assumption.

jakesmith

Original Poster:

9,461 posts

171 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Hello
It was a manual box, when I got the car it had a bit of a grind from 5th to 6th so Northway fixed it, much later it developed a crunch from 3rd to 4th and I decided to replace the box for peace of mind. May have been my style + short shifter but after the new box went in I was much more careful with changes
The non-OPC warranty paid out well over it's cost to me, so it did pay for itself but didn't cover the box sadly

gibbon

2,182 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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ooid said:
To be honest, for 4 years not too bad, considering the 997 gen1 engine risks out there! (Avoiding all other stff below like depreciation, cosmetics and fuel);

10.500 in 4 years, 2625 yearly maintenance budget. Monthly cost of 218.75, on 10 years old sports car? coffee

Depreciation = 11,750
Maintenance inc. warranty = 10,500
Insurance, tax, MOT = 4,000
& stereo = 2,900
Fuel = 10,000
Total = £39,150

PS: Would love to see the same comparison against V8 Vantage though, they seem to be more reliable at least?

Edited by ooid on Wednesday 19th October 10:26
I can help with that, for what its worth, just sold mine, after 4 years. Sold to a dealer.

Bought for £35,300 four years ago. Sold now for £31 to a dealer. Bought at 27k miles, sold at 41k miles.

First year warranty included in sale from main dealer, no further warranty taken.

Services - £700, £700, £1200 (brakes), £1200 (brakes). £800 in extra work, wheel refurbs, etc.

4 years, £4600 maintenance, £4,300 depreciation. 14k miles.

£185 a month, or 63p mille plus fuel and insurance.

Insurance and tax £1100 a year, so £4400. 23mpg over 14k is about 600 gallons or 2700 litres at 115p roughly, is £3k give or take.

£17300 total, is £360 a month, of £1.24 a mile. Not totally sure of relevance of cost per mile as so mile dependent, i could have driven it a good bit more with not a great deal of effect on depreciation i would think.

Great car.




Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:41


Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:43

ooid

4,088 posts

100 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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That sounds great, thanks. Why did you sell it? Great cars indeed driving

gibbon

2,182 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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ooid said:
That sounds great, thanks. Why did you sell it? Great cars indeed driving
Mine was an early car, 2005. I just bought a 2012 Vantage, just wanted something newer / younger / lower mile / new car.

jakesmith

Original Poster:

9,461 posts

171 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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gibbon said:
I can help with that, for what its worth, just sold mine, after 4 years. Sold to a dealer.

Bought for £35,300 four years ago. Sold now for £31 to a dealer. Bought at 27k miles, sold at 41k miles.

First year warranty included in sale from main dealer, no further warranty taken.

Services - £700, £700, £1200 (brakes), £1200 (brakes). £800 in extra work, wheel refurbs, etc.

4 years, £4600 maintenance, £4,300 depreciation. 14k miles.

£185 a month, or 63p mille plus fuel and insurance.

Insurance and tax £1100 a year, so £4400. 23mpg over 14k is about 600 gallons or 2700 litres at 115p roughly, is £3k give or take.

£17300 total, is £360 a month, of £1.24 a mile. Not totally sure of relevance of cost per mile as so mile dependent, i could have driven it a good bit more with not a great deal of effect on depreciation i would think.

Great car.




Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:41


Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:43
£31k is a great trade in, what was the year / model? Can't have been much older than an 06/07 to have cost £35k to start with?
I only got £23k back for mine but it did have 68k miles. Mine was very high spec though & good condition.

gibbon

2,182 posts

207 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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jakesmith said:
gibbon said:
I can help with that, for what its worth, just sold mine, after 4 years. Sold to a dealer.

Bought for £35,300 four years ago. Sold now for £31 to a dealer. Bought at 27k miles, sold at 41k miles.

First year warranty included in sale from main dealer, no further warranty taken.

Services - £700, £700, £1200 (brakes), £1200 (brakes). £800 in extra work, wheel refurbs, etc.

4 years, £4600 maintenance, £4,300 depreciation. 14k miles.

£185 a month, or 63p mille plus fuel and insurance.

Insurance and tax £1100 a year, so £4400. 23mpg over 14k is about 600 gallons or 2700 litres at 115p roughly, is £3k give or take.

£17300 total, is £360 a month, of £1.24 a mile. Not totally sure of relevance of cost per mile as so mile dependent, i could have driven it a good bit more with not a great deal of effect on depreciation i would think.

Great car.




Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:41


Edited by gibbon on Wednesday 19th October 23:43
£31k is a great trade in, what was the year / model? Can't have been much older than an 06/07 to have cost £35k to start with?
I only got £23k back for mine but it did have 68k miles. Mine was very high spec though & good condition.
2005 v8 vantage.

jakesmith

Original Poster:

9,461 posts

171 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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gibbon said:
2005 v8 vantage.
Oh I didn't see your costs were for a Vantage. They are way more milage sensitive than the 997 though, at 70,000 miles it would retail at £29k you would probably get 24k for it from trade
Also if you had done more miles you may have needed a clutch which are eye-watering on the Vantage if memory serves, c. £3K with flywheel.